Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-27 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Saturday, 26 July 2003 at 11:00:40 -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reason I keep saying that is that nobody knows for sure. Nobody has reverse engineered anything, got sued and won (or lost). Just

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-26 Thread Doug White
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, M. Warner Losh wrote: : Can they now take they took relevant steps as a defence in a law court? That's a very interesting question. Which might get answered since some industrious folks aligned with a certain other open source operating system are in the process of

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-26 Thread Wesley Morgan
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Doug White wrote: On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, M. Warner Losh wrote: : Can they now take they took relevant steps as a defence in a law court? That's a very interesting question. Which might get answered since some industrious folks aligned with a certain other open source

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-26 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wesley Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Doug White wrote: : : On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, M. Warner Losh wrote: : : : Can they now take they took relevant steps as a defence in a law court? : : That's a very interesting question. :

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-26 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : The reason I keep saying that is that nobody knows for sure. Nobody : has reverse engineered anything, got sued and won (or lost). Just However, there are one or two cases that are close to relevant working

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-25 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adrian Chadd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : On Thu, Jul 24, 2003, M. Warner Losh wrote: : In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Chris BeHanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : Can't they just redact that information from the spec.? : : Typically

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-25 Thread Brooks Davis
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 06:36:55AM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adrian Chadd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : On Thu, Jul 24, 2003, M. Warner Losh wrote: : In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Chris BeHanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : :

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-24 Thread Chris BeHanna
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Kevin Oberman wrote: From: Matthew Emmerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:21:23 -0400 The folks at Broadcom have not been willing to release any information on their 800.11g chips for fear of violating FCC regs. The required NDA would prohibit the

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-24 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chris BeHanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Can't they just redact that information from the spec.? Typically no. Even in a redacted spec it would be painfully obvious what to do. Also, different regulatory domains have different frequencies that are

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-24 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chris BeHanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Can't they just redact that information from the spec.? Typically no. Even in a redacted spec it would be painfully obvious what to do. Also, different

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-23 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:32:13 +0200 From: Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Folks, Okay, so now I just figured out what the ath driver is. Sigh... Of course, I find this out through searching for open source drivers for the Broadcom chipset as

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-23 Thread Matthew Emmerton
Folks, Okay, so now I just figured out what the ath driver is. Sigh... Of course, I find this out through searching for open source drivers for the Broadcom chipset as used in the Linksys WPC54G cardbus device, which I happen to have just bought. I've already done quite a bit

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-23 Thread Kevin Oberman
From: Matthew Emmerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:21:23 -0400 The folks at Broadcom have not been willing to release any information on their 800.11g chips for fear of violating FCC regs. The required NDA would prohibit the release of the source. You can program both

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-23 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 06:21:23PM -0400, Matthew Emmerton wrote: Folks, ... Can anyone provide some pointers or links that would bring me up-to-date on the current state of affairs on this subject, especially as it related to FreeBSD or *BSD in general? The folks at Broadcom

Re: We have ath, now what about Broadcom?

2003-07-23 Thread Brooks Davis
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 06:21:23PM -0400, Matthew Emmerton wrote: Why would Broadcom be scared? Obviously it's the _driver_ that controls the power/freq output of the chip, so the responsibility of staying within FCC regs is that of the driver authors. Of course, the no warranty aspects of