Re: Removal of catman from base

2017-09-12 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I'm pretty sure that SVR1 had catman and roff was an extra and somewhat pricey software package. The SVR1 (and 2) systems I had access to were all CTIX, and it shipped with nroff/troff. And the 3B4000 & 3B2s I used later (SVR2 and later) also

Re: Removal of catman from base

2017-09-12 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
That was actually not why catman was brought into the world: ATT/USL thought text-processing was The Goods so they unbundled it base SVR and invented catman to make up for the missing nroff. Not quite. They (AT) sold the rights to sell typeset manuals to some publishing house (I forget

Re: why 100 packages are evil

2016-04-22 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Same as it is now for releases. Packages will be available for SAs/ENs. There is no intention to change this model. I get that. But the dependency base will be huge. Right now I can count on a very limited set of dependencies for anything I ship as a 3rd party package. Doing that for n>100

why 100 packages are evil

2016-04-22 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Here's a real example. I have n Centos servers. Cron, once or twice a day, updates our local cache of the yum repos. Then nagios comes along and flags 35 packages out of date. An hour later, management comes along asking questions about the security implications of those packages. An hour

Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8)

2016-04-22 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Warner Losh wrote: Sadly the tenor and tone of the discussion isn?t one where progress is made. The tone has been a bit toxic and demanding, which grinds people into dust, rather than motivating them to fix things. You might call it a discussion, but it reads to me more

Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8)

2016-04-22 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: As far as I know, nobody is taking the source code or the Makefiles away, so if somebody doesn't like the system being distributed with pkg, they can very well roll their own. True enough. But I am also wary of decending into what became of X,

Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8)

2016-04-18 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2016-04-18 8:17 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: Can someone on the "too many packages" campaign here explain to me how having too fine a granularity stops you from making macro packages containing packages? Because honestly I can't see how having granularity hurts at all when if someone wanted

Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8)

2016-04-18 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2016-04-18 7:01 PM, Roger Marquis wrote: Can you explain what would be accomplished by testing all or even a fraction of the possible permutations of base package combinations? We don't do that for ports. The ports tree isn't a mandatory part of the system. And by definition it could not

Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8)

2016-04-18 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2016-04-18 5:09 PM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: I'm not so sure about these statements. Maintaining groups of packages can be easier, but it can be also be harder. The goal is to find the right level. And I haven't seen a case where an 800-packages level of granularity is helpful. Not to

Re: Depreciate and remove gbde

2015-10-26 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Oct 24, 2015, at 12:06 PM, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > The thing I like most about encryption is that when I RMA a bad > drive, I don't have to worry about my data leaking if I am unable > to overwrite all the data... You are optimistic if you believe that. We ($WORK)

Re: What to do about RCS/OpenRCS

2015-05-09 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On May 9, 2015, at 8:05 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@freebsd.org wrote: We do that with GNU code anyways. The latest (GPLv3) version of RCS has already diverged and is incompatible for some third party software so we basically ran out of support from upstream. OpenRCS has it's own share of

Re: What to do about RCS/OpenRCS

2015-05-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Thu, 7 May 2015, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Unfortunately I don't use RCS enough (it looks like I should though) so I am not in a good position to take the next step and deal with any fallout it may produce. If we can have a build-knob to disable GNU RCS and enable the new one I will happily

Re: DigitalOcean offers VMs with FreeBSD!

2015-01-15 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Beware that they (DO) do not at all grok ipv6. They hand out /124s, or something equally silly. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: shells/bash port, add a knob which symlinks to /bin/bash ?

2014-09-12 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Sep 12, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: If you want interoperability just use /usr/bin/env bash as a shebang. Btw you cannot get interoprability with OS-X in there because the bash they do provide is the last GPL-2 recent bash have many incompatiblities with

Re: shells/bash port, add a knob which symlinks to /bin/bash ?

2014-09-12 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Sep 12, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Craig Rodrigues rodr...@freebsd.org wrote: Forcing all upstream script writers to switch to #!/usr/bin/env bash, or to convert their scripts to #!/bin/sh and remove all bash-specific behaviors, is getting harder and harder, since many people are exposed to MacOS

Re: shells/bash port, add a knob which symlinks to /bin/bash ?

2014-09-12 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Sep 12, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Bryan Drewery bdrew...@freebsd.org wrote: There already is one and ports requires using it! Doh! signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ?

2014-07-20 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Daniel Feenberg feenb...@nber.org wrote: Rather they have said An updated pf would not be suitable, as it would be incompatible with existing configuration files. A major FreeBSD version increment is allowed to break that level of backwards compatibility.

Re: BSD XXI Manifesto [mDNS proposal]

2014-02-27 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Feb 27, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Matthew Rezny matt...@reztek.cz wrote: If IPv4LL is in active use, the DHCP client should continue to periodically look for a DHCP server and obtain a lease without manual user intervention (which is unfortunately required on both OS X and Windows, leading to

Re: BSD XXI Manifesto [mDNS proposal]

2014-02-27 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Feb 27, 2014, at 15:59, Matthew Rezny matt...@reztek.cz wrote: If they corrected that, it was after I abandoned the platform years ago. It has been like that since at least 10.8. And I am also tempted to say that Windows 7 acts the same, but I don't have one at hand to double check.

Re: Import of DragonFly Mail Agent

2014-02-24 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Bryan Drewery bdrew...@freebsd.org wrote: Anything not meeting the bare-bones criteria can be installed with 'pkg install' or ports. Try this in a shop where all your machines are completely air-gapped from the internet. signature.asc Description: Message

Re: Import of DragonFly Mail Agent

2014-02-24 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: Bullshit. Sounds like your week didn't get off to a good start. You got FreeBSD in there in the first place, there clearly is some kind of aperture through which software can migrate. Yes, we walk in a DVD-ROM with a

Re: Import of DragonFly Mail Agent

2014-02-24 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:50 AM, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote: Or, purely hypothetically, if your goal was to make it work, you could just use Poudriere which will take a list of packages that you need and build a package set for you, which you can stick on a DVD / USB stick /

Re: cron(8) improvement

2013-11-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Nov 7, 2013, at 9:13, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote: Right. The best way to handle this is likely to have the ports install the example cron to ${PREFIX}/share/portname/ or wherever else they normally put examples, with instructions in the pkg-message on how to enable the cron.

Re: cron(8) improvement

2013-11-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Nov 7, 2013, at 19:41, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote: it really depends on the port and what the cron is doing. Why? Can you give some specific examples? ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: cron(8) improvement

2013-11-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Nov 7, 2013, at 19:46, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like the idea of having untracked files installed by the rc(8) script. Why not install the cron.d snippet by default but leave everything in it commented out with instructions at the beginning to uncomment the

Re: cron(8) improvement

2013-11-06 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Support for a cron.d directory is a tool that can be used in many ways. I have used cron.d on other UNIXen, and for package-installed cron jobs I find it significantly friendlier, in that it makes these jobs easily identifiable to the sysadmin. As we do it now, the per-user crontabs are

Re: cron(8) improvement

2013-11-06 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote: What's wrong with using the existing tools for achieving the same effect? Periodic can be adapted to do exactly what you're describing as noted above by adding an hourly (even minutely? :D ) periodic run. Periodic is geared

Re: rcs

2013-10-10 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-10, at 1:06 PM, Igor Mozolevsky i...@hybrid-lab.co.uk wrote: You're missing the point- the requirement is provide a way to keep track of changes for file X not have many fancy and unnecessary features... The point is to put back the specific RCS commands that were recently removed.

Re: FreeBSD 10 and zfsd

2013-10-10 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-10, at 2:54 PM, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote: I've been working on the handbook section on ZFS and made certain to mention that, I'll have to look at improving the man page as well, but as far as I know, the man page is imported from IllumOS, where spares do work. This

Re: rcs

2013-10-08 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-08, at 11:17 AM, Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com wrote: ‚ÄčI haven't kept up-to-date with all the developments, but isn't this part of the bsdinstall/pkgng plan? Once the pkgng repos are all available and populated, then bsdinstall will be able to install packages from there during

rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
I know I am a certified crank, but ... why? This is some of the simplest code on the planet. Is it broken by recent OS releases? I use ci/co every single day to track changes to individual config files on individual machines. For simple things like ntp.conf, rc.conf, sysctl.conf, a simple

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 2:02 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: I use ci/co every single day to track changes to individual config files on individual machines. For simple things like ntp.conf, rc.conf, sysctl.conf, a simple 'ci -l xxx' is a trivial way to maintain local revision

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 2:08 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: And sorry, what I left out was how having ci/co in the base is immensely helpful with the installer scripts I write. The server installation scripts I've cooked up use ci(1) to keep a record of changes made during

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 2:53 PM, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote: Or do you really only run the base OS and no other software on your systems, without any of your own code or any customisation? We install from the base release ISO images burned on DVDs. We are physically air-gapped from

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 3:45 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: Having RCS in the base system is very useful. We use it to track changes to bits of /etc on the machines where we don't do wholesale customizations. (Those ones get git, but they also get an install of /usr/ports

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 4:37 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: Then you and others should stand up and provide feedback like this far, far earlier in the development process. So when was this first discussed? I've been on -current for over a decade. If I missed a prior discussion I

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 4:49 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: I've asked on IRC to figure out when this was first proposed. Adrian, something to keep in mind is that the majority of your code's users will never use your preferred communication media. So when you propose to remove a

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 5:40 PM, Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote: svnlite? fail I won't go that far, immediately. But I need a tool that lets me migrate the history of my RCS files to the new regime. And the new tools(s) *must* be part of the base system. (Migration tools included.)

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 5:58 PM, Ian Lepore i...@freebsd.org wrote: I have not re-read those threads to see just how much of the discussion involved rcs, I just spot-checked a few and confirmed my memory that it showed up in some of the messages there. I don't see any discussion as to why the code

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 6:05 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: I don't see any discussion as to why the code (CVS, in this case) *needs* to be removed. My stupidity: I meant RCS, not CVS. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http

rcs

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Okay folks, can we make a call about keeping the RCS tools in the base? The proponents wanting to remove RCS need to speak up and make their technical case. --lyndon ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: rcs

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 8:15 PM, Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu wrote: Maybe there was no development for 15 years. However, the 7364 lines in ChangeLog after 2010-02-04 suggests that there may be few bugs to worry about. Dear Troll, Demonstrate one.

Re: Light humour

2013-04-29 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-04-29, at 8:27 PM, Teske, Devin wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM (Please, don't be drinking anything.. I disclaim all responsibility for keyboard damage) Please, PLEASE, can we have a Where Are They Now segment about this kid? I want to know which company he is

Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default

2011-12-02 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Max, I think a reasonable default is to continue building and shipping profiled libraries. This keeps FreeBSD consistent with every other UNIX variant released in the last (at least) 30 years. If you personally find profiled library builds slow you down too much, a one line addition to your

Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default

2011-12-02 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Nothing is being broken here, just a default being changed. Users make up a greater proportion of our userbase than developers, so sensible defaults for them are more appropriate, right? This has no impact on non-developer end-users. For developer end-users, this has a huge impact. You are

Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default

2011-12-02 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Something else I forgot to mention ... The point of -CURRENT is to make sure everything works before it becomes -STABLE and -RELEASE. Not building significant components of the system ensures those components don't get tested. This includes the actual build process, as well as the

Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default

2011-12-02 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Using profiled libs and gprof to profile your code has been obsolete in FreeBSD on i386 and amd64 for over six years now. Funny, it still seems to work on my systems. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default

2011-12-02 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Obsolete does not mean it doesn't work. No, these days 'obsolete' seems to mean 'it does not have a sexy Flash-driven web GUI.' Profiling is a simple basic tool that makes it easy to quickly find code execution hot-spots. It's not dtrace, or any other plethora of tools that do a more

Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default

2011-12-02 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
In this case, 'obsolete' means it's a difficult-to-use tool that requires recompiling your application, can't be used in production, doesn't work when shared libraries are in the picture, offers limited-to-no visibility into the underlying reasons why a particular code path is a hotspot and

Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default

2011-12-02 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Isn't this about user choice, and making sensible defaults? There are two or three users out of thousands complaining about the default. If the extra build time bugs you that much, I'll contribute towards buying you better build hardware, too. ___

Sparc build boxes

2011-12-02 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Speaking of throwing hardware at people, I have a couple of Sun V100s that could go to a good home for FreeBSD Sparc development purposes. They come equipped with 1GB of RAM and a pair of 80GB disks. If anyone can make a legitimate case for them, drop me a note. --lyndon

Sparc V100s (re donations)

2011-12-02 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
About the donations page et al ... that's set up for cash donations. Hardware doesn't go through there very well. I don't care about tax receipts. I'd rather just send the gear directly to any people who can legitimately use it (i.e. someone with an @freebsd.org address, or someone with an

Re: ee (easy editor) bugged on 9.0?

2011-11-19 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Methinks your $TERM is set incorrectly. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org

Re: Adding disk firmware programming capability to camcontrol

2011-10-28 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
The linux hdparm program is so paranoid about this that you have to use extra arguments like --yes-really-destroy-my-disk-drive to do this. I concur. Loudly. The ability to brick your hardware is just too large to not make people go through the I tell you three times dance. It's not like

Re: Our aging base system krb5 [heimdal]

2010-06-06 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
(And yes, this is a bit of an irony considering that I used to be the maintainer of the base-system Kerberos code in the long-ago krb4 days. But my job requires me to administer MIT Kerberos, so I need the MIT kadmin utility and not the Heimdal one.) Aren't the reasons for the Heimdal

Re: Our aging base system krb5 [heimdal]

2010-06-06 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
... and it's not going to get any better till someone steps up and volunteers to improve it. Can we count on you? I've brought this up at least three times over the past 10(+?) years, and been blown off every time. So yes, I'm volunteering, again. Can I count on you? --lyndon

Re: HEADS UP: /bin and /sbin are now dynamically linked

2003-11-21 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
--On Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:40 PM -0500 Richard Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ust put a tiny termcap file in /rescue (i.e. termcap.rescue) that contains 5 or 6 of the most common terminal types (cons25, vt102, etc), and have /rescue/vi default to cons25. If you are hosed enough to

Re: Unfortunate dynamic linking for everything

2003-11-19 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
--On Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:30 AM -0500 Garance A Drosihn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have a: chflags ldcache /bin/sh Shouldn't that be 'chmod +t /bin/sh' ??? --lyndon ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: Shared object libintl.so.4 not found

2003-09-12 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
I recently upgraded one of my machines to 5.1-current, and for some reason I keep getting Share object 'libintl.so.4' not found errors when I attempt to install from ports or execute certain commands/programs. I read that upgrading my version of gettext would fix the issue, but it has not.

Another take on adduser

2003-01-22 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg {VE6BBM}
A couple of months ago I wrote a shell implementation of adduser. One of the things that bothered me about the old version was the way its policy and configuration pretty much duplicated that of pw(8). Being able to set inconsistent policy like this is not good. Also, pw already implemented all of

Re: pw_user.c change for samba ( perl scripts!)

2002-12-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
I can't find any shell script 'adduser' in http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ Where can I find it? I'm not sure about the one Terry (?) mentioned, but I have a shell replacement for adduser that's 98% complete. There's one remaining bug. I wasn't going to say anything until I had rmuser done

Re: What is user uucp good for?

2002-11-06 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Maybe future generations will wonder what it is named after similarly to GCOS field in passwd today :-) At the very least we should change the shell. But Kris' suggestions sound the best. I agree. But more importantly, let's make sure that we don't, by removing the uucp login, make it

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-09 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Danny And a list of files to delete would have saved many emails Danny about the GCC being broken when the old headers just needed Danny to be deleted. We could add 'rm -rf /usr/include/*' at a suitable point inside the installworld target. --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-09 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Garance A Drosihn writes: We could add 'rm -rf /usr/include/*' at a suitable point inside the installworld target. Installers should not be blindly removing entire directory structures. The only things that live under /usr/include are those owned by the system's install target, therefore it

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-08 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
M == M Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: M I think that we need a mtree.obsolete that goes through and M deletes these sorts of things as part of installworld/upgrade M scripts. No solution like this will ever work for everyone, or in every situation. For example, you generally

Re: __FreeBSD_version bump for loss of perl

2002-05-16 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Ade == Ade Lovett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ade Because not everyone using the ports system has the in-place Ade editing feature of sed that was recently added, and thus it Ade needs to be conditional on ${OSVERSION}. Why can't we use ed for in-place edits? --lyndon To

Re: __FreeBSD_version bump for loss of perl

2002-05-16 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
perl -pi.hold -e 's/FOO/BAR/g' ${WRKSRC}/a/b/{X,Y} is not as easy to do with `ed'. It's not *that* hard. 10 lines of shell script is preferable to XX MB of perl bloat. Especially for this sort of problem. --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe

Re: The future of perl on FreeBSD

2002-05-13 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Garance == Garance A Drosihn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Garance I agree. That's why a redirector makes more sense, because Garance the redirector can be part of the base-system, and the port Garance can be installed in /usr/local. There is one problem with the /usr/bin/perl

Re: The future of perl on FreeBSD

2002-05-13 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Jonathan == Jonathan Perkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jonathan An auto-configuration script which merely checks for the Jonathan existance of a file rather than actually testing it's the Jonathan file it needs is a bit silly and probably deserves the Jonathan breakage. And just

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-20 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Crist == Crist J Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Crist OK. Now you've really lost me. What do ports have to do with Crist this? Which ports? None of the sniffing programs I am aware Crist of use set{g,u}id bits. They rely on the permissions of the Crist user running them.

Re: Mergemaster niggle

2002-02-06 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
David == David W Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David mergemaster only checks to see if RCSID's are different by David default, I forget which option, but there is one to actually David diff the two files when doing its inital compare, but the David RCSID's would be different

Re: Mergemaster niggle

2002-02-06 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
David == David W Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Sometimes things get changed and then backed out to their David original state, but you cannot keep the original RCSID I can see that happening on the head, but this also happens on stable ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: uucp user shell and home directory

2001-10-09 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
None of those things are realproblems. I've set up the port to be hosted on MASTER_SITE_LOCAL for now, but Lyndon's free to go and host it wherever he likes, organise whatever community support he likes (if theres nontrivial interest he could surely even get a freebsd.org mailing list set

Re: uucp user shell and home directory

2001-10-04 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Just like with anonymous FTP, don't make it world writable if you don't want the world writing to it. Right - that's what actually was done. Don't install it unless you need. Oh give me a break. You do not disable anonymous FTP uploads by 'rm /usr/libexec/ftpd'. I'm talking about the

Re: uucp user shell and home directory

2001-10-04 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
What are *you* doing to address the problem? Are you stepping up as a maintainer? Yes. If you read the list archives you will see I've done so twice in the past already. Are you willing to fix the problems with UUCP in FreeBSD as it is Yes. How much time are you willing to contribute? As

Re: uucp user shell and home directory

2001-10-04 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
There are many other points - some examples I know of: The /var/spool/uucppublic which is writeable by everyone. Usually you don't want this. Just like with anonymous FTP, don't make it world writable if you don't want the world writing to it. Ever received a mail with an envelope like foo

Re: uucp user shell and home directory

2001-10-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
All these solutions assume that everyone is wired up with IP connectivity. The original questions was who uses UUCP? One answer is: those without IP connectivity. Part of the problem here I suspect is that the people who develop and maintain FreeBSD live a life where a T-3 into your livingroom

Re: uucp user shell and home directory

2001-10-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Do you mean 'full-time IP connectivity', because if you can setup a UUCP connection, you can just as easily setup a PPP connection over the same medium, giving you IP connectivity. True, but there's a lot more infrastructure overhead involved in setting up a group of disconnected machines via

Re: uucp user shell and home directory

2001-10-01 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Ruslan == Ruslan Ermilov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ruslan It doesn't really matter what the home directory is set to Ruslan (IIRC), but the shell must be uucico(8). No, this is wrong on both counts. By convention, the home directory of the uucp login has corresponded to the UUCP

Re: uucp user shell and home directory

2001-10-01 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Garrett == Garrett Wollman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Garrett I remember, back in the mists of ancient time, it was Garrett common practice to provide ``anonymous UUCP'' service Garrett along the lines of anonymous FTP in (what was at that Garrett time) ARPANET. Yup, I used to

Re: uucp user shell and home directory

2001-10-01 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
The convention was to use ``uucp'' as the default anonymous login service. I think we're talking about two different things. Yes, many UNIX distributions shipped with a passwordless 'uucp' account with uucico as the shell. My comments about the 'nuucp' convention were referring to the

Re: ipfw: several equal rules under same number bug

2001-04-30 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Andrey == Andrey A Chernov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andrey I think it is very contr-intuitive way, better action will Andrey be replace if number is the same. Nonsense. This is what 'add' and 'delete' are for. Andrey For example ipfw delete takes number as an argument, Andrey

Re: make(1) patches to bypass quietness prescribed by @-prefixed commands in Makefiles

2000-05-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
I like the idea, but the -l flag conflicts with a different usage for SVR4 derived makes (on at least AIX, Irix, and Solaris): -l load Specifies that no new jobs (commands) should be started if there are others jobs running and the load average

Review and commit of bin/14911?

2000-05-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Could someone with commit privs please take a look at bin/14911? I'd really appreciate it if that could get committed, and MFC'd into RELENG_4. Also, bin/6997 has been aging away for quite some time as well. Thanks, --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: Review and commit of bin/14911?

2000-05-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"David" == David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David You might get more interest if you mention what the PR David fixes. It adds missing binary/manpage links from opiekey to otp-md4 and otp-md5. Some of our remote users run software that semi-automates OTP logins, and that

Re: make(1) patches to bypass quietness prescribed by @-prefixed commands in Makefiles

2000-05-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Chuck Compatibility with those other makes is pretty low to begin Chuck with, but it doesn't hurt, I guess, to allow for this. -dl Chuck is ok with me. I just wouldn't consider the compatibility Chuck thing a real issue if it weren't this easy to satisfy. It's not a big deal

Process cleanup (was Shared memory ...)

2000-03-01 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"John" == John Polstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Applications need to clean up after themselves. The OS has John no way of knowing whether an application wants its shared John memory segments to survive after it terminates. Tricky when the program crashes. Remember that a

Re: openssl in -current

2000-02-20 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"Christian" == Christian Weisgerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christian Commercial users need to get Christian an explicit license from RSA Inc., which from what I Christian hear you can't get in practice. Correct. The only option for commercial software (in the US) is to license

Re: Crypto progress! (And a Biiiig TODO list)

2000-02-18 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"Mark" == Mark Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark o A username may only be checked $number times per Mark $timeperiod; after that, _all_ answers are silently Mark converted to "no". Umm, massive DOS hole. Mark o Daemon may only be invoked $number times per $timeperiod;

Re: Crypto progress! (And a Biiiig TODO list)

2000-02-18 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"Garrett" == Garrett Wollman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Garrett And what happens when the daemon is dead, has crashed, or Garrett was never started? You incorporate my patches to inetd that teach it to listen on named sockets, and then run the daemon from there in wait mode. If inetd

Re: Crypto progress! (And a Biiiig TODO list)

2000-02-18 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"Garrett" == Garrett Wollman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You incorporate my patches to inetd that teach it to listen on named sockets, and then run the daemon from there in wait mode. If inetd dies you're pretty much hosed, anyway. Garrett Think ``single-user mode''. In

Re: Init (was MAKEDEV et al)

1999-12-15 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"Peter" == Peter Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And then we could telinit -on sshd telinit -off sshd Peter This looks nice. The major problem I see is coming up with Peter a secure mechanism for passing the daemon name from telinit Peter to init. Named sockets work well

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"BSDman" == BSDman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BSDman one idea about /usr is to allow the admin to mount it BSDman read-only. I didn't tried it but this would give some BSDman level of security against modifications of the files there BSDman in. This is particulary useful in a

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-13 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"Mike" == Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike The "right" solution is and has always been to name your Mike disks and mount them by name. Once devfs is a reality, Mike we'll be able to do just this. Until then, the problem's Mike not really as bad as you make it out to

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-11 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"Dieter" == Dieter Rothacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dieter Why would you want to define "correct" numbering the Dieter non-spread-out numbering? Or did I misunderstand you? I Dieter have all my disks as master drives on the channels. Now, Dieter when I hook up another disk

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-11 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"Adam" == Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Adam As I understand it, cam or pre-cam or wd or ata it is simply Adam an issue of defaults. If you plan to use disks that die or Adam become removed, simply read LINT on how to wire your disk Adam id's. I understand. The point is:

ps -e

1999-11-15 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"Matthew" == Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matthew Why don't we get rid of the 'e' option to ps while we Matthew are at it considering how much of a security hole it is. I wouldn't nuke it completely. Make -e a noop unless the real uid ps is running with matches the

PCI-1220 doc's found

1999-02-22 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
I finally managed to extract a copy of the PCI-1220 chip documentation from TI. If anyone needs a copy of this, e-mail me and I'll forward it along. (Beware, it's a 3.5 MB PDF.) (If I get the okay from TI I'll also put it up for FTP someplace.) --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to

PCI-1220 doc URL

1999-02-22 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
It's online now at: ftp://ftp.execmail.ca/pub/staff/lyndon/misc/PCI1220.pdf --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: CardBus Support (was: support for 3Com 3C575 network controller?)

1999-02-21 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
There are PDF and zipped PostScript data sheets for these parts on TI's web page: http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/folders/analog/pci1211.html Ya, I found those by doing a search inside the TI site. The problem is the data sheets those URLs point to only describe the hardware side of things.

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