Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:12:34 -0700 Brooks Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does CURRENT support journaled filesystem ? There are not journaling file systems in current at this time. Efforts to port both xfs and jfs are underway. We have something better than those. SoftUpdates. Much

ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Mark Murray
Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn Index: etc.alpha/ttys

Re: Who broke sort(1) ?

2002-09-26 Thread Nick Hilliard
It's not like people didn't have nine years' advance warning to fix their scripts. When's the first time the FreeBSD sort(1) man page mentioned that this syntax was deprecated? Can we at least start from there? The man page in 4.x notes that -k is an alternative rather than the

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Marcin Cieslak
Are old-style non-F11, F12 keyboards still working with FreeBSD? -- Marcin Cieslak // [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg43424/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Mark Murray
Are old-style non-F11, F12 keyboards still working with=20 FreeBSD? I don't know, but as those are in the vast minority, its perhaps OK to ask those folks to edit ttys to something more useful to them, rather than the other way round. :-) M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_Warning: this

alpha tinderbox failure

2002-09-26 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
-- Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- stage 1: bootstrap tools -- stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

Re: troubles with recent -current

2002-09-26 Thread Darren Henderson
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Mikhail Teterin wrote: : Attempts to shutdown gracefully result in panic -- negative refcount in vnrele (vfrele?) in vnclose() called from vnclosefile() -- can not be more precise without the serial console and another machine. Same here. cvsup'd this afternoon. sc

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 10:22:15AM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? Greedy VTY monster (cf. etc.i386/ttys,v 1.4). :-) Cheers, -- Ruslan

Re: VFS panic is now fixed.

2002-09-26 Thread Danny Braniss
The VFS panic that was introduced in my recent commits has been fixed. I accidentally commited extra stuff from my tree that was not entirely correct. i just cvs'ed. i'm getting: panic: vn_finished_write: neg cnt danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

R e: VFS panic is now fixed.

2002-09-26 Thread Danny Braniss
if this is of any help: panic: vn_finished_write: neg cnt Debugger(panic) Stopped at Debugger+0x54: xchgl %ebx,in_Debugger.0 db trace Debugger(c04b2d1c,c05664e0,c04bcd6b,cb4607d8,1) at Debugger+0x54 panic(c04bcd6b,cb46082c,c0325417,c05298e0,0) at panic+0xab

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Robert Watson
If you do make this change, make sure it's carefully documented in the release notes. Otherwise we're going to get a lot of surprised I can no longer get back to my X server after I switch away from it's. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects [EMAIL PROTECTED]

X crashes gone?

2002-09-26 Thread walt
For the last week or so all I had to do to crash the X server was to reboot the machine and fire up X with gnome. The first attempt after a reboot always produced the 'Big Bezier' crash for me. Starting with last night's cvsup I've not seen any more of those crashes. Anyone else notice a

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Kenneth Culver
This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram I usually keep F1-F3 as ttys, and make F4 run kdm. I know I don't really have a say, but I'm sure everyone has his or her

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Mark Murray
This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram I usually keep F1-F3 as ttys, and make F4 run kdm. I know I don't really have a say, but I'm sure everyone has his or

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Makoto Matsushita
culverk This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one culverk don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch culverk of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram Seconded. Two ttys are enough for me. Many getty(8) processes usually waste our process table

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 02:50:20PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram I usually keep F1-F3 as ttys, and make F4 run kdm. I

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Adrian Mugnolo
The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? I do the opposite, and turn off five vty's to get just three [job control works for me]. -- IMHO a personal like/dislike shouldn't be a reason to

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Mark Murray writes: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? I object. Most of my machines are headless without video cards and use a serial console. With devfs this means

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Gallatin w rites: Mark Murray writes: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? I object. Most of my machines are headless without video

RE: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Sep-2002 Mark Murray wrote: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? Yep. I think it's best just to leave things as they are. I pretty much have Alt-F9 hardcoded into my

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Sep-2002 Mark Murray wrote: Are old-style non-F11, F12 keyboards still working with=20 FreeBSD? I don't know, but as those are in the vast minority, its perhaps OK to ask those folks to edit ttys to something more useful to them, rather than the other way round. :-) If you add up

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Sep-2002 Steve Kargl wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 02:50:20PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram I usually keep

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Guezou Philippe
Mark Murray writes: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? I object. Most of my machines are headless without video cards and use a serial console. With

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 11:08:41AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: On 26-Sep-2002 Steve Kargl wrote: I agree with Ken that this is a personal preference thingie. I have X tied to F8. There is no real reason for this choice other than inertia. I suspect people who use mergemaster

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Sep-2002 Andrew Gallatin wrote: Mark Murray writes: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? I object. Most of my machines are headless without video

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Claus Assmann
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002, Alexander Leidinger wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:12:34 -0700 Brooks Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does CURRENT support journaled filesystem ? There are not journaling file systems in current at this time. Efforts to port both xfs and jfs are underway.

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:52:18 -0500 Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have something better than those. SoftUpdates. Much faster than jfs in metadata intensive operations. If you can stand the 20 minutes of severly degraded performance while the background fsck runs after a crash,

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Takahashi Yoshihiro
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? PC-98x1 keyboards have only ten function keys. So, it is impossible to use F11

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Sep 26), Alexander Leidinger said: On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:12:34 -0700 Brooks Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does CURRENT support journaled filesystem ? There are not journaling file systems in current at this time. Efforts to port both xfs and jfs are underway.

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Terry Lambert
Claus Assmann wrote: Does CURRENT support journaled filesystem ? There are not journaling file systems in current at this time. Efforts to port both xfs and jfs are underway. We have something better than those. SoftUpdates. Much faster than jfs in metadata intensive

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread David Malone
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 10:36:27AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: I think that what you were probably testing was directory entry layout and O(N) (linear) vs. O(log2(N)+1) search times for both non-existant entries on creates, and for any entry on lookup ( / 2 on lookup) . Though dirhash should

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Terry Lambert
David Malone wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 10:36:27AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: I think that what you were probably testing was directory entry layout and O(N) (linear) vs. O(log2(N)+1) search times for both non-existant entries on creates, and for any entry on lookup ( / 2 on lookup)

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread David Malone
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 10:36:27AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: I think that what you were probably testing was directory entry layout and O(N) (linear) vs. O(log2(N)+1) search times for both non-existant entries on creates, and for any entry on lookup ( / 2 on lookup) . Though

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Claus Assmann
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Claus Assmann wrote: When we tested several filesystems for mailservers (to store the mail queue), JFS and ext3 (in journal mode) beat UFS with softupdates by about a factor of 2. Hi Claus! Nice to hear from someone who actually tests things!

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Zhihui Zhang
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Claus Assmann wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Claus Assmann wrote: When we tested several filesystems for mailservers (to store the mail queue), JFS and ext3 (in journal mode) beat UFS with softupdates by about a factor of 2. Hi Claus!

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Scott Dodson
I've been having loads of problems with the bg-fsck. After recovering from a crash/power failure my machine will boot and start the check. If there's moderate activity during the time its checking it will panic and reboot, getting stuck in a loop most of the time. I've not seen anyone mention

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Terry Lambert
David Malone wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 10:36:27AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: I think that what you were probably testing was directory entry layout and O(N) (linear) vs. O(log2(N)+1) search times for both non-existant entries on creates, and for any entry on lookup ( / 2

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:36:27 -0700 Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, journalling and Soft Updates are totally orthogonal technologies, just as btree and linear directory structures are two orthogonal things. Journalling has advantages that a non-journalling FS with soft

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:54:00 -0400 Scott Dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been having loads of problems with the bg-fsck. After recovering from a crash/power failure my machine will boot and start the check. If there's moderate activity during the time its checking it will panic and

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Terry Lambert
Claus Assmann wrote: [ ... out of order answer, not related to main topic ... ] Per domain doesn't work easily if you have multiple recipients. Anyway, the new design clearly distinguishes between the content files and the data that is necessary for delivery. Actually, it works fine, since it

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Matthias Schuendehuette
Terry Lambert wrote: Yes, soft updates does nothing of user data, it is a metadata technology. Journalling is implementation dependent; not all JFS implementations will journal data which is not metadata, so your results would depend on the JFS. I think you are not correct here. If I

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2002-09-26 14:50, Mark Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram I usually keep F1-F3 as ttys, and make F4 run kdm. I

IBM microdrive

2002-09-26 Thread Tomi Vainio - Sun Finland -
Is anyone using IBM microdrive with latest current? Should it work? My laptop is Toshiba CT3440 running current cvsupped last weekend. My Cisco Aironet and Linksys network cards are working just fine with this new card concept. pccard0: Allocation failed for cfe 0 ata2 at port 0x100-0x10f irq

NIC not found

2002-09-26 Thread Bob Bomar
I am doing an ftp install for -current. I pulled the kern.flp and mfsroot.flp from 5.0-CURRENT-20020917-JPSNAP. When I went to select the media, I found the my Intel NIC was not found. 4.7-RC found the card: fxp0: Intel Pro/100 Ethernet port 0xe000-0xe03f mem

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 10:22 AM +0100 9/26/02, Mark Murray wrote: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? I think the we will have more users who are hurt (or at least annoyed) by moving X, then we have

alpha tinderbox failure

2002-09-26 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
-- Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- stage 1: bootstrap tools -- stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

Re: alpha tinderbox failure

2002-09-26 Thread Nate Lawson
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: -- Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- stage 1: bootstrap tools

Re: alpha tinderbox failure

2002-09-26 Thread Peter Wemm
Nate Lawson wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: -- Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- stage 1: bootstrap tools

make buildworld

2002-09-26 Thread wsk
hi all i get the follow error mesgs when i make builword after cvsup my current ,and i found the sendmail as the same. btxld -v -E 0x1000 -f bin -b /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/../btx/btx/btx -l boot2.ldr -o boot2.ld -P 1 boot2.bin btxld: Cannot allocate memory *** Error code 2 Stop

$60,000,000 IN 6 MONTHS! VERIFIABLE! CHEAT-PROOF!

2002-09-26 Thread nharlan
MY PERSONAL GOAL IS TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT YOU RECEIVE $60,000,000 IN 6 MONTHS OR LESS! FACT #1 Those who get in on a proven successful program at it's birth are guaranteed success! FACT #2 THE UP WAS JUST BORN! YOU ARE AT YOUR DREAM LOCATION! THIS IT IT! * JUST LAUNCHED! *YOU CANNOT LOSE! *WE

Re: R e: VFS panic is now fixed.

2002-09-26 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Danny Braniss wrote: if this is of any help: panic: vn_finished_write: neg cnt Debugger(panic) Stopped at Debugger+0x54: xchgl %ebx,in_Debugger.0 db trace Debugger(c04b2d1c,c05664e0,c04bcd6b,cb4607d8,1) at Debugger+0x54

Re: make buildworld

2002-09-26 Thread Nate Lawson
I had this problem on my box when libc and the kernel got out of sync. I solved it with: cd /usr/src/libc; make all install -Nate On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, wsk wrote: hi all i get the follow error mesgs when i make builword after cvsup my current ,and i found the sendmail as the same.

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 09:13:41PM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Yes, bg-fsck isn't really usable at the moment. They work fine for me for quite a while. The last buildworld on my server was Sept 15th. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the

Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT

2002-09-26 Thread Claus Assmann
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002, Zhihui Zhang wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Claus Assmann wrote: If someone is interested: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/sm-9-rfh.html Just as a small data point: I get message acceptance rates of 400msgs/s on a journalling file system (using a normal PC) that

Re: alpha tinderbox failure

2002-09-26 Thread Nate Lawson
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Peter Wemm wrote: Nate Lawson wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Kernel build for LINT started on Thu Sep 26 15:50:41 PDT 2002 -- === vinum cc1: warnings being treated as errors

moused problem

2002-09-26 Thread walt
While trying to debug a small mouse misbehavior I discovered that the /etc/rc.d/moused script doesn't work correctly. It starts the moused properly but when I type '/etc/rc.d/moused stop' it says 'moused not running?' and leaves moused running. Anyone else see this? To Unsubscribe: send mail

cant find libc.so.4

2002-09-26 Thread SweeTLeaF
Hello freebsd-current, I just downloaded the 5.0 DP1 iso and have some questions. First i noticed the pkg_add ...via ftp is broken as it does not want to use the tbz packages even with the -r flag. Is this a bug being fixed for the new format .tbz or is freebsd going to revert back to