Re: 8MB install
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 10:15:19PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: There *are* other ways to install than booting a CDROM; they are just more labor intensive, and require FreeBSD running on a more poswerful machine to set up the install for the other machine. True. Anyone who wants to install on a small machine should consider using a network boot first. Build on a faster machine, then user etherboot on the target machine to check it out. Sure it'll be slow, but all you have to do once the machine is netbooted is fdisk, label the disk, newfs it and copy over the stuff you need. Then reboot. If it doesn't work, netboot again and have another go. -- John Birrell ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8MB install
John Birrell wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 10:15:19PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: There *are* other ways to install than booting a CDROM; they are just more labor intensive, and require FreeBSD running on a more poswerful machine to set up the install for the other machine. True. Anyone who wants to install on a small machine should consider using a network boot first. Build on a faster machine, then user etherboot on the target machine to check it out. Sure it'll be slow, but all you have to do once the machine is netbooted is fdisk, label the disk, newfs it and copy over the stuff you need. Then reboot. If it doesn't work, netboot again and have another go. Exactly. The main use for memory sizes this small these days (since you can't generally buy the seperate parts any more) is for embedded processor cores with on-die memory of that size, whih means for embedded systems. Doing developement for these, you have to expect to treat them as targets, rather than as developement platforms themselves. If you are targetting it anyway, you might as well do the work on your developement machines instead. If you don't have an extra 5M after netbooting, then you should probably create the disk image on the developement machine, and unpack it onto the target, instead of trying to use sysinstall after netbooting (the 12M limit someone else mentioned comes from expecting to run sysinstall). -- Terry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8MB install
On 2003.06.25 21:30:28 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: Simon L. Nielsen wrote: On 2003.06.25 12:10:42 +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote: FWIW, the last FreeBSD release I managed to install on an 8mb machine from CD-ROM+bootfloppies was 4.1.1. Can anybody else confirm this ? It seems like the documetation need to be updated to state this. State what? That you should use 4.1.1 on 8M 486 machines, if you intend on installing from media that require the use of a RAM disk for installation? Seems a little specialized... 8-). Hehe yes :-). The documentation should just not indicate that it is possible to install on 8MB, when it isn't. Currently the FAQ says : FAQ 3.5. I have only 4 MB of RAM. Can I install FreeBSD? FreeBSD 2.1.7 was the last version of FreeBSD that could be installed on a 4MB system. FreeBSD 2.2 and later needs at least 5MB to install on a new system. All versions of FreeBSD will run in 4MB of RAM, they just cannot run the installation program in 4MB. [CUT] /FAQ Which doesn't really seem to match any current reality with regards to both CURRENT and STABLE. Have anybody made any recent tests on CURRENT (and STABLE for that matter) with regards to minimum RAM requirements, install and normal runtime? Yes; about two months ago there were a couple of people who installed on an old 386SX. The main issue was that they had to roll their own distribution from sources, specifically with a stripped down kernel without all the weird drivers (which is exactly what I talked about in my previous posting). From what I understood that test was more a test of whether it was possible to run 5.x on a 386, not to actually find out the minium RAM for install/run. I think I will try to dig up my old 486 next week, and try to find the actual requirements for a sysinstall based installation on more recent FreeBSD versions. -- Simon L. Nielsen pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
8MB install
Hello, Has anyone had any success installing 5.1 release on a 486 w/ 8MB RAM? I can't install. avail memory = (245760) 0 MB Is this expected behavior? David ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8MB install
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, M-Trade wrote: Has anyone had any success installing 5.1 release on a 486 w/ 8MB RAM? I can't install. avail memory = (245760) 0 MB Is this expected behavior? Yes. I got pre 5.1 running on a 386dx33 with 16mb; it wouldn't work with 8. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL| ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | For Great Justice! | ISO8802.5 4ever | ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8MB install
M-Trade wrote: Has anyone had any success installing 5.1 release on a 486 w/ 8MB RAM? I can't install. avail memory = (245760) 0 MB Is this expected behavior? Until you build a skinnier kernel, you only have 240K of memory in which to run processes. Normally, the install process uses a great huge chunk of memory for a RAM disk, which it mounts as root. Your best bet is to install the drive on another machine, or temporarily install RAM in the 486. After the install, it should barely crawl in 8M. If you want to actually fit in 8M, you should rebuild a custom kernel that leaves out all the devices for which FreeBSD has drivers, but which you do not have installed in your machine. You may also want to leave out NFS, and drivers for things which *are* installed in your machine, but which you don't intend to use (e.g. sound cards, etc.). Alternately, you could find a FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 distribution on the net somewhere, and install that, instead; I have personally run that version of FreeBSD on a 4M 386SX, to use it as an X Terminal. 8-). -- Terry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8MB install
On Wednesday 25 June 2003 11:44, Terry Lambert wrote: Alternately, you could find a FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 distribution on the net somewhere, and install that, instead; I have personally run that version of FreeBSD on a 4M 386SX, to use it as an X Terminal. 8-). FWIW, the last FreeBSD release I managed to install on an 8mb machine from CD-ROM+bootfloppies was 4.1.1. -- Michael Nottebrock \KDE on FreeBSD\,ww \--- \ ,wWWCybaWW_) \ http://freebsd.kde.org \ `WSheepW'free \II II node pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: 8MB install
On 2003.06.25 12:10:42 +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote: On Wednesday 25 June 2003 11:44, Terry Lambert wrote: Alternately, you could find a FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 distribution on the net somewhere, and install that, instead; I have personally run that version of FreeBSD on a 4M 386SX, to use it as an X Terminal. 8-). FWIW, the last FreeBSD release I managed to install on an 8mb machine from CD-ROM+bootfloppies was 4.1.1. Can anybody else confirm this ? It seems like the documetation need to be updated to state this. Have anybody made any recent tests on CURRENT (and STABLE for that matter) with regards to minimum RAM requirements, install and normal runtime? -- Simon L. Nielsen pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 8MB install
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 12:45:19PM +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: On 2003.06.25 12:10:42 +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote: On Wednesday 25 June 2003 11:44, Terry Lambert wrote: Alternately, you could find a FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 distribution on the net somewhere, and install that, instead; I have personally run that version of FreeBSD on a 4M 386SX, to use it as an X Terminal. 8-). FWIW, the last FreeBSD release I managed to install on an 8mb machine from CD-ROM+bootfloppies was 4.1.1. Can anybody else confirm this ? It seems like the documetation need to be updated to state this. Have anybody made any recent tests on CURRENT (and STABLE for that matter) with regards to minimum RAM requirements, install and normal runtime? CURRENT in 8MB is a joke. For 4.x the minimum to get an installer running was something like 12MB for years now. -- | / o / /_ _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8MB install
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 02:44:24AM -0700 I heard the voice of Terry Lambert, and lo! it spake thus: Alternately, you could find a FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 distribution on the net somewhere, and install that, instead; I have personally run that version of FreeBSD on a 4M 386SX, to use it as an X Terminal. 8-). No need to get silly. My 4M 386SX runs 2.1-STABLE just fine :P -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8MB install
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M-Trade [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Hello, : : Has anyone had any success installing 5.1 release on a 486 : w/ 8MB RAM? I can't install. : : avail memory = (245760) 0 MB : : Is this expected behavior? Yes. The generic kernel is a big fat pigdog. you might be able to cope with a stripped down kernel, but sysinstall will dump core unless you sneak in early in the process and add more swap. you really need at least 16MB if not 24MB of RAM to install 5 Warner ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8MB install
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M-Trade [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Hello, : : Has anyone had any success installing 5.1 release on a 486 : w/ 8MB RAM? I can't install. : : avail memory = (245760) 0 MB : : Is this expected behavior? Yes. The generic kernel is a big fat pigdog. you might be able to cope with a stripped down kernel, but sysinstall will dump core unless you sneak in early in the process and add more swap. you really need at least 16MB if not 24MB of RAM to install 5 Last week I installed a Pentium 90 with 16 MB - 5.1 couldn't even start the installation menu, 4.8 went well without any problems or special configuration. Uli. Warner ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | - Wuppertal - | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8MB install
Simon L. Nielsen wrote: On 2003.06.25 12:10:42 +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote: FWIW, the last FreeBSD release I managed to install on an 8mb machine from CD-ROM+bootfloppies was 4.1.1. Can anybody else confirm this ? It seems like the documetation need to be updated to state this. State what? That you should use 4.1.1 on 8M 486 machines, if you intend on installing from media that require the use of a RAM disk for installation? Seems a little specialized... 8-). Have anybody made any recent tests on CURRENT (and STABLE for that matter) with regards to minimum RAM requirements, install and normal runtime? Yes; about two months ago there were a couple of people who installed on an old 386SX. The main issue was that they had to roll their own distribution from sources, specifically with a stripped down kernel without all the weird drivers (which is exactly what I talked about in my previous posting). -- Terry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8MB install
M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M-Trade [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Has anyone had any success installing 5.1 release on a 486 : w/ 8MB RAM? I can't install. : : avail memory = (245760) 0 MB : : Is this expected behavior? Yes. The generic kernel is a big fat pigdog. you might be able to cope with a stripped down kernel, but sysinstall will dump core unless you sneak in early in the process and add more swap. you really need at least 16MB if not 24MB of RAM to install 5 If you use the project supplied installation tools (e.g. sysinstall from a monster RAM disk from a compressed disk image whose memory is pretty much not recovered, etc.). There *are* other ways to install than booting a CDROM; they are just more labor intensive, and require FreeBSD running on a more poswerful machine to set up the install for the other machine. -- Terry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
