Dear lists,
I'm sorry for 2L8 reply though,I have transrated this thread
into japanese in [1]. I wonder if every mail transrated
correctly so please check it if you understand japanese
especially by japanese lists. BTW ML mails should be obeyed
by FreeBSD Copyright but it's derivative work would
On 5/12/14, 1:35 PM, Allan Jude wrote:
I have this system:
hw.model: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1220 v3 @ 3.10GHz
hw.ncpu: 4
http://ark.intel.com/products/75052
dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU
dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0
dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0
On 2014-05-17 08:07, John Baldwin wrote:
On 5/12/14, 1:35 PM, Allan Jude wrote:
I have this system:
hw.model: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1220 v3 @ 3.10GHz
hw.ncpu: 4
http://ark.intel.com/products/75052
dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU
dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0
Did you set cx_lowest on hw.acpi.cpu ?
-a
On 12 May 2014 20:07, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
Before and after cx_lowest=c8 on an E5-2620v2
before:
# pcm.x 1
Intel(r) Performance Counter Monitor V2.6 (2013-11-04 13:43:31 +0100
ID=db05e43)
Copyright (c) 2009-2013 Intel
On 2014-05-13 02:06, Adrian Chadd wrote:
Did you set cx_lowest on hw.acpi.cpu ?
-a
On 12 May 2014 20:07, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
Before and after cx_lowest=c8 on an E5-2620v2
before:
# pcm.x 1
Intel(r) Performance Counter Monitor V2.6 (2013-11-04 13:43:31
+0100
I have this system:
hw.model: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1220 v3 @ 3.10GHz
hw.ncpu: 4
http://ark.intel.com/products/75052
dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU
dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0
dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0
dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.cpu.0.freq: 3100
On 12 May 2014 10:35, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
I have this system:
hw.model: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1220 v3 @ 3.10GHz
hw.ncpu: 4
http://ark.intel.com/products/75052
dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU
dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0
On 2014-05-12 14:25, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 12 May 2014 10:35, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
I have this system:
hw.model: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1220 v3 @ 3.10GHz
hw.ncpu: 4
http://ark.intel.com/products/75052
dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU
dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
On 2014-05-12 14:25, Adrian Chadd wrote:
Just run intel-pcm and see. Thanks, -a
Not sure if this is expected or not, but on
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz
all of the pcm.x tools just hang (cpu state: usem)
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On 05/12/2014 22:12, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2014-05-12 14:25, Adrian Chadd wrote:
Just run intel-pcm and see. Thanks, -a
Not sure if this is expected or not, but on
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz
all of the pcm.x tools just hang (cpu state: usem)
On 05/12/2014 22:09, Allan Jude wrote:
Will try to grab results from a few more machines
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Before and after cx_lowest=c8 on an E5-2620v2
before:
# pcm.x 1
Intel(r) Performance Counter Monitor V2.6 (2013-11-04 13:43:31 +0100
ID=db05e43)
Copyright (c) 2009-2013 Intel Corporation
Number of physical cores: 12
Number of logical cores: 24
Threads (logical cores) per physical core: 2
El día Wednesday, May 07, 2014 a las 12:14:16PM +0800, Jia-Shiun Li escribió:
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
# dmesg
...
CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz (900.11-MHz 686-class
CPU)
Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0x6d8
Hello,
I wanted to implement the power saving hints we discussed in my tiny
EeePC 900, but it says:
root@tiny-r255948:~ # uname -a
FreeBSD tiny-r255948 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #1: Fri Oct 18
12:10:57 CEST 2013 g...@aurora.sisis.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
i386
On 2014-05-06 12:38, Matthias Apitz wrote:
Hello,
I wanted to implement the power saving hints we discussed in my tiny
EeePC 900, but it says:
root@tiny-r255948:~ # uname -a
FreeBSD tiny-r255948 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #1: Fri Oct 18
12:10:57 CEST 2013
El día Tuesday, May 06, 2014 a las 01:00:21PM -0400, Allan Jude escribió:
EeePC 900, but it says:
root@tiny-r255948:~ # uname -a
FreeBSD tiny-r255948 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #1: Fri Oct 18
12:10:57 CEST 2013 g...@aurora.sisis.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
i386
On 6 May 2014 09:38, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
Hello,
I wanted to implement the power saving hints we discussed in my tiny
EeePC 900, but it says:
root@tiny-r255948:~ # uname -a
FreeBSD tiny-r255948 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #1: Fri Oct 18
12:10:57 CEST 2013
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
# dmesg
...
CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz (900.11-MHz 686-class
CPU)
Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0x6d8 Family = 0x6 Model = 0xd Stepping = 8
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman escribió:
Available is not required. Set it to C8. That guarantees that you will use
the lowest available. The correct incantation in rc.conf is Cmax.
performance_cx_lowest=Cmax
economy_cx_lowest=Cmax
But, unless you want
Am 05.05.2014 11:17, schrieb Matthias Apitz:
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman escribió:
Available is not required. Set it to C8. That guarantees that you will use
the lowest available. The correct incantation in rc.conf is Cmax.
performance_cx_lowest=Cmax
El día Monday, May 05, 2014 a las 12:09:02PM +0200, Stefan Esser escribió:
In the output of:
$ sysctl -a | fgrep dev.cpu.0.freq_
dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1600/2000 1333/1533 1066/1066 800/600
what does mean the value after the slash .../ ?
This is the nominal power consumption
El día Monday, May 05, 2014 a las 12:36:08PM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió:
Btw: the values in /etc/rc.conf
performance_cx_lowest=Cmax
economy_cx_lowest=Cmax
to which launched process they belong as config values?
Forget the question. The values are used by /etc/rc.d/power_profile
On Sunday, May 04, 2014 4:40:02 pm Adrian Chadd wrote:
Hm, I was hoping for a little more discussion. Mostly around the
which older CPUs do we leave this on for? crowd.
I have Pentium-M class hardware that I was going to spin up -HEAD on.
So I'll go install -HEAD on said older hardware and
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman escribió:
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0 .
Available is not required. Set it to C8. That guarantees that you will
On 05/03/14 22:29, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 3 May 2014 21:52, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
* use cpufreq with some heuristics (like say, only step down to 2/3rd
the frequency if idle) - and document why that decision is made (eg on
CPU X, measuring Y at idle, power consumption was
On 2014-05-04 10:28, Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman escribió:
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0 .
Available is not required.
On 2014-05-04 11:47, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2014-05-04 10:28, Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman escribió:
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in
On 05/04/14 10:05, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2014-05-04 11:47, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2014-05-04 10:28, Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman escribió:
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
Set it to the lowest
Hm, I was hoping for a little more discussion. Mostly around the
which older CPUs do we leave this on for? crowd.
I have Pentium-M class hardware that I was going to spin up -HEAD on.
So I'll go install -HEAD on said older hardware and get a list of what
does and doesn't work. I'm totally fine
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.orgwrote:
On 05/04/14 10:05, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2014-05-04 11:47, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2014-05-04 10:28, Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman
escribió:
On Sat,
throttling is disabled now.
-a
On 4 May 2014 21:27, Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Nathan Whitehorn
nwhiteh...@freebsd.orgwrote:
On 05/04/14 10:05, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2014-05-04 11:47, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2014-05-04 10:28, Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 08:38:28AM +0100, David Chisnall escribió:
Just a small note here: Improving power management is something that the Core
Team and the Foundation have jointly identified as an important goal, in
particular for mobile / embedded scenarios. We're
Hi,
I'm working on adding some more power management logging support to
freebsd-head so we can start to get a better grip on sleep/wakeup
occurances. That should help us start to figure out where the power
consumption is going.
But on that EEEPC 900, just make sure you've set dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 09:37:08AM -0700, Adrian Chadd escribió:
Hi,
I'm working on adding some more power management logging support to
freebsd-head so we can start to get a better grip on sleep/wakeup
occurances. That should help us start to figure out where the power
Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0 .
-a
On 3 May 2014 12:23, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 09:37:08AM -0700, Adrian Chadd escribió:
Hi,
I'm working on adding some more power management logging support to
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0 .
Available is not required. Set it to C8. That guarantees that you will use
the lowest available. The correct incantation in rc.conf is Cmax.
On 05/03/14 16:59, Kevin Oberman wrote:
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0 .
Available is not required. Set it to C8. That guarantees that you will use
the lowest available. The correct
TCC is fine.
TCC for doing anything other than _thermal throttling_ these days isn't.
I've been kind of trying hard to avoid touching it as I'm worried
it'll stick to me, but something tells me i'm just going to have to
bite the bullet and grab ownership of this stuff... :(
-a
On 3 May 2014
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.orgwrote:
On 05/03/14 16:59, Kevin Oberman wrote:
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0 .
Available is not required. Set
Hi,
Well, hardware got better. A lot better. I'm happy to leave speedstep
and throttling in there but teach powerd about using C-states and
limited frequency stepping if it's available.
So, how about something like this:
* if C states are available - let's just use C states and not step the
cpu
On 2014-05-04 00:49, Adrian Chadd wrote:
Hi,
Well, hardware got better. A lot better. I'm happy to leave speedstep
and throttling in there but teach powerd about using C-states and
limited frequency stepping if it's available.
So, how about something like this:
* if C states are
On 3 May 2014 21:52, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
On 2014-05-04 00:49, Adrian Chadd wrote:
Hi,
Well, hardware got better. A lot better. I'm happy to leave speedstep
and throttling in there but teach powerd about using C-states and
limited frequency stepping if it's available.
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi,
Well, hardware got better. A lot better. I'm happy to leave speedstep
and throttling in there but teach powerd about using C-states and
limited frequency stepping if it's available.
So, how about something like
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Alexey Dokuchaev da...@nsu.ru wrote:
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 03:10:22PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
FreeBSD desktop since 3.3 (makes me a newbie!) I really dislike
pulseaudio
and have managed to live without it. Firefox works fine without it.
Unfortunately
There are a few alternatives to Lightroom available in Ports Collection,
you might want to give them a try one day.
offtopic:
But it does not even come close to Lightroom. Gimp is also not even
close to Photoshop. Maybe Pixelmator. But Gimp? The UI and usability
is such a mess.
But again it's
Since when is GIMP an alternative to Lightroom? I was talking about
raw processors, not raster image manipulators.
The opensource alternatives to Lightroom come not close to the
original. The _same_ is true for GIMP which is hardly workable and is
not more then a nice showcase but its
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 03:10:22PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
FreeBSD desktop since 3.3 (makes me a newbie!) I really dislike pulseaudio
and have managed to live without it. Firefox works fine without it.
Unfortunately they dropped OSS support a while go, so I now must use alsa,
but it works
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 11:21:34AM +0200, Matthias Gamsjager wrote:
Since when is GIMP an alternative to Lightroom? I was talking about
raw processors, not raster image manipulators.
The opensource alternatives to Lightroom come not close to the original.
They maybe not yet a drop-in
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 09:49:31AM +0200, Matthias Gamsjager wrote:
There are a few alternatives to Lightroom available in Ports Collection,
you might want to give them a try one day.
offtopic:
But it does not even come close to Lightroom. Gimp is also not even
close to Photoshop. Maybe
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 08:38:28AM +0100, David Chisnall wrote:
On 1 Apr 2014, at 08:11, Jordan Hubbard j...@mail.turbofuzz.com wrote:
1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete
top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying
to idle the
On 1 Apr 2014, at 23:10, Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote:
Audio output is pretty system dependent, but I had little problem getting
my audio to auto-switch to headphones when I plugged them in. The setup is
a bit ugly,but I only had to check the available PINs (ugly, ugly) and set
up
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 10:22:32AM +0100, David Chisnall wrote:
On 1 Apr 2014, at 23:10, Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote:
Audio output is pretty system dependent, but I had little problem getting
my audio to auto-switch to headphones when I plugged them in. The setup is
a bit
On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
I have Macs at work (typing on one now), and a mac at home. I like them.
[ … ]
It’s just like being back in the 80s, when Unix had a desktop market, only
much, much faster.
Worry not, there’s a product just for you now!
On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:33 PM, Person, Roderick perso...@upmc.edu wrote:
Why aren't all the nerds and small businesses out there a market?
Too few of you to justify the capital outlay. Now, if we were talking about a
$1500 watch that was very nerdy and appealed to the inner James Bond in lots
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Matt Olander m...@ixsystems.com wrote:
This is like trying to predict automobile technology and dominant
car-makers by 1905. There's always room for competition. Take a look
at what's happening right now in the auto-industry. Tesla came out of
nowhere 125 years
On 02.04.14 12:22, David Chisnall wrote:
The use case that PulseAudio was [over]designed to fix was plugging in
USB headphones (or connecting a Bluetooth headset) and having existing
audio streams redirected there.
Please don't ever make this behavior the default!
Imagine, you have an audio
On 2 Apr 2014, at 13:40, Daniel Kalchev dan...@digsys.bg wrote:
On 02.04.14 12:22, David Chisnall wrote:
The use case that PulseAudio was [over]designed to fix was plugging in USB
headphones (or connecting a Bluetooth headset) and having existing audio
streams redirected there.
Please
On 02.04.14 15:52, David Chisnall wrote:
On 2 Apr 2014, at 13:40, Daniel Kalchev dan...@digsys.bg wrote:
On 02.04.14 12:22, David Chisnall wrote:
The use case that PulseAudio was [over]designed to fix was plugging in USB
headphones (or connecting a Bluetooth headset) and having existing
On 02.04.14 04:26, Adrian Chadd wrote:
It's no longer xorg just speaks to the graphics chip.
This is a common trend in computing recently. What once required tightly
integrated OS/applications is now distributed, in the widest sense. The
so called Personal Computer is nowadays actually
On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 15:10:22 -0700
Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote:
No, mutt, with vim as mail composer. :)
+1
matthias
(FreeBSD since 2.2.5 and sending this from an EeePC 900,
netbook, UMTS connected, KDE4 desktop, sound, webcam, vim, mutt,
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Jordan Hubbard j...@ixsystems.com wrote:
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Matt Olander m...@ixsystems.com wrote:
This is like trying to predict automobile technology and dominant
car-makers by 1905. There's always room for competition. Take a look
at what's
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 06:40:18PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote:
Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the
desktop since, well, before it was called FreeBSD. It's still my
primary platform for nearly everything (except photo management, which
drove me to a Mac laptop so
No wifi.
Someone has to step up and own broadcom wifi or this will never change.
-a
On 2 April 2014 18:44, Alexey Dokuchaev da...@nsu.ru wrote:
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 06:40:18PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote:
Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the
desktop since,
On 4/1/14, 1:46 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all
Hey it's not an apr 1 joke if it's true..
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Hi,
On 04/01/14 07:46, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User
and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can
be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a
desktop. In short, it is an educational
On 1 Apr 2014, at 08:11, Jordan Hubbard j...@mail.turbofuzz.com wrote:
1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete
top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying to
idle the processor whenever possible to achieve that. You need to
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 12:11:19PM +0500, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the Linux
desktop and start
Hice April 1st piece,
Let's see what I could contribute :)
On 01.04.14 08:46, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User
and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can
be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when
On 4/1/2014 1:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User
and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can
be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a
desktop. In short, it is an educational
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the Linux
desktop and start to rip out the pieces of the OS not needed for
server or embedded use.
On Mon, 2014-03-31 at 22:46 -0700, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User
and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can
be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a
desktop. In short, it is
-Original Message-
From: Eitan Adler [mailto:li...@eitanadler.com]
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 10:47 PM
To: hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd-
advoc...@freebsd.org
Subject: Leaving the Desktop Market
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story
-Original Message-
From: Lars Engels [mailto:lars.eng...@0x20.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:41 AM
To: Jordan Hubbard
Cc: Eitan Adler; hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd-
advoc...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 12
You got me for a moment :)
On a serious note...
OpenBSD is reportedly having some
success on a desktop- is using -CURRENT
on dev's desktop religiously (so I've
heard) something related?
(e.g. working sound out of the box)
I have sound with www/firefox without
pulseaudio, albeit firefox 28
On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User
and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a
worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop.
In short, it is
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User
and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can
be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a
desktop. In short, it is an educational experience. While FreeBSD
can be
Sorry,
should have replied to everybody ;)
Cheers
-- Forwarded Message --
Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market
Date: Tuesday 01 April 2014, 17:34:28
From: Stefan Wendler stefan.wend...@tngtech.com
To: freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org
Hi,
On Monday 31 March 2014 22:46:45 Eitan
On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Sean Bruno sean...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:
Why even bother? Its over, just embrace the future and be like this
happy Mac user:
http://people.freebsd.org/~sbruno/happy_desktop_user.jpg
I have Macs at work (typing on one now), and a mac at home. I like them.
I
On 2014-04-01 03:11, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete
top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying to
idle the processor whenever possible to achieve that. You need to optimize
all of the hot-spot
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Randi Harper
You know you opened a can of worms with that one. Because all the nerds are
going to step up and say Well, I run FreeBSD on my desktop! It's totally
...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 12:11:19PM +0500, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
desktop market. FreeBSD should
On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User
and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a
worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop.
In short, it is
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard j...@mail.turbofuzz.com wrote:
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the Linux
desktop
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Matt Olander m...@ixsystems.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard j...@mail.turbofuzz.com
wrote:
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
Hi all,
I have been a member of the FreeBSD hackers mailing list for about a year.5
now and I must say that I was looking forward to this year's 4/1 email.
Last year, I didn't even realize that the discussion of promoting i386 as a
tier 1 architecture was a joke until someone blatantly mentioned
On Tue, April 1, 2014 11:59 am, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Matt Olander m...@ixsystems.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard
j...@mail.turbofuzz.com
wrote:
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com
wrote:
That is
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From: owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org] On
Behalf Of Randi Harper
You know you opened a can of worms with that one. Because all the nerds are
going to step
up and say Well, I run FreeBSD on my desktop! It's totally
El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 07:43:02PM +0200, Lars Engels escribió:
That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the
[snip]
I'm a happy FreeBSD desktop user since 4.7. There are some edges,
On 04/01/2014 07:46, dte...@freebsd.org wrote:
Eitan,
While I understand your frustration, VICOR is using FreeBSD as a Desktop since
FreeBSD 2.2. We don't use sound and we are fine relying on vesa.
While I understand that the things you listed are actual short-comings for
normal
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 07:43:02PM +0200, Lars Engels
escribió:
That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the
In article 533b3903.7030...@rancid.berkeley.edu,
mich...@rancid.berkeley.edu writes:
I have been using FreeBSD on the desktop since 1997,
Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the
desktop since, well, before it was called FreeBSD. It's still my
primary platform for nearly
On 1 April 2014 15:40, Garrett Wollman woll...@hergotha.csail.mit.edu wrote:
In article 533b3903.7030...@rancid.berkeley.edu,
mich...@rancid.berkeley.edu writes:
I have been using FreeBSD on the desktop since 1997,
Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the
desktop
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