Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD

2002-11-22 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:29:54AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Ruslan Ermilov wrote: NetBSD builds a directory full of tools that you can later use to incrementally build, say, 'ls' or 'cat' because one can define USETOOLS to be 'yes' and have the make automatically pick them up when

Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD

2002-11-22 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 02:31:19PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: On 21-Nov-2002 Terry Lambert wrote: Ruslan Ermilov wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:10:14AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wilkinson,Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Is FreeBSD

Re: Why isn't NOCLEAN the default? (was: Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD)

2002-11-22 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 02:48:01PM -0800, David Schultz wrote: Thus spake Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have long wondered why NOCLEAN isn't the default. There seem to be a few cases where it doesn't DTRT for kernel builds, but it seems a bit conservative to make incremental world

Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD

2002-11-22 Thread John Baldwin
On 22-Nov-2002 Ruslan Ermilov wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 02:31:19PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: On 21-Nov-2002 Terry Lambert wrote: Ruslan Ermilov wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:10:14AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wilkinson,Alex

Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD

2002-11-22 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:57:44AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: On 22-Nov-2002 Ruslan Ermilov wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 02:31:19PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: On 21-Nov-2002 Terry Lambert wrote: Ruslan Ermilov wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:10:14AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote:

Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD

2002-11-21 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:10:14AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wilkinson,Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Is FreeBSD likely to follow the in footsteps of NetBSD and create a framework to do crossbuilds ? : :

Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD

2002-11-21 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ruslan Ermilov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:10:14AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: : In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Wilkinson,Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : Is FreeBSD likely to follow the in footsteps of NetBSD

Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD

2002-11-21 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:28:09AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ruslan Ermilov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:10:14AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: : In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Wilkinson,Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD

2002-11-21 Thread Terry Lambert
Ruslan Ermilov wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:10:14AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wilkinson,Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Is FreeBSD likely to follow the in footsteps of NetBSD and create : a framework to do crossbuilds ? : :

Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD

2002-11-21 Thread John Baldwin
On 21-Nov-2002 Terry Lambert wrote: Ruslan Ermilov wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:10:14AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wilkinson,Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Is FreeBSD likely to follow the in footsteps of NetBSD and create : a framework

Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD

2002-11-21 Thread Terry Lambert
Ruslan Ermilov wrote: NetBSD builds a directory full of tools that you can later use to incrementally build, say, 'ls' or 'cat' because one can define USETOOLS to be 'yes' and have the make automatically pick them up when rebuilding. There are a few of the details I'm a little unclear on,

Why isn't NOCLEAN the default? (was: Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD)

2002-11-21 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Make release is a very poor example b/c make release goes to great efforts to create a clean-room environment for a release. make rerelease is quite helpful though and does do what you want to restart a previous release. :) Also, make buildworld

Re: Why isn't NOCLEAN the default? (was: Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD)

2002-11-21 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 02:02:20PM -0800, David Schultz wrote: Thus spake John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Make release is a very poor example b/c make release goes to great efforts to create a clean-room environment for a release. make rerelease is quite helpful though and does do what you

Re: Why isn't NOCLEAN the default? (was: Re: Cross-Development with NetBSD)

2002-11-21 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have long wondered why NOCLEAN isn't the default. There seem to be a few cases where it doesn't DTRT for kernel builds, but it seems a bit conservative to make incremental world builds require that an undocumented variable be defined. Any