Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Olivier Smedts
2012/11/20 Paul Webster paul.g.webs...@googlemail.com: I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I believe the final decision was that to many users are used to the old style pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause to much confusion. But a change like this is

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Gary Palmer
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:43:04AM +0100, Olivier Smedts wrote: 2012/11/20 Paul Webster paul.g.webs...@googlemail.com: I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I believe the final decision was that to many users are used to the old style pf and an upgrade to the

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Olivier Smedts
2012/11/20 Gary Palmer gpal...@freebsd.org: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:43:04AM +0100, Olivier Smedts wrote: 2012/11/20 Paul Webster paul.g.webs...@googlemail.com: I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I believe the final decision was that to many users are used

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Fbsd8
Olivier Smedts wrote: 2012/11/20 Gary Palmer gpal...@freebsd.org: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:43:04AM +0100, Olivier Smedts wrote: 2012/11/20 Paul Webster paul.g.webs...@googlemail.com: I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I believe the final decision was that

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Rainer Duffner
Am Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:24:49 +0100 schrieb Olivier Smedts oliv...@gid0.org: Another question : how did OpenBSD managed this change ? AFAIK, their users are used to stuff just disappearing or changing. Remember that pf started as a replacement to ipf and the rulesets had to be rewritten

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread O. Hartmann
On 11/20/12 11:43, Olivier Smedts wrote: 2012/11/20 Paul Webster paul.g.webs...@googlemail.com: I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I believe the final decision was that to many users are used to the old style pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause to

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Chuck Burns
On 11/20/2012 10:27 AM, O. Hartmann wrote: On 11/20/12 11:43, Olivier Smedts wrote: 2012/11/20 Paul Webster paul.g.webs...@googlemail.com: I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I believe the final decision was that to many users are used to the old style pf and

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Aldis Berjoza
20.11.2012, 18:34, Chuck Burns brea...@gmail.com: On 11/20/2012 10:27 AM, O. Hartmann wrote:  On 11/20/12 11:43, Olivier Smedts wrote:  2012/11/20 Paul Webster paul.g.webs...@googlemail.com:  I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I  believe the final decision

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Chuck Burns
On 11/20/2012 10:52 AM, Aldis Berjoza wrote: 20.11.2012, 18:34, Chuck Burns brea...@gmail.com: On 11/20/2012 10:27 AM, O. Hartmann wrote: On 11/20/12 11:43, Olivier Smedts wrote: 2012/11/20 Paul Webster paul.g.webs...@googlemail.com: I am aware this is a much discussed subject since

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Eitan Adler
On 20 November 2012 12:47, Chuck Burns brea...@gmail.com wrote: Nonsense. More options are always preferable to fewer options. Even when those options must be maintained? Documented? Bug fixed? -- Eitan Adler ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Chuck Burns
On 11/20/2012 11:51 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: On 20 November 2012 12:47, Chuck Burns brea...@gmail.com wrote: Nonsense. More options are always preferable to fewer options. Even when those options must be maintained? Documented? Bug fixed? The ones who want the old pf can maintain it.. those

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Adam Vande More
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Chuck Burns brea...@gmail.com wrote: The ones who want the old pf can maintain it.. those who want the new one, can maintain *it*. This is beach front property on Fantasy Island. There isn't even enough manpower to sufficiently support one currently. --

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Gleb Smirnoff
Olivier, On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 01:24:49PM +0100, Olivier Smedts wrote: O The other question that I haven't seen answered (or maybe even asked), but O is relevant: what do we gain by going to a later version of pf? I.e. as an O administrator, what benefit do I get by having to expend

Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Gleb Smirnoff
Chuck, On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:33:11AM -0600, Chuck Burns wrote: C Why not release pf2 as a port? Then those who want the new pf can use C it, and those that want the old one can use it. C C Or, another option is a knob USE_NEWPF during buildworld will build the C new pf, otherwise it'd

Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-19 Thread Paul Webster
Forward notice: I sent this to freebsd-pf originally and did not CC -current, but as the issue would affect current and the more opinions the better... I have sent it here too. -- Cheers, daemon -- original message Good day all, I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the