Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread Martin Sugioarto
Am Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:08:02 -0500 schrieb Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org: It's a change from before, but a normalization with respect to most Linux distributions, since we are now using the same dialog as, e.g., Debian and Ubuntu. -Nathan Hi, yes. And I want to thank you (and

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread Bruce Cran
On 25/07/2011 06:01, Freddie Cash wrote: Thank goodness. The worst thing about sysinstall was that it tried to be a Swiss Army knife doing everything, yet not doing any one thing well. It made a royal mess of rc.conf if you tried to use it to configure a system. Usually the first time someone

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 25/07/2011 07:47 Warren Block said the following: 2. The options don't always really apply. Create when ad0 is highlighted leads the user to think they can create a new device, like ad1. But it will really create another partition. Delete on ad0 deletes all the partitions, not ad0.

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread Claude Buisson
On 07/25/2011 02:56, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 07/24/11 19:11, Claude Buisson wrote: On 07/24/2011 23:33, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread Warren Block
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, Andriy Gapon wrote: on 25/07/2011 07:47 Warren Block said the following: 2. The options don't always really apply. Create when ad0 is highlighted leads the user to think they can create a new device, like ad1. But it will really create another partition. Delete on ad0

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread eculp
Quoting Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com: On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, Andriy Gapon wrote: on 25/07/2011 07:47 Warren Block said the following: 2. The options don't always really apply. Create when ad0 is highlighted leads the user to think they can create a new device, like ad1. But it will

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread Ron McDowell
Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 07/24/11 18:03, Ron McDowell wrote: Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd at 2.0 and never really had a problem with

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:46 AM, eculp ec...@encontacto.net wrote: That makes two of us right now. I gave up, accepted the automatic partition and everything else went as expected, I suppose. The disk results are: # df Filesystem 1K-blocksUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread eculp
Quoting Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:46 AM, eculp ec...@encontacto.net wrote: That makes two of us right now. I gave up, accepted the automatic partition and everything else went as expected, I suppose. The disk results are: # df Filesystem 1K-blocks

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On 25/07/2011 06:01, Freddie Cash wrote: Thank goodness. The worst thing about sysinstall was that it tried to be a Swiss Army knife doing everything, yet not doing any one thing well. It made a royal mess of rc.conf if

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread Vadim Goncharov
Hi Freddie Cash! On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:01:44 -0700; Freddie Cash wrote about 'Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.': 3) I see no post-install uses on the new one. Sysinstall could be used on an up-and-running system to do

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread Vadim Goncharov
Hi Freddie Cash! On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:36:59 -0700; Freddie Cash wrote about 'Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.': Thank goodness. The worst thing about sysinstall was that it tried to be a Swiss Army knife doing

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 07/25/11 18:12, Vadim Goncharov wrote: Hi Freddie Cash! On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:01:44 -0700; Freddie Cash wrote about 'Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.': 3) I see no post-install uses on the new one. Sysinstall could be

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-25 Thread Scott Long
On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Freddie Cash wrote: On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On 25/07/2011 06:01, Freddie Cash wrote: Thank goodness. The worst thing about sysinstall was that it tried to be a Swiss Army knife doing everything, yet not doing any

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd at 2.0 and never really had a problem with understanding the installation program. There is always a first time, I guess.

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread eculp
Quoting Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org: On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd at 2.0 and never really had a problem with understanding the installation

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Ron McDowell
Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd at 2.0 and never really had a problem with understanding the installation program. There is always a first

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Claude Buisson
On 07/24/2011 23:33, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd at 2.0 and never really had a problem with understanding the installation program.

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Adrian Chadd
.. wait, the install-off-USB doesn't default to a read-only boot? Adrian On 25 July 2011 08:11, Claude Buisson clbuis...@orange.fr wrote: On 07/24/2011 23:33, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not payed

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 07/24/11 19:11, Claude Buisson wrote: On 07/24/2011 23:33, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd at 2.0 and never really had a problem with

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
It does not. I had tried to match the behavior of the 8.x memsticks. It's an easy change in /usr/src/release/ARCH/make-memstick.sh to change it, however. -Nathan On 07/24/11 19:54, Adrian Chadd wrote: .. wait, the install-off-USB doesn't default to a read-only boot? Adrian On 25 July 2011

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Adrian Chadd
Something tells me that's a disaster waiting to happen. Eg, if something happens, and the installer disk gets corrupted, people may blame freebsd for being unstable, email questions to freebsd-* mailing lists asking why X doesn't work (only for it to work when the image is written out again), etc,

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Bruce Cran
On 25/07/2011 00:03, Ron McDowell wrote: 1) no back button/selection/mechanism on each screen. Rebooting because I fat-fingered something on the previous screen is, well, unacceptable. 2) no minimal install. Most of my installs are single- or few-task servers where I need a base os and a

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 07/24/11 18:03, Ron McDowell wrote: Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd at 2.0 and never really had a problem with understanding the

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
Yes, I agree. I'll ask re@ to change it. -Nathan On 07/24/11 20:02, Adrian Chadd wrote: Something tells me that's a disaster waiting to happen. Eg, if something happens, and the installer disk gets corrupted, people may blame freebsd for being unstable, email questions to freebsd-* mailing

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 07/24/11 20:03, Bruce Cran wrote: On 25/07/2011 00:03, Ron McDowell wrote: 1) no back button/selection/mechanism on each screen. Rebooting because I fat-fingered something on the previous screen is, well, unacceptable. 2) no minimal install. Most of my installs are single- or few-task

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Bruce Cran
On 25/07/2011 02:08, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 07/24/11 20:03, Bruce Cran wrote: On 25/07/2011 00:03, Ron McDowell wrote: 1) no back button/selection/mechanism on each screen. Rebooting because I fat-fingered something on the previous screen is, well, unacceptable. 2) no minimal install.

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sunday, July 24, 2011, Ron McDowell r...@fuzzwad.org wrote: I'll have to agree with the original poster. I have no problem with the look and feel of the new installer, but when functionality that WAS there is now gone, that's a problem. My two, make that three, biggest gripes are: 1) no

Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.

2011-07-24 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: Can you please describe what you didn't like about it, and what you would prefer be changed? Reminiscent of the 1980s is not really helpful, especially given that the new installer in fact looks very much like sysinstall, which you seemed to like.