Re: RFC: DTrace probes for debugging or testing in userland programs

2016-12-19 Thread Jordan Hubbard
> On Dec 19, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > So although I like the sentiment, I don't think using dtrace for > program logging is the right answer. I like what apple did to wrap > the program logging stuff so people didn't just write their own > libraries

Re: how to reduce the size of /usr/share/i18n data?

2016-11-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:56 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > > Is the depressing thing here that even something as recent as 386BSD 0.1 > assumed that ASCII was enough for the whole world? “Recent??” :-D ___

Re: FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report - First Quarter 2016 (fwd)

2016-05-02 Thread Jordan Hubbard
> On May 1, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Warren Block wrote: > > The first quarter of 2016 showed that FreeBSD retains a strong sense of > ipseity. Improvements were pervasive, lending credence to the concept > of meliorism. [ … ] I, for one, learned at least 4 new words in that

Re: FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report - Second Quarter 2015

2015-07-29 Thread Jordan Hubbard
On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Willem Jan Withagen w...@digiware.nl wrote: You have any idea what is/was actual the hardware that was in the box? If I remember correctly we gave Jordan a check for like 5000 guilders. Which I guess would be 2500 us$ at that time. Which was not an enormous

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-02 Thread Jordan Hubbard
On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote: I have Macs at work (typing on one now), and a mac at home. I like them. [ … ] It’s just like being back in the 80s, when Unix had a desktop market, only much, much faster. Worry not, there’s a product just for you now!

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-02 Thread Jordan Hubbard
On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:33 PM, Person, Roderick perso...@upmc.edu wrote: Why aren't all the nerds and small businesses out there a market? Too few of you to justify the capital outlay. Now, if we were talking about a $1500 watch that was very nerdy and appealed to the inner James Bond in lots

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-02 Thread Jordan Hubbard
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Matt Olander m...@ixsystems.com wrote: This is like trying to predict automobile technology and dominant car-makers by 1905. There's always room for competition. Take a look at what's happening right now in the auto-industry. Tesla came out of nowhere 125 years

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Jordan Hubbard
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the Linux desktop and start to rip out the pieces of the OS not needed for server or embedded use.

Re: ZFS txg implementation flaw

2013-10-28 Thread Jordan Hubbard
On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:28 AM, Slawa Olhovchenkov s...@zxy.spb.ru wrote: As I see ZFS cretate seperate thread for earch txg writing. Also for writing to L2ARC. As result -- up to several thousands threads created and destoyed per second. And hundreds thousands page allocations, zeroing, maping

Re: current.freebsd.org down?

2002-02-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
This is a different problem. The stable.freebsd.org machine, on which all the really big NFS storage lives, failed to come back up from a reboot last night and I'm trying to get it restarted now. The terminal server also appears to be sick or I'd be able to intervene remotely. :( - Jordan

Re: anon ftp access at current

2002-02-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
No, the NFS server it depends on is down. Still working on getting it back up. I am trying to install one of the -current snapshots, but current.freebsd.org doesn't seem to want to let me log in as anonymous (some problem saying it cannot set guest access). Has the procedure changed to

Re: anon ftp access at current

2002-02-09 Thread Jordan Hubbard
No, the NFS server it depends on is down. Still working on getting it back up. I am trying to install one of the -current snapshots, but current.freebsd.org doesn't seem to want to let me log in as anonymous (some problem saying it cannot set guest access). Has the procedure changed to

Re: current.freebsd.org down?

2002-02-07 Thread Jordan Hubbard
This is a different problem. The stable.freebsd.org machine, on which all the really big NFS storage lives, failed to come back up from a reboot last night and I'm trying to get it restarted now. The terminal server also appears to be sick or I'd be able to intervene remotely. :( - Jordan

Re: Motion for removal of xargs(1) from base system

2001-12-10 Thread Jordan Hubbard
My, is it April 1st already? How quickly time flies! December feels like it was just yesterday! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: PATCH: sysinstall to remove userconfig code

2001-11-29 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Looks good to me, I'd say commit it! - Jordan dsyphers DEBUG: kget: error buffer sizing matusita This is because sysinstall still want to get userconfig data matusita and put the result to /boot/kernel.conf. Userconfig was gone in 5-current, so we can safely remove kget() from

Re: PATCH: sysinstall to remove userconfig code

2001-11-29 Thread Jordan Hubbard
BTW, how dou you think my other patch (use 'devfs' while mounting filesystems, use fsck_ffs instead of fsck) for sysinstall, which was posted about a week before to [EMAIL PROTECTED]? You can fetch from: URL:http://people.freebsd.org/~matusita/5.0-CURRENT-20011121-JPSNAP_usedevfs /patch

Re: PATCH: sysinstall to remove userconfig code

2001-11-15 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I don't know -current. what is the feature which replace kget ? There is none. does boot -c (or whatever) still exists ? is it possible to edit KERNEL.hints at boot time ? No. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the

Re: kern.flp blown out again

2001-10-12 Thread Jordan Hubbard
If you mean what I mean, that guy was Polish, and that stuff still sits in the tree: Yeah, that was it, sorry - I'm always getting Germany and Poland mixed up! No, not really, please don't hit! ;) That's cool - I should look at this. A perfect excuse to pick up forth again, I think. -

current.freebsd.org successfully building snapshots again

2001-10-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
drwxr-xr-x 20 root wheel 1024 Oct 11 22:17 5.0-20011011-CURRENT Come 'n get it. No warrantees stated or implied as to how far these bits get you after you transfer them, of course. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of

Re: For your amusement..

2001-10-08 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Amusement? Excitement you mean! :-) That's REALLY a significant milestone and the IA-64 is by no means a simple architecture to come to grips with. My hat is off (yet again) to Doug! I think that makes two 64 bit architecture ports he's now had a lot to do with. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe:

Re: current install failure

2001-10-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
As you've already noticed, sysinstall basically tries to create the device nodes it needs under the old assumption that /dev will be mostly empty. Now that devfs is the default, phk needs to update libdisk so that it doesn't attempt to make the device nodes in this way. Fortunately, the person

Re: current install failure

2001-10-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
sysinstall, by design, knows very little about devices. It uses libdisk(3) as the abstraction for dealing with all disks in particular. * Jordan Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [011003 15:33] wrote: As you've already noticed, sysinstall basically tries to create the device nodes it needs under

Re: current install failure

2001-10-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:12:21 -0500 * Jordan Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [011003 15:33] wrote: As you've already noticed, sysinstall basically tries to create the device nodes it needs under the old assumption that /dev will be mostly empty. Now that devfs is the default, phk needs

reinstatement of MSDOSFS on boot floppy fails

2001-10-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
sh -e /usr/src/release/scripts/doFS.sh /R/stage/floppies/kern.flp /R/stage /mnt 1440 /R/stage/image.kern 8 fd1440 disklabel: ioctl DIOCWLABEL: Operation not supported by device Warning: Block size restricts cylinders per group to 6. Warning: 1216 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated

Re: reinstatement of MSDOSFS on boot floppy fails

2001-10-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Sure, I just don't have time to work on this right now. - jordan D'ya think it might be time for a 3rd floppy? On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: sh -e /usr/src/release/scripts/doFS.sh /R/stage/floppies/kern.flp /R/stage /mnt 1440 /R/stage/image.kern 8 fd1440

Re: NIS client performance seems very poor under network load

2001-09-28 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Maybe I keep pushing on this issue because there have been times in the past where FreeBSD has been prepared to pay programmers to write critical project progressing pieces of code. Well if that's your rationale then you can stop pushing because I can state categorically that FreeBSD doesn't

Re: NIS client performance seems very poor under network load

2001-09-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Progress in these types of situations nearly always comes from people with enough self-interest in the problem area to actually commit to working on it. Rather than asking for people who have written an autofsd to step forward, why not instead start working on this project yourselves and ask for

Re: ~/.login_conf disabling exact reasons wanted

2001-09-22 Thread Jordan Hubbard
The bug doesn't exist in 4.4 either. It was fixed prior to release. Doesn't anyone read commit mail anymore?! :-( - Jordan Thus spake Andrey A. Chernov ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Please, read me carefully. This bug not exist in -current, where it is disabled by mistake via commit I complain.

kern.flp blown out again

2001-09-13 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I don't know what the KSE commit added (or if it was even anything more than bad timing), but we've hit the limit on the kernel floppy again (x86): Setting up /boot directory for kern floppy /R/stage/image.kern/kernel: 53.9% -- replaced with /R/stage/image.kern/kern el.gz sh -e

Re: kern.flp blown out again

2001-09-13 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Hm. Isn't this a strong sign that something fundamental must be done about the boot floppy process? Alpha has been suffering from this longer already due to the bigger binaries. Hey, be my guest, just so long as we can install from whatever you come up with. :-) Seriously, the fact that it

Re: current.freebsd.org

2001-09-07 Thread Jordan Hubbard
First we had hardware problems, then NFS was broken on the cluster for awhile, preventing current.freebsd.org from getting at the CVS repository. It's fixed now and I see that a snapshot is building as we speak. - Jordan From: Alexey Zelkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: current.freebsd.org Date:

Re: HEADS UP: ACPI CHANGES AFFECTING MOST -CURRENT USERS

2001-09-06 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Are you guys on crack? Scheme is just a dialect of LISP, where LISP could also just as easily be any one of MacLisp, InterLisp, Franz Lisp, Common Lisp or one of many other possibilities. The very acronym lacks specific meaning without an additional qualifier. Scheme can also dynamically build

Re: HEADS UP: ACPI CHANGES AFFECTING MOST -CURRENT USERS

2001-09-05 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Daniel C. Sobral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HEADS UP: ACPI CHANGES AFFECTING MOST -CURRENT USERS Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 15:55:16 -0300 I myself questioned the wisdom of using Forth at the time, and Jordan simply replied I was free to find a more popular language with a freely

Re: Build problem in -current

2001-09-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
If you think that's an acceptable work-around then by all means commit it. Thanks! - Jordan From: Bruce Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Build problem in -current Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 21:36:46 +1000 (EST) On Sun, 2 Sep 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: cd /usr/src/usr.bin/xinstall; make

Build problem in -current

2001-09-02 Thread Jordan Hubbard
cd /usr/src/usr.bin/xinstall; make _EXTRADEPEND echo xinstall: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a .depend cc -O -pipe-I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/xinstall /xinstall.c cc -O -pipe-I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -static -o xinstall xinstal l.o

Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up!

2001-08-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
This project has always been more than just its core developers, whomever they might be at any one time (and if history has shown us anything, it's that it's a constantly changing cast). This means that anyone is free to chime in with their opinion on any project decision, just as the people

Re: Why is csh tcsh? This can be a bad thing...

2001-08-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Jim Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why is csh tcsh? This can be a bad thing... Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:23:01 -0500 Because of certain differences, it cannot be used wholesale as a replacement for csh. Then please enumerate them so that they can be given due attention. This is

iso target in release/Makefile

2001-08-20 Thread Jordan Hubbard
H. I'm not sure why this reinvents a lot of the wheel in the already existing iso.1 target. Could you explain its purpose a little better as well as why you didn't simply conditionalize the iso.1 target in some way if it didn't currently suit? As it is, we have two targets now and that

Re: iso target in release/Makefile

2001-08-20 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: iso target in release/Makefile Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:06:34 -0700 It is part of a patch set I sent you for review. And that patch looks good - please commit it and then merge the resulting changes into RELENG_4 if you get the chance.

Re: iso target in release/Makefile

2001-08-20 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: iso target in release/Makefile Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:43:16 -0700 You didn't MFC the iso.1 target. We are all building releases on RELENG_4 right now :-) (-current releases have been broken for quite a while). Thus my patch was developed

Re: no new snapshot onftp://current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/

2001-08-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
No, the machine is dead and we haven't managed to get a replacement going yet. Hopefully in late August, as soon as everyone involved is back from vacation. - Jordan From: Wolfram Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: no new snapshot on ftp://current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/

Re: No more snapshots of -CURRENT?

2001-07-12 Thread Jordan Hubbard
No, it simply means that the machine has been too ill to make snapshots for awhile. We're in the process of replacing it, but everyone involved has been really busy. :( - Jordan From: John Indra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: No more snapshots of -CURRENT? Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:50:34 +0700

Re: No more snapshots of -CURRENT?

2001-07-12 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Peter Wemm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No more snapshots of -CURRENT? Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:49:59 -0700 Actually, I think we just need to pester jkh nicely to get somebody to copy over the stable build script, s/stable/current/, s/-rRELENG_4/-A/ and fire it up. I'm willing to

Re: chgrp broken on alpha systems

2001-07-05 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Since David's busy, I'm working on it now. Just some build issues to be worked out since warnings were made fatal recently. - Jordan From: Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: chgrp broken on alpha systems Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:17:51 -0700 (PDT) David claimed he would upgrade

Re: chgrp broken on alpha systems

2001-07-05 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: chgrp broken on alpha systems Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:22:27 -0700 On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 04:12:22PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: Since David's busy, I'm working on it now. Just some build issues to be worked out since warnings were made fatal

Re: current.freebsd.org down?

2001-06-25 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Yes, it is. I'm trying to get it back online but it needs a hard reset since it's wedged beyond the point where I can do anything useful from the serial console. - Jordan From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: current.freebsd.org down? Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:33:52 -0700 (PDT) is

Re: [david@catwhisker.org: Re: current.freebsd.org down?] (fwd)

2001-06-25 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Thanks, this is my fault too given that I tried to fix it myself and didn't raise it with you earlier. :( From: Mark M. Lutgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: current.freebsd.org down?] (fwd) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:20:55 -0500 (CDT) I was just told about this and should

Re: symlink(2) [Was: Re: tcsh.cat]

2001-06-17 Thread Jordan Hubbard
It seems your argument to disallow null symlinks got somehow taken as an argument to disallow all invalid symlinks then. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: symlink(2) [Was: Re: tcsh.cat]

2001-06-15 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Matt Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: symlink(2) [Was: Re: tcsh.cat] Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Symlinks do not have to contain paths. People use them for all sorts of things so it would be totally inappropriate to put any sort of True. It would break

Re: Mirror ?

2001-06-10 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Not to my knowledge, though anyone is free to create one. - Jordan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Carstens) Subject: Mirror ? Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:03:47 +0200 Are there mirrors of current.freebsd.org available ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe

Re: dual athlons

2001-06-07 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Kenneth Wayne Culver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: dual athlons Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Just curious, but are there plans to support the EV6 bus that the dual athlon motherboards use? I'm not going to buy that kind of system unless FreeBSD 5 will support it. Both

Re: sysinstall and wrong /etc/ttys types

2001-05-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Look through the cvs history for sysinstall - you'll see that it already had much of that already, back around 2.0.5 I think. It was eventually removed again due to disuse. - Jordan From: Andrey A. Chernov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: sysinstall and wrong /etc/ttys types Date: Fri, 11 May 2001

Re: sysinstall and wrong /etc/ttys types

2001-05-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Could you please be more specific on what you mean by disuse? I.e. what was the problem with that stuff and what goes wrong? Do you against its resurrection by what reasons? E.g. we went and translated a bunch of the *.TXT files into various languages (among them Russian) and then gave

Re: pgm to kill 4.3 via vm

2001-05-07 Thread Jordan Hubbard
You'll see a detailed analysis soon, patches will come only after we've agreed on a way to fix the problem. You've already had some folks respond to this, though I think the argument has been mischaracterized as a BSD vs Linux thing. It's not. What people are (IMHO) really trying to argue

Re: PATCH: partial fix for broken make release...

2001-05-02 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PATCH: partial fix for broken make release... Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:00:37 + (GMT) The make release stuff is broken, at least in 4.3, and possibly before that. There are several obviously broken things: o The libssh stuff is not

Re: HEADS UP! bad bug in -current.

2001-05-01 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Say, FreeBSD is usually pretty safe, even in CURRENT. Has something near this magnitude of Really Bad Stuffage snuck into the codebase before? No, it's not common, and it generally takes a Dane swinging something sharp to inflict quite this much damage on our user base. ;-) - Jordan To

Re: Updated: cp -t patch (w/ commentary)

2001-04-25 Thread Jordan Hubbard
However, a specific hack to cp(1) is what a lot of people don't like. If FreeBSD contained every little hack every committer had used to address specific problems, it'd be a mess. I was told that the hack everyone is referring to is already implemented in several other operating systems, but

Re: cp -d dir patch for review (or 'xargs'?)

2001-04-21 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: cp -d dir patch for review (or 'xargs'?) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:27:04 +0200 (CEST) Not all users use /bin/sh. Scripts needn't be written in /bin/sh ... Actually, just to jump in and correct this, scripts *should* be written in /bin/sh.

Re: cp -d dir patch for review (or 'xargs'?)

2001-04-21 Thread Jordan Hubbard
And to come back on topic: Portable scripts also should _not_ assume that there are no limits on the length of shell commands. On the other hand, portable scripts can legitimately assume that xargs supports -i and -I, which ours doesn't. Agreed on both counts. I guess we should fix that.

Re: ISO image available?

2001-04-13 Thread Jordan Hubbard
They're not in ISO format, but releases from both -stable and -current are available from releng4.freebsd.org and current.freebsd.org (hmm, there should also be a stable.freebsd.org - I'll request that). From those bits, it's pretty easy to make an image with mkisofs/mkhybrid - Jordan To

Re: ISO image available?

2001-04-13 Thread Jordan Hubbard
There used to be a similar snapshot server for -stable, but it seems to have disappeared. Hurm? releng4.freebsd.org has been around for ages. Before that it was called releng3.freebsd.org, hence the name change. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

build failure for today

2001-04-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
=== usr.bin/kdump cc -O -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I/usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/../ktrace -I/usr/src/usr. bin/kdump/../.. -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/ kdump.c cc -O -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I/usr/src/usr.bin/kdump/../ktrace -I/usr/src/usr. bin/kdump/../..

Re: Call for review... PR 25577

2001-03-30 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Cool. Does this mean that any of the foocontrol programs can go away? I've long wished that we could have some of the wireless control stuff go directly into ifconfig rather than having to run an external program before bringing up the interface. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

if_ef module broken in -current

2001-03-15 Thread Jordan Hubbard
=== if_ef @ - /usr/src/sys machine - /usr/src/sys/i386/include echo "#define IPX 1" opt_ipx.h echo "#define INET 1" opt_inet.h echo " echo " echo " echo " rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- -I. -I@ -I@/dev -I@/../include

Re: Proposal to mergemaster

2001-03-14 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Martin Blapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Proposal to mergemaster Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:51:28 +0100 (CET) If it is possible to add these checksums also in sysinstall when extracting the first time you install, nothing has to be done with commit scripts and also the first time you

Re: Proposal to mergemaster

2001-03-14 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Yes, I mean when we extract and install all /etc files, is it possible to add then then md5 checksum to all installed config files into the cvs header ? (With grep -v "$FreeBSD:" of course). Oh. No, not easily. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: Proposal to mergemaster

2001-03-13 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Hmmm, this is nice! I've wanted this option for a long time. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: sysinstall option for softupdates

2001-03-10 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: James FitzGibbon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: sysinstall option for softupdates Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:19:51 -0500 Are there any issues/plans to let users enable softupdates from inside of sysinstall ? No "plans", but it's certainly something which could be done. If this is a good

Re: sysinstall option for softupdates

2001-03-10 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: "David O'Brien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: sysinstall option for softupdates Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:43:52 -0800 Why not add the softupdates option to newfs? Since newfs contains every tunefs option other than softupdates, I consider it a bug that newfs didn't gain that

Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/make suff.c

2001-03-07 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I don't object - they're obvious bug fixes. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

RE: Labeling Vinum partitions in the sysinstall(8) [patch]

2001-03-02 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Labeling Vinum partitions in the sysinstall(8) [patch] Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:28:31 -0800 (PST) Heh, I wrote http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/sysinstall.vinum.patch probably a year ago now, but because it only changes the disklabel editor

Whither sftp(1)?

2001-02-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
In his article at http://www.daemonnews.org/200102/armoring.html, Markus Delves describes the usage of the SSH ftp command to do secure file copies. I further notice that we install the sftpd server in both -stable and -current (though we don't include any prototype information on how to start

Re: DEVFS newbie...

2001-02-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Once we have an extensible facility for mount options, you will be able to say: mount -t devfs devfs /home/jail/dev ( cd /home/jail/dev ; rm $devices_i_dont_want_in_my_jails ) mount -u -o nonewdev /home/jail/dev Couldn't you also do "mount -t devfs -o nonewdev devfs

Re: HEADS UP: libc/libc_r changes require rebuild of threaded apps

2001-01-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
What's not clear ;-) Use -lc_r instead of -pthread. gcc -Wall -o foo foo.c -lc_r The old way was: gcc -Wall -D_THREAD_SAFE -o foo foo.c -pthread H. And does the -pthread argument do anything anymore? If not, why not have it default to simply linking in libc_r for

world build broken in -current as of yesterday

2001-01-23 Thread Jordan Hubbard
=== usr.bin/vmstat cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/vmstat/../../sys -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/in clude -c /usr/src/usr.bin/vmstat/vmstat.c /usr/src/usr.bin/vmstat/vmstat.c:483: warning: `pgtok' redefined /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine/param.h:166: warning: this is the loca tion of

Zero-copy TCP patches - missing in action?

2001-01-17 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Weren't the zero-copy patches supposed to make it into -current some time back? I recall a little grumbling over it since it made it necessary for some other projects to sync up their own work, but nobody seemed to object in principal and zero-copy TCP is a real marketing point if we can

Anybody else seeing a broken /dev/lpt with SMP on -current?

2001-01-12 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I've actually been seeing this for about 2 months now but only just now got motivated enough to enable crashdumps and get some information on what happens whenver I try to use the printer attached to my (sadly :) -current SMP box: IdlePTD 3682304 initial pcb at 2e70e0 panicstr: page fault panic

Re: sysinstall.8 Breaking buildworld

2001-01-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
My personal opinion is that sysinstall.8 is a part of the base system and shouldn't be optional. If we take your suggestion, it means that installworld will sometimes install this manpage and sometimes it won't. I think we should simply move the stupid man page into man8. It's a bit weird to

Re: sysinstall.8 Breaking buildworld

2001-01-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Let's put sysinstall back in sbin/ then. It _used_ to live there until someo ne moved it. :) I won't argue - move away! Just have one of the CVSmeisters do it as a repo-copy, of course. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body

Re: sysinstall.8 Breaking buildworld

2001-01-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
yeah, but it can be used as many things. If invoked as "rm" sysinstall behaves just like the real rm, it happens to be one big binary. This, however, is merely "post-installation behavior" - if you rebuild and reinstall sysinstall in order to catch up with a bug fix to it, however, then this

Re: Is compatibility for old aout binaries broken?

2000-12-18 Thread Jordan Hubbard
The generated ld.so has bloated a bit :-) but works fine. So we could in principle build ld.so for every release. It's just a question of whether we should. I think we should. But it might be just as easy to copy it off the 3.3 CD every time. It's dead end stuff after all. Does the

Build failure in -current

2000-12-17 Thread Jordan Hubbard
sh ../../conf/newvers.sh BOOTMFS cc -c -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../dev -I../../../include -I../../contrib/dev/acpica/Subsystem/Include

Re: Build failure in -current

2000-12-17 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I've been noticing this on my daily builds for the last five days. I've just tried the attached patch, which works for me. Well, that's a fix, just not the right one. :) There should be no "dangling references" to soft updates if SOFTUPDATES is not defined. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send

zero copy changes in /sys/conf

2000-12-15 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Whoops, it's just been brought to my attention that I inadvertently committed a couple of harmless changes relating to the zero-copy stuff when I committed a PR fix to newvers.sh. Last I checked, there were also plans to bring the zero-copy code rather imminently into -current but I haven't seen

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-09 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Not likely to happen - people have an investment in the current scheme and it would certainly mess with their heads if one day FreeBSD suddenly started doing something entirely different than what it's been doing for the last 7 years. For those who really want to track the NetBSD way of doing

Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Jordan Hubbard
My feeling on this is that sysinstall is (and always has been :-) at the end of its life and adding multi-lingual capabilities to it is a reasonable part of its retirement. The libh project is promising but suffers from a lack of volunteers, volunteers who aren't working on sysinstall either so

Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Jordan Hubbard
No, KSE has paid developers working on it. When was the last cycle spent on libh? I'm glad you brought that up - I've been trying to find more things for you to do. I'll bring it up during the engineering staff meeting today. ;-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Make World Time Format

2000-12-05 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Thanks, good compromise. On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 07:02:35PM -0800, Thomas D. Dean wrote: Is it possible to go back to the old style of reporting world time in Makefile? I have been collecting make time stats. I added it back, but in a way I think will not be objectionable for the

Re: current.freebsd.org

2000-12-01 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Not sure if this the right place to complain or not, but current.freebsd.org does not appear to be on the net. traceroutes to both current.freebsd.org and usw2.freebsd.org (its alterego) fail. I did find that ftp7.de.freebsd.or g has the 27 November 2000 snapshot of current on it .. was

Any plans to fix -current anytime soon?

2000-11-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I know this: === usr.bin/netstat cc -O -pipe -Wall -DIPSEC -DINET6 -DIPSEC -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/netstat/if.c In file included from /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/net/if_var.h:78, from /usr/src/usr.bin/netstat/if.c:49:

Re: make release CVS?

2000-11-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I want to start building releases on a home box since it's not doing much else when I'm at work. But I have a rather low bandwidth, so I was wondering about the CVS checkout of /usr/src that the make release does. Well, it's fairly easy to keep a cvs repo up to date even at low bandwidth

Re: Any plans to fix -current anytime soon?

2000-11-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
this problem ... On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Jordan Hubbard wrote: I know this: === usr.bin/netstat cc -O -pipe -Wall -DIPSEC -DINET6 -DIPSEC -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/inc lude -c /usr/src/usr.bin/netstat/if.c In file included from /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/net/if_var.h:78

Re: make release CVS?

2000-11-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
But I don't understand why you need the whole historical cvs repository when you only use it to check out the current source, which you already has online. Or am I missing something too? You're missing something too. You can build a release with the tag set to anything you like - modulo

USW2 Root: -current build report for Mon Nov 20 02:06:26 CST 2000

2000-11-20 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Kaboom. Looks like the fixes to perl unfixed the release. --- Forwarded Message Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Mon Nov 20 05:13:27 2000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com

Re: ATA RAID - sysinstall solution

2000-11-06 Thread Jordan Hubbard
So I looked through sysinstall source and libdisk source and guess what ! - libdisk doesn't know about ar? devices yet. Committed, thanks! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

The biggest reason I rearranged the timing output in make world

2000-11-05 Thread Jordan Hubbard
If you look at make release's output: make release started on Sun Nov 5 23:27:21 GMT 2000* T1 Making hierarchy Installing everything.. elf make world started on Mon Nov 6 00:25:54 GMT 2000 * T2 Rebuilding the temporary build tree stage 1: bootstrap tools

Re: Problem with dlopen()/dlsym() after recent crt* changes

2000-11-05 Thread Jordan Hubbard
After the crt changes the following piece of code, which worked previously, gives a 'host: dlopen() failed: ./module.so: Undefined symbol "__register_frame_info' error message (yeah, I know that it's better to check handle == NULL first, but it's the way some apps work). Huh! So that's why

Re: ipfw question.

2000-10-28 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I know someone who is willing to substantially revise the install process, BUT: That's too much of a BUT. :) 1)They will want to keep it proprietary for commercial use for a period of at least a year, and that would Which is why it wouldn't be FreeBSD. FreeBSD is free and that

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-28 Thread Jordan Hubbard
There are many discussion aboud having NetBSD style rc.d. However, I think it takes for a period of time. Once, I wish to commit my changes to be in time for 4.2-RELEASE. I think people were talking only about -current here anyway. A NetBSD style rc.d is certainly not planned for -stable. -

Re: AMD broken in -current?

2000-10-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 09:04:45PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: It use to work in early October, but now I get the following using the stock (/etc/defaults/rc.conf) amd flags: It works on my Oct 22nd world. OK, so maybe it broke even later. What does it do on your Oct 27th world

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