Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-24 Thread Matthew Dillon
: : :I supported the decision because: : : : :1. It has been requested for years : :2. It benefits PAM and NSS. : :3. It is easy to revert. : : Easy to revert? You are talking about depending on mechanisms for : authentication and other things that WILL NOT WORK with static binaries :

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-24 Thread Matthew Dillon
:I think that you forgot to attach the patches that demonstrate all of :this. : :Also, I'm really starting to resent you using the FreeBSD mailing lists as :an advocacy channel for DragonFly. I fail to see how FreeBSD 4.x and :DFBSD relate to FreeBSD 5-current, which is the overall topic of this

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-24 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrew Gallatin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : 1) Microbenchmark:40% worse : 2) Bootstone(*): 25% worse : 3) Ports: 16% worse Thanks for the real numbers. Warner ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-24 Thread Scott Long
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Matthew Dillon wrote: :I think that you forgot to attach the patches that demonstrate all of :this. : :Also, I'm really starting to resent you using the FreeBSD mailing lists as :an advocacy channel for DragonFly. I fail to see how FreeBSD 4.x and :DFBSD relate to

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-24 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Tuesday 25 November 2003 12:20, Andrew Gallatin wrote: OK my bad, it will probably slow down the ports building. I'll bet a larger percentage of our users build ports than need nss or ldap. Err, yes.. Of course you are claiming it should be either/or, which is not very reasonable. What

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-24 Thread E.B. Dreger
PW Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:56:21 -0800 PW From: Peter Wemm PW We need nsswitch type functionality in /bin/sh. To the PW people who want to make it static, lets see some static PW binary dlopen() support or a nsswitch proxy system. I started a new thread inquiring about the challenges

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-24 Thread Sam Leffler
On Monday 24 November 2003 07:06 pm, Andrew Gallatin wrote: M. Warner Losh writes: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm just saying that most of the developers I'm talking to on IRC say this tread is insane, has no content and they are blowing it off because of that. A concrete, real

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-24 Thread M. Warner Losh
And I just did a make clean run in /usr/ports/archivers (by manually mv'ing a static and dynamic sh to /bin in turn): static: 96.63 real53.45 user39.27 sys dynamic: 112.42 real55.51 user51.62 sys The wall clock is bad (16% worse) and the system time

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-24 Thread Gordon Tetlow
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 08:55:31PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: Daniel O'Connor writes: Why didn't you pipe up when this was discussed _long_ ago? In the orginal thread, there was an agreement that the performance would be measured BEFORE the default was changed, and the default

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