Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-05 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Sat, 1 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: My suggestion would be to wait and see how bitkeeper pans out. Enough people in the Linux camp have already looked at CVSup and gone ooh, sexy! that I think there will already be significant pressure to develop similar tools for the bitkeeper

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-05 Thread Chuck Robey
On Wed, 5 May 1999, Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Sat, 1 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: My suggestion would be to wait and see how bitkeeper pans out. Enough people in the Linux camp have already looked at CVSup and gone ooh, sexy! that I think there will already be significant pressure

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-05 Thread John Polstra
In article pine.bsf.4.10.9905051835560.388-100...@picnic.mat.net, Chuck Robey chu...@picnic.mat.net wrote: This discussion merits dropping, at least until someone rewrites cvsup ctm. Don't hold your breath. I haven't looked at bitkeeper, but I doubt anybody would have to _rewrite_ CVSup.

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-04 Thread Warner Losh
In message 19990502015216.a...@keltia.freenix.fr Ollivier Robert writes: : WHat are the improvements compared to Perforce ? After working with Perforce for 9 month at Pluto, I'd have to say it is head and shoulders above CVS. It is a different style of source management, where you have to

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-04 Thread Warner Losh
In message pine.lnx.4.04.9905011928550.735-100...@feral.com Matthew Jacob writes: : Oh, very well, I'll have to say Perforce isn't that bad- it's just that it : doesn't have a snappy set of tcl/tk GUI tools that allow you look at whole : branch and revision histories.. I've seen many Tk tools

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-04 Thread Peter Mutsaers
RW == Robert Watson rob...@cyrus.watson.org writes: RW So will bitkeeper provide a nice interface for migrating code RW from an existing and well-established CVS repository to RW whatever they use? I've looked at bitkeeper and wonder what exactly are it's advantages over CVS. It's

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-02 Thread Kenneth D. Merry
Matthew Jacob wrote... Oh, very well, I'll have to say Perforce isn't that bad- it's just that it doesn't have a snappy set of tcl/tk GUI tools that allow you look at whole branch and revision histories.. I know there's a reasonable web-based tool that lets you look at revision histories for

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Steve Price
On Sat, 1 May 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: # #:BitKeeper should be ready soon. #: #:Once it's been proven stable, might it be a better alternative to CVS? #: #:H # # Maybe, but we wouldn't know for a couple of years. You don't just go # trusting 15+ years worth of source history to a

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
# #:BitKeeper should be ready soon. #: #:Once it's been proven stable, might it be a better alternative to CVS? #: #:H # # Maybe, but we wouldn't know for a couple of years. You don't just go # trusting 15+ years worth of source history to a program that has just #

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Robert Watson
So will bitkeeper provide a nice interface for migrating code from an existing and well-established CVS repository to whatever they use? I'm quite happy to allow them to test bitkeeper in a production environment before using it in one myself, needless to say. :) On Sat, 1 May 1999, Matthew

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Harlan Stenn
As I understand it, BitKeeper is indeed based on SCCS, and is a superset of it. The performance hit of SCCS has been solved. There are several significant commercial users of BitKeeper waiting for the first production release, and Larry McVoy seems to be a bit of a maniac when it comes to

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
So will bitkeeper provide a nice interface for migrating code from an existing and well-established CVS repository to whatever they use? They have tools for RCS to SCCS- I dunno about CVS tho... I'm quite happy to allow them to test bitkeeper in a production environment before using it in

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
As I understand it, BitKeeper is indeed based on SCCS, and is a superset of it. The performance hit of SCCS has been solved. There are several significant commercial users of BitKeeper waiting for the first production release, and Larry McVoy seems to be a bit of a maniac when it comes

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Look- if Linux adopts Bitkeeper, you really should pay attention to that. I doubt you'd find a more difficult set of software engineers to keep code in sync for than the Linux folks- if Bitkeeper works for them and essentially makes a rational release train for Linux, then a major glaring

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
Look- if Linux adopts Bitkeeper, you really should pay attention to that. I doubt you'd find a more difficult set of software engineers to keep code in sync for than the Linux folks- if Bitkeeper works for them and essentially makes a rational release train for Linux, then a major

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Well, I'm not philosophically opposed to a clearly superior solution, I simply don't want to see us make any moves which involve so many messy trade-offs that we end up wasting more time embroiled in debate than we save with the new tool. My suggestion would be to wait and see how bitkeeper pans

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
Well, I'm not philosophically opposed to a clearly superior solution, I simply don't want to see us make any moves which involve so many messy trade-offs that we end up wasting more time embroiled in debate than we save with the new tool. My suggestion would be to wait and see how

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Matthew Jacob: Bitkeeper is a substantial improvement over CVS and Perforce. It's really WHat are the improvements compared to Perforce ? I've begun looking at it and if we forgot the Open Source argument (one that the FreeBSD project can't forget), it is really a very nice SCM.

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Harlan Stenn: I'm mostly interested in the lines of development features, the ability to check in various revisions of my *local* work, the ability to apply a patch set as an atomic unit, and several of the GUI tools. Perforce has all that. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
Oh, very well, I'll have to say Perforce isn't that bad- it's just that it doesn't have a snappy set of tcl/tk GUI tools that allow you look at whole branch and revision histories.. It doesn't have a 3-way filemerge tool (I still fire up teamware (what NSElite became) to do heavy merging and use

Re: BitKeeper (was Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)

1999-05-01 Thread Harlan Stenn
The folks who did BitKeeper have a compare/contrast section in their web page that talks about BitKeeper vs. CVS and Perforce. http://www.bitkeeper.com I'm running CVS at several places, and I'm going to try BitKeeper for a couple of projects. H To Unsubscribe: send mail to