Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-02 Thread Matt Olander
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Jordan Hubbard j...@ixsystems.com wrote:

 On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Matt Olander m...@ixsystems.com wrote:

 This is like trying to predict automobile technology and dominant
 car-makers by 1905. There's always room for competition. Take a look
 at what's happening right now in the auto-industry. Tesla came out of
 nowhere 125 years after the invention of the automobile and is doing
 pretty well.

 I think you're kind of making my point for me, Matt. :-)

 Tesla benefitted entirely from deep pockets on the part of its investors.  
 Over $160M went into starting the company, of which $70M came from the 
 personal checking account of Elon Musk, the current visionary and CEO, and to 
 quote the wikipedia page:  Tesla Motors is a public company that trades on 
 the NASDAQ stock exchange under the symbol TSLA.[5] In the first quarter of 
 2013, Tesla posted profits for the first time in its ten year history.

 Yep, in other words, Tesla has been losing money for over 10 years and only 
 just started turning a profit, after raising a mere $187M in investment and 
 $485M in loans from the US DOE.  Your tax dollars at work!   On top of all 
 that Tesla has only managed to make money at all by focusing exclusively the 
 highest end of the luxury car market, where profit margins are also the 
 highest (the first car, the roadster, would set you back $110,000).

 Getting back to computer operating systems, it would make most readers of 
 these lists choke on their Doritos to know how much Apple had to invest in 
 Mac OS X before it became a viable desktop operating system and of course 
 you've already seen folks screaming about how Apple gear is too expensive and 
 they'll never buy it.

 You just don't get a consumer-grade desktop Unix OS, or a practical 
 all-electric sedan, without serious monetary investment and a luxury marquee 
 to match, assuming you'd like to actually make any of that money *back*.

 So, back to BSD on the desktop.   Anyone got a spare $200M they'd like to 
 just throw away?  That's what it's going to take! :)

 Don't believe me?  Go ask someone who knows first-hand then.  Ask Mark 
 Shuttleworth:  
 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/08/why-ubuntus-creator-still-invests-his-fortune-in-an-unprofitable-company/


Yeah, no doubt it will cost a bit of money to compete on that level.
However, have you ever heard the phrase pioneers suffer where settlers
prosper? Meaning it may (or may not!) take significantly less to
compete once a lot of the harder problems are solved.

If we take the fact that PCs are on the decline but device adoption is
on the rise, perhaps we could focus on an Android competitor (*cough*
Cyb0rg *cough).

Wouldn't it be possible to run Android apps on *BSD via a java vm? I
will get you an Ubuntu phone for Christmas and we can try it :P

-matt

P.S., I do not have 200 million but I'm good for 10k :P
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Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Matt Olander
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard j...@mail.turbofuzz.com wrote:

 On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:

 That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
 desktop market.  FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the Linux
 desktop and start to rip out the pieces of the OS not needed for
 server or embedded use.

 Some of you may point to PCBSD and say that we have a chance, but I
 must ask you: how does one flavor stand up to the thousands in the
 Linux world?

 The fact that this posting comes out on April 1st makes me wonder if it's 
 just an elaborate April Fool's joke, but then the notion of *BSD (or Linux, 
 for that matter) on the Desktop is just another long-running April fool's 
 joke, so I'm willing to postulate that two April Fools jokes would simply 
 cancel each other out and make this posting a serious one again. :-)

 I'll choose to be serious and say what I'm about to say in spite of the fact 
 that I work for the primary sponsor of PC-BSD and actually like the fact that 
 it has created some interesting technologies like PBIs, the Jail Warden, 
 Life-preserver and a ZFS boot environment menu.

 There is no such thing as a desktop market for *BSD or Linux.  There never 
 has been and there never will be.   Why do you think we chose the power to 
 serve as FreeBSD's first marketing slogan?  It makes a fine server OS and 
 it's easy to defend its role in the server room.  It's also becoming easier 
 to defend its role as an embedded OS, which is another excellent niche to 
 pursue and I am happy to see all the recent developments there.

 A desktop?  Unless you consider Mac OS X to be BSD on the desktop (and 
 while they share some common technologies, it's increasingly a stretch to say 
 that), it's just never going to happen for (at least) the following reasons:

As you may imagine, I completely disagree! The Internet just had it's
20th birthday (it can't even drink yet!) and it's anyone's game.

This is like trying to predict automobile technology and dominant
car-makers by 1905. There's always room for competition. Take a look
at what's happening right now in the auto-industry. Tesla came out of
nowhere 125 years after the invention of the automobile and is doing
pretty well.

I bet there were a lot of people at Apple saying they couldn't compete
in the music-player market, or the mobile-phone market, etc.

In fact, if I look at the stats on freenas.org, we have about 350k
visitors each month, with nearly 2% of them running FreeBSD and
clearly using it to surf the internet. Sounds like a market to me!

Long live the FreeBSD desktop, long live PC-BSD :P

Cheers,
-matt
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