Weird interaction between cvs and a recent kernel

2000-01-02 Thread Thierry Herbelot
Hello, I'm rebuilding my -Current box. it's been reinstalled anew from the FreeBSD 4.0-19991229-CURRENT snapshot. I have on another box the full repository of FreeBSD (source, ports, docs, ...) on another box, running 3.3-Stable and exporting the repository via NFS. I've tried to remake the

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
That sucks severely - NONE of the common units have the PPS output?! Barf. Oh well. -- -- Karl Denninger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Web: http://childrens-justice.org Isn't it time we started putting KIDS first? See the above URL for a plan to do exactly that! On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 05:42:24PM

several procmail jobs hang ...

2000-01-02 Thread Andreas Klemm
A few days ago I updated -current and build /usr/local completely new. One remaining problem is, that procmail jobs seems to hang. First it was a port problem, I installed some (for me) basic services in /home/local and procmail tried to call /usr/local/bin/formail. Now I recompiled procmail

Re: several procmail jobs hang ...

2000-01-02 Thread Andreas Klemm
Well, found out, that I don't have any problems using the previous version of procmail 3.13.1. So it's solved for me now. The remaining question is, is this a procmail 3.14 bug, or does the new procmail version introduce some new features in area where in -current is something wrong. Not easy

RE: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread David Schwartz
That sucks severely - NONE of the common units have the PPS output?! Barf. Oh well. Many of them do, but it's still not meant for precision timekeeping and the exact relationship between its PPS pulse edges and UTC's second boundaries may not be precisely specified. It's not a good

False alarm ? (was Re: Weird interaction between cvs and a recent kernel)

2000-01-02 Thread Thierry Herbelot
Bonsoir, Well, I don't remember indulging (Lagavulin, Glen Deveron, what else ...), but I'm stumped : I can't reproduce what I've seen : a full "cvs co" of the ports and src has been running ok till its normal end. more after some make world's TfH Thierry Herbelot wrote:

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : I will (as always) recommend the Motorola Oncore UT+. If you buy it We've also had excellent luck with the OEM version of the Oncore that we embed in our products. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 02:33:35PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl Denninger writes: : That's EXPENSIVE. Worth every penny. We've seen sub-micro second syncronization with our unit on good hardware, and 1-2us on the 486 based hardware. : Common handheld GPS

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Karl Denninger writes: Why spend twice what Mr. Schwartz seems to want to charge? For the Motorola name? Sorry, the Batwing Menace to employee's rights was long ago placed on my "do not buy, do not recommend, actively boycott" list. Well, suit your own political

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl Denninger writes: : Why spend twice what Mr. Schwartz seems to want to charge? Because we need a PPS that is 10nS from the true start of second for our application? 1uS is really really bad for the timing geeks in the audience. Warner To Unsubscribe: send

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 03:32:00PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl Denninger writes: : Why spend twice what Mr. Schwartz seems to want to charge? Because we need a PPS that is 10nS from the true start of second for our application? 1uS is really really bad for

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:17:00PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Karl Denninger writes: Why spend twice what Mr. Schwartz seems to want to charge? For the Motorola name? Sorry, the Batwing Menace to employee's rights was long ago placed on my "do not

tip features (cdelay and ldelay)?

2000-01-02 Thread Brian Dean
Hi, I have a couple of really dumb devices that I use 'tip' to talk to. One is a Motorola 6811 microcontroller and the other is an old EEPROM burner. I find that 'tip' overflows these devices when I'm sending Motorola s-record and Intel Hex formatted files. It looks like tip's 'cdelay' and

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 03:42:24PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl Denninger writes: : And on what hardware do you think you can obtain 10ns resolution RELIABLY : at the software level in the Unix environment and under FreeBSD? : : Answer: NONE! WRONG. :

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Karl Denninger writes: On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:17:00PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Karl Denninger writes: Why spend twice what Mr. Schwartz seems to want to charge? Well, suit your own political manifests as you will, but

latest version of threads library

2000-01-02 Thread Kip Macy
I would like to use the latest threads source because my application does not work correctly with the signal handling bugs in 3.x's threads. However, it does not appear that I can change it without replacing all of libc. Is this correct? Or is there some simple change I can make to the files in

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl Denninger writes: : Yes, you have HARDWARE timers that do that. : : So what? : : I'm talking about TIME SERVERS on UNIX machines. So am I. : You know, ntpd and friends? Yes, that. That's one of the things in our application. : Now explain to me how

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 03:50:35PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl Denninger writes: : Yes, you have HARDWARE timers that do that. : : So what? : : I'm talking about TIME SERVERS on UNIX machines. So am I. : You know, ntpd and friends? Yes, that.

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 04:53:55PM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:49:08PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: ..snip.. If you intend to keep up this "sour grapes" attitude, despite all the helpful answers you have gotten so far, you should consider stopping before you

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Chuck Robey
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: If you intend to keep up this "sour grapes" attitude, despite all the helpful answers you have gotten so far, you should consider stopping before you have worn out your welcome. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 03:13:10PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 04:53:55PM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:49:08PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: ..snip.. If you intend to keep up this "sour grapes" attitude, despite all the helpful

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 06:17:59PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: If you intend to keep up this "sour grapes" attitude, despite all the helpful answers you have gotten so far, you should consider stopping before you have worn out your welcome.

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: Why the hell Walnut Creek wastes their money on your type REMAINS beyond my comprehension. It really hasn't been a problem for anyone but you. It's more successful, then say, alternative top level domain projects that have gone nowhere. -- - bill

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 06:37:31PM -0500, Bill Fumerola wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: How many millions does Paol have to count in HIS bank as a result of this shilling and "advocacy"? SOME OF US have *REAL* successes to point to - not just bullshit pats on the

HEADS-UP newppbus for beta-testing

2000-01-02 Thread Nicolas Souchu
Hi there! FOR ANYBODY THAT USES ZIP/PRINTER/PLIP ON THE PARALLEL PORT UNDER -current A major ppbus(4) release is available for beta-testing. It includes the port of the ppbus framework to the newbus system. http://www.freebsd.org/~nsouch/ppbus.html provides usefull notes about the

[Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results: which]

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
Oh, so the treehouse maggots continue to fester, eh? Nice move shitheads. Do you intend to continue? Consider this forwarded to Steve, a withdrawal of my port, and notice of my intent to post it along with a transcript on my web page for HomeDaemon. Who is the two-bit-peckerhead who removed

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Warner Losh
Karl, I was my hands of this conversation. You aren't listening. We have custom hardware. We're a control and measurement system. The 10ns is needed for that control and measurement part. The sync we get of the system clock, like I said before, is on the order of a few hundred ns on pentium

Re: [Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results:

2000-01-02 Thread dev-null
In all the years I've known you, Karl, you've always thought you were so far above everyone else. Apparently, you get off on treating people like shit. Go away, we don't need your "contributions" here... I'm not sure we ever did. -- This message has been sent via an anonymous mail relay at

Re: [Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results: which]

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
Doesn't change the facts Gary. This isn't the first time either Gary. Plausable deniability isn't going to wash here. -- -- Karl Denninger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Web: http://childrens-justice.org Isn't it time we started putting KIDS first? See the above URL for a plan to do exactly that! On

Re: [Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results: which]

2000-01-02 Thread Kip Macy
Any pointers to web pages on setting up a killfile? The signal to noise ratio on this list is dropping rapidly. -Kip To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: One final note and a bite me to you

2000-01-02 Thread Kip Macy
Grow up. -Kip On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: Just for those of you who think this whole "magical unsubscribe" is a "fluke"; All unsubscribes and subscribes to FreeBSD's lists must be authenticated. Majordomo is set to confirm all

Re: 2 hours to compile mysql?

2000-01-02 Thread Stephan van Beerschoten
On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 01:32:19PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: The box is a 333MHz PII, with 64M ram. Do I just need more ram to be able to compile in reasonable time, or is something broken? You probably need more RAM. sql_yacc.cc is one of those "worst-case" programs as far as gcc is

RE: One final note and a bite me to you

2000-01-02 Thread Will Andrews
On 03-Jan-00 Karl Denninger wrote: Just for those of you who think this whole "magical unsubscribe" is a "fluke"; All unsubscribes and subscribes to FreeBSD's lists must be authenticated. Majordomo is set to confirm all transactions. It is still possible for Majordomo to

Re: One final note and a bite me to you

2000-01-02 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: Just for those of you who think this whole "magical unsubscribe" is a "fluke"; This does not involve any of the rest of the list subscribers, and I'm sure the majority of us don't really want to see EITHER side's rantings. Really, grow up. If you

Karl's day off

2000-01-02 Thread Chuck Robey
OK, enough of this, let Karl be on his own for a while. Stop responding, Karl's too mad to think clearly, and you guys are just baiting him. Anyone responding is asking for addition to the kill-file. I already posted this to ports, where the other part of this has unfortunately spilled into.

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 06:08:31PM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: As for whoever the person is who force-removed me from the list, trust me on this - I won't forget that act, and until you're identified and permanently removed from both the list and the entire project you'll have no

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 05:44:57PM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: sarcasm We can point to the Internet's evolution of these "treehouse" organizations and show off how PROUD we are of them and those who support them. Let's start a nice short list, shall we? Network Solutions. ARIN.

Re: One final note and a bite me to you

2000-01-02 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: Theo was right in splitting off from you folks. I should have followed him a couple of years ago and done my own split. Now, its simply not worth it. Not that you'll listen, but: OpenBSD split from NetBSD. FreeBSD is and always has been a

Re: One final note and a bite me to you

2000-01-02 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: Just for those of you who think this whole "magical unsubscribe" is a "fluke"; I run/maintain the PostgreSQL mailing lists ... there is a piece of software that you can "add on" called bouncefilter that auto-unsubscribes based on various criteria ...

RE: One final note and a bite me to you

2000-01-02 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Will Andrews wrote: Theo split from NetBSD. Again, further ignorance. I suggest you sit down with a copy of /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree and read a little history that you seem to have missed. Cool, I never even knew that was there...now I have something to look at

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Amancio Hasty
I have to say that PHK has become the MASTER at pissing people off, ensuring that his opponent goes the deep end and staying calm so the blame obviously does not fall on him. Got to admit his formula is very very nice 8) By a long shot the problem is NOT Karl. It takes at least TWO to engage

Re: latest version of threads library

2000-01-02 Thread Kip Macy
Do you know what the timeline is on this integration? -Kip On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Daniel Eischen wrote: Kip Macy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for sending this again but when I first sent it -current was embroiled in a flame war. I would like to

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread David Greenman
Someone logged into HUB the EDITED me out of the CURRENT mailing list. As near as I can tell, noone with the ability to su was logged into hub earlier today when you claim that you were removed. As far as I know, noone had removed you. I have not seen any messages (other than your claim) or

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Tony Maher
I have to say that PHK has become the MASTER at pissing people off, ensuring that his opponent goes the deep end and staying calm so the blame obviously does not fall on him. Got to admit his formula is very very nice 8) I dont think so. Whatever PHK may or may not have done in the past

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread David Greenman
I have to say that PHK has become the MASTER at pissing people off, ensuring that his opponent goes the deep end and staying calm so the blame obviously does not fall on him. Got to admit his formula is very very nice 8) By a long shot the problem is NOT Karl. It takes at least TWO to engage

Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread dev-null
Congratulations, Karl. You just proven to the world what a complete asshole you really are. Now get out of here. We don't want you. -- This message has been sent via an anonymous mail relay at www.no-id.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Kenneth Wayne Culver
Alright, that was childish and uncalled for. People need to learn to deal with these kinds of things differently. = | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around.| | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726

Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread ----
He is just expressing his point. From what I can tell someone removed him from the list with no reason and now he is angry. I probably would be too. Also, I can tell that someone is doing some good covering up. Its ashame to see leaders do this. Sam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Chuck Robey
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Amancio Hasty wrote: I have to say that PHK has become the MASTER at pissing people off, ensuring that his opponent goes the deep end and staying calm so the blame obviously does not fall on him. Got to admit his formula is very very nice 8) By a long shot the

The mails from dev-null

2000-01-02 Thread Chuck Robey
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations, Karl. You just proven to the world what a complete asshole you really are. Now get out of here. We don't want you. Will whoever this is, please stop? There is no valid reason for anonymity here (and to be honest, in this

Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Sascha Schumann
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 09:59:28PM -0600, wrote: He is just expressing his point. From what I can tell someone removed him from the list with no reason and now he is angry. I probably would be too. That does not excuse his style of communication. Shouting and calling people names

Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Manfred Antar
At 08:20 PM 1/2/00 -0800, David Greenman wrote: He is just expressing his point. From what I can tell someone removed him from the list with no reason and now he is angry. I probably would be too. That is not at all what happend. Karl went off the deep end about phk recommending a Motorola

Re: new PCM problems

2000-01-02 Thread Brian Fundakowski Feldman
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: OK, there is still the static problem with the pcm driver with a ViBRA16X soundcard. It also seems that the problem with xmms's analyzer is gone. However, now whenever a sound that is shorter than roughly 1 second or so plays, it gets cut

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Amancio Hasty
Hi David, My post is not really based upon the last Karl vs. Pohl thread. It is more on what I have observed quietly over the last few months . If the behavior is left unchecked you can rest assure that their will be more flares up. Again, to have waited for Karl to cool off is not that

Re: [Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results: which]

2000-01-02 Thread Brian Fundakowski Feldman
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Kip Macy wrote: Any pointers to web pages on setting up a killfile? The signal to noise ratio on this list is dropping rapidly. I haven't done it myself, but I know that you can read some of the documentation for procmail (/usr/ports/mail/procmail) and easily forward

Re: new PCM problems

2000-01-02 Thread Kenneth Wayne Culver
Thanks. I would've tried to fix it myself, but I am not too familiar with programming for a soundcard. I'm only famaliar with the ata driver right now. = | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around.| | Unix

FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE hardware specs, advice/experience requested

2000-01-02 Thread Nathan Kinsman
Howdy all, I'm putting together some specs for a type of firewall appliance using the eventual released version of FreeBSD 4 (targeting 4.x because I need GCC 2.95.x as core compiler). My current machine specs use the following hardware which I am not yet sure will be well supported. FIC

Re: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE hardware specs, advice/experience requested

2000-01-02 Thread Mike Smith
I'm putting together some specs for a type of firewall appliance using the eventual released version of FreeBSD 4 (targeting 4.x because I need GCC 2.95.x as core compiler). My current machine specs use the following hardware which I am not yet sure will be well supported. FIC PAG-2130

Re: SUBMIT: compat.linux.pathmunge

2000-01-02 Thread Doug White
I'm bringing this back up to -current to kick around some more. We may want to move it to -emulators. On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: This isn't intended as a 'final solution' :-) The problem is *very* difficult since you're asking the syscall to intuit what the user/program

Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Matthew Dillon
-- enters stage right ... opens door ... heyy a party! And nobody invited me! U, Why's the piano broken in two and all the tables overturned? Ahhh, whats with all the stares? guys? Guys! exits stage

Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Chuck Robey
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Matthew Dillon wrote: -- enters stage right ... opens door ... heyy a party! And nobody invited me! U, Why's the piano broken in two and all the tables overturned? Ahhh, whats with all the stares? guys?

Mr Denninger has a problem

2000-01-02 Thread Richard Sather
will somebody filter Mr Denninger from the list his postings are beginning to to irritate and look more and more like the ravings of an offensive lunatic who drank too much methanol during new years celebrations To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current"

Re: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE hardware specs, advice/experience requested

2000-01-02 Thread Nathan Kinsman
Mike Smith wrote: I'm putting together some specs for a type of firewall appliance using the eventual released version of FreeBSD 4 (targeting 4.x because I need GCC 2.95.x as core compiler). My current machine specs use the following hardware which I am not yet sure will be well

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami
* From: Karl Denninger [EMAIL PROTECTED] rant Wow, that was good! I'm going to nominate this for "this century's most amusing message on the FreeBSD lists" award. :) Satoshi "you can figure out which century I'm talking about" Asami To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Mr Denninger

2000-01-02 Thread dev-null
Oh, I think he douched with a molatov cocktail, after his boyfriend fisted him. will somebody filter Mr Denninger from the list his postings are beginning to to irritate and look more and more like the ravings of an offensive lunatic who drank too much methanol during new years celebrations