Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-28 Thread Bruce Evans
>> No. installworld more or less assumes single user. > >This is really what I'm getting at. :-) > >If installworld assumes single-user mode, why do we install -C >ld-elf.so.1 ? The first time I asked this question, I didn't mention >single-user mode and your answer was that it's to protect "live

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-28 Thread Zach Heilig
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 08:06:58PM +1100, Bruce Evans wrote: > Someday -C should avoid touching the file if possible, so that it > doesn't clobber the file's ctime and backups based on ctimes don't do > unnecessary work. This is possible if none of the attributes except > the file times would chan

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-28 Thread Bruce Evans
>> Why _not_ use -C? What is the point in replacing a file with the same file? >> install -C will replace the file if the new file is diffrent. > >Aaaah, thank you. I misread the manpage description of -C and didn't >notice "and the files are the same"... > >Cleared up, head back on straight.

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-28 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:42:03 CST, Zach Heilig wrote: > It does update the 'ctime' entry of ld-elf.so.1, so using 'find /usr > \! -ctime 1 -print' right after make world will find all the "old" > files. That's fine, then. I figured install -C wouldn't adjust ctime for files that hadn't changed.

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-28 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:34:30 +0100, Mattias Pantzare wrote: > Why _not_ use -C? What is the point in replacing a file with the same file? > install -C will replace the file if the new file is diffrent. Aaaah, thank you. I misread the manpage description of -C and didn't notice "and the fil

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-27 Thread Bruce Evans
>> If installworld assumes single-user mode, why do we install -C >> ld-elf.so.1 ? The first time I asked this question, I didn't mention >> ... >Why _not_ use -C? What is the point in replacing a file with the same file? >install -C will replace the file if the new file is diffrent. Plain insta

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-27 Thread Zach Heilig
On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 02:12:10PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:41:46 +1100, Bruce Evans wrote: > > So that ld-elf.so.1 can be installed safely on an active system. > I assume I should take your "installed safely" to mean "not installed"? It is not installed because the b

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-27 Thread Mattias Pantzare
> > No. installworld more or less assumes single user. > > This is really what I'm getting at. :-) > > If installworld assumes single-user mode, why do we install -C > ld-elf.so.1 ? The first time I asked this question, I didn't mention > single-user mode and your answer was that it's to protect

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-27 Thread David Wolfskill
>From: Sheldon Hearn >Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:13:49 +0200 >> I did note that, unlike the SNAP, the result had a /usr/libexec/ld.so; >Did you make your RELENG_3 world with or without -DNOAOUT? I don't think >/usr/libexec is created for a -DNOAOUT world. I've noticed this >particularly with jdk.

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-27 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:56:51 +1100, Bruce Evans wrote: > No. installworld more or less assumes single user. This is really what I'm getting at. :-) If installworld assumes single-user mode, why do we install -C ld-elf.so.1 ? The first time I asked this question, I didn't mention single-user m

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-27 Thread Bruce Evans
>> So that ld-elf.so.1 can be installed safely on an active system. > >I assume I should take your "installed safely" to mean "not installed"? I meant what I said. >Are there a lot of files that aren't installed for similar reasons >during an installworld? If there are, I'd be interested in heari

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-27 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:41:46 +1100, Bruce Evans wrote: > So that ld-elf.so.1 can be installed safely on an active system. I assume I should take your "installed safely" to mean "not installed"? Are there a lot of files that aren't installed for similar reasons during an installworld? If there

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-27 Thread Bruce Evans
>> Read the install(1) manpage, particularly the -C option. > >The question, though, is _why_ the need to use -C when installing >ld-elf.so.1? It's not flagged schg, from the looks of my box. So that ld-elf.so.1 can be installed safely on an active system. Plain install is braindamaged (doesn't gi

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-27 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:01:25 PST, Mike Smith wrote: > Read the install(1) manpage, particularly the -C option. The question, though, is _why_ the need to use -C when installing ld-elf.so.1? It's not flagged schg, from the looks of my box. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-27 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:51:05 PST, David Wolfskill wrote: > I did note that, unlike the SNAP, the result had a /usr/libexec/ld.so; Did you make your RELENG_3 world with or without -DNOAOUT? I don't think /usr/libexec is created for a -DNOAOUT world. I've noticed this particularly with jdk. Ciao

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-26 Thread Mike Smith
> > On the other hand, it seems that the /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 was *not* > modified by the "make world" process; I thought that odd. Read the install(1) manpage, particularly the -C option. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ m...@smith.ne

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-26 Thread David Wolfskill
>Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:25:37 -0500 (EST) >From: Daniel Aaron Meyer >Are the links in /usr/lib correct? They didnt get moved to /usr/lib/aout >when a make aout-to-elf was run?... In our case, I didn't do a "make aout-to-elf": I started with a system on which I installed the 3.0-SNAP of 1999

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-26 Thread Daniel Aaron Meyer
Are the links in /usr/lib correct? They didnt get moved to /usr/lib/aout when a make aout-to-elf was run? I believe this causes ypcat to display the maps, but ypmatch will not work. libcrypt.a -> libdescrypt.a libcrypt.so.2 -> libdescrypt.so.2 libcrypt_p.a -> libdescrypt_p.a --Dan On

Re: NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-26 Thread David Wolfskill
>From: Frank Bonnet >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:52:11 MET >I'm in trouble with NIS on a 3.0 client. >NIS is setup correctly ;-) >"ypcat" works well but NOT "ypmatch" ( for any map ) >The NIS master server is a HPUX 10.20 box which is >accessed by many UNIX clients ( HP and Sun ) without >probl

NIS with HPUX 10.20

1999-01-26 Thread Frank Bonnet
Hi I'm in trouble with NIS on a 3.0 client. NIS is setup correctly ;-) "ypcat" works well but NOT "ypmatch" ( for any map ) The NIS master server is a HPUX 10.20 box which is accessed by many UNIX clients ( HP and Sun ) without problem. Any idea ? TIA -- Frank Bonnet Groupe ESIEE Paris http