Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-20 Thread Tomoaki AOKI
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:55:26 -0700 Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <451538de-9427-4584-987b-8e4aa26c2...@freebsd.org>, Daniel > Eischen w > rites: > > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > > > > > 〓〓〓Re: removing HTTP client please no!!! The current drive to

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-18 Thread Nick Wolff
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 3:54 PM Ian Lepore wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 12:49 -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > Ian Lepore wrote this message on Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 09:01 -0600: > > > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 18:43 +0400, Gleb Popov wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:05 PM Cy Schubert < >

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Marcelo Araujo
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 11:55 PM Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <451538de-9427-4584-987b-8e4aa26c2...@freebsd.org>, Daniel > Eischen w > rites: > > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Maxim Sobolev > wrote: > > > > > > Re: removing HTTP client please no!!! The current drive to "outlaw" >

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <0ab6a75e6b821058a2b939447a8e499196ec2388.ca...@freebsd.org>, Ian Le pore writes: > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 12:49 -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > Ian Lepore wrote this message on Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 09:01 -0600: > > > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 18:43 +0400, Gleb Popov wrote: > > > > On

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Pete Wright
On 9/17/20 12:49 PM, John-Mark Gurney wrote: Ian Lepore wrote this message on Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 09:01 -0600: On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 18:43 +0400, Gleb Popov wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:05 PM Cy Schubert < cy.schub...@cschubert.com> wrote: I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP)

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Ian Lepore
On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 12:49 -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Ian Lepore wrote this message on Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 09:01 -0600: > > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 18:43 +0400, Gleb Popov wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:05 PM Cy Schubert < > > > cy.schub...@cschubert.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Rodney W. Grimes wrote this message on Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:53 -0700: > > FTP is firewall unfriendly. > > Passive mode solved that decades ago. Requires that the server not be behind a firewall or port forwarding as well.. -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Ian Lepore wrote this message on Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 09:01 -0600: > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 18:43 +0400, Gleb Popov wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:05 PM Cy Schubert < > > cy.schub...@cschubert.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. > > >

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Warner Losh wrote this message on Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:08 -0600: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 8:05 AM Cy Schubert > wrote: > > > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. People > > should be using HTTPS only. (libfetch could support a plugin that might be > > supplied

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Goran Mekić
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 04:46:19PM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > > > > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. People > > > should be using HTTPS only. > > > Isn't this a bit too much? I often find myself in need to download > > something starting with "http://; or

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <202009171753.08hhrjbj014...@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, "Rodney W. Grimes" writes: > > In message c > > om> > > , Ed Maste writes: > > > FTP is (becoming?) a legacy protocol, and I think it may be time to > > > remove the ftp server from the FreeBSD base system - with the recent > > >

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 08:55:26AM -0700, Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <451538de-9427-4584-987b-8e4aa26c2...@freebsd.org>, Daniel > Eischen w > rites: > > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > > > > > Re: removing HTTP client please no!!! The current drive to

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> In message om> > , Ed Maste writes: > > FTP is (becoming?) a legacy protocol, and I think it may be time to > > remove the ftp server from the FreeBSD base system - with the recent > > security advisory for ftpd serving as a reminder. > > > > I've proposed adding a deprecation notice to the man

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 09:01:57AM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 18:43 +0400, Gleb Popov wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:05 PM Cy Schubert < > > cy.schub...@cschubert.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. > > > People

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Rebecca Cran
On 9/17/20 8:04 AM, Cy Schubert wrote: We should also deprecate the FTP client. I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. People should be using HTTPS only. (libfetch could support a plugin that might be supplied by a port should someone be inclined to write one.)

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Warner Losh
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 8:05 AM Cy Schubert wrote: > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. People > should be using HTTPS only. (libfetch could support a plugin that might be > supplied by a port should someone be inclined to write one.) > The project isn't going

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <451538de-9427-4584-987b-8e4aa26c2...@freebsd.org>, Daniel Eischen w rites: > > > > On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > > > Re: removing HTTP client please no!!! The current drive to "outlaw" HTTP > > coming from companies who see all world via web browser.

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Renato Botelho
On 17/09/20 11:04, Cy Schubert wrote: In message , Ed Maste writes: FTP is (becoming?) a legacy protocol, and I think it may be time to remove the ftp server from the FreeBSD base system - with the recent security advisory for ftpd serving as a reminder. I've proposed adding a deprecation

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Daniel Eischen
> On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > Re: removing HTTP client please no!!! The current drive to "outlaw" HTTP > coming from companies who see all world via web browser. Totally ignoring > the fact that HTTP != HTTPS in particular in cases where reliability and > lower

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Maxim Sobolev
Re: removing HTTP client please no!!! The current drive to "outlaw" HTTP coming from companies who see all world via web browser. Totally ignoring the fact that HTTP != HTTPS in particular in cases where reliability and lower complexity of the system takes precedence over on-the-wire protocol

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Lucas Nali de Magalhães
Hi. > On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Cy Schubert wrote: > In message om> > , Ed Maste writes: >> FTP is (becoming?) a legacy protocol, and I think it may be time to >> remove the ftp server from the FreeBSD base system - with the recent >> security advisory for ftpd serving as a reminder. > >

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Brooks Davis
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 06:43:16PM +0400, Gleb Popov wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:05 PM Cy Schubert > wrote: > > > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. People > > should be using HTTPS only. > > > > Isn't this a bit too much? I often find myself in need to

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 07:04:41AM -0700, Cy Schubert wrote: > In message om> > , Ed Maste writes: > > FTP is (becoming?) a legacy protocol, and I think it may be time to > > remove the ftp server from the FreeBSD base system - with the recent > > security advisory for ftpd serving as a reminder.

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Ian Lepore
On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 18:43 +0400, Gleb Popov wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:05 PM Cy Schubert < > cy.schub...@cschubert.com> > wrote: > > > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. > > People > > should be using HTTPS only. > > > > Isn't this a bit too much? I

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Cy Schubert
In message , Gleb Popov writes: > --28da0a05af83697d > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:05 PM Cy Schubert > wrote: > > > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. People > > should be using HTTPS only. > > > > Isn't

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Kurt Jaeger
Hi! > > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. People > > should be using HTTPS only. > Isn't this a bit too much? I often find myself in need to download > something starting with "http://; or "ftp://; and use fetch for this. It's a bit too much. Deprecating it,

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Gleb Popov
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:05 PM Cy Schubert wrote: > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. People > should be using HTTPS only. > Isn't this a bit too much? I often find myself in need to download something starting with "http://; or "ftp://; and use fetch for

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-17 Thread Cy Schubert
In message , Ed Maste writes: > FTP is (becoming?) a legacy protocol, and I think it may be time to > remove the ftp server from the FreeBSD base system - with the recent > security advisory for ftpd serving as a reminder. > > I've proposed adding a deprecation notice to the man page in >

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-16 Thread Ed Maste
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 16:51, Allan Jude wrote: > > Is the [ftpd] version we have in base unique? That is to say, does it need > to be preserved somehow. I'm not sure if we have functionality that doesn't exist elsewhere, although we definitely have some changes that do not exist in other BSDs.

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-16 Thread Michael Gmelin
> On 16. Sep 2020, at 22:53, Michael Gmelin wrote: > >  > >>> On 16. Sep 2020, at 22:45, mike tancsa wrote: >>> >>> On 9/16/2020 2:07 PM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: >>> # override default of no subsystems >>> -Subsystemsftp/usr/libexec/sftp-server >>> +Subsystemsftp

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-16 Thread Michael Gmelin
> On 16. Sep 2020, at 22:45, mike tancsa wrote: > > On 9/16/2020 2:07 PM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: >> # override default of no subsystems >> -Subsystemsftp/usr/libexec/sftp-server >> +Subsystemsftpinternal-sftp -l INFO > > Hi, > > What is the difference between these two ?

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-16 Thread Allan Jude
On 2020-09-16 13:34, Ed Maste wrote: > FTP is (becoming?) a legacy protocol, and I think it may be time to > remove the ftp server from the FreeBSD base system - with the recent > security advisory for ftpd serving as a reminder. > > I've proposed adding a deprecation notice to the man page in >

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-16 Thread mike tancsa
On 9/16/2020 2:07 PM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: > # override default of no subsystems > -Subsystemsftp/usr/libexec/sftp-server > +Subsystemsftpinternal-sftp -l INFO Hi, What is the difference between these two ?  Is it not all OpenSSH ?     ---Mike

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-16 Thread Michael Gmelin
> On 16. Sep 2020, at 20:08, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: > >  >> >> FTP is (becoming?) a legacy protocol, and I think it may be time to >> remove the ftp server from the FreeBSD base system - with the recent >> security advisory for ftpd serving as a reminder. >> >> I've proposed adding a

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-16 Thread sthaug
> FTP is (becoming?) a legacy protocol, and I think it may be time to > remove the ftp server from the FreeBSD base system - with the recent > security advisory for ftpd serving as a reminder. > > I've proposed adding a deprecation notice to the man page in > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447 to

Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-16 Thread Warner Losh
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 11:34 AM Ed Maste wrote: > FTP is (becoming?) a legacy protocol, and I think it may be time to > remove the ftp server from the FreeBSD base system - with the recent > security advisory for ftpd serving as a reminder. > > I've proposed adding a deprecation notice to the

Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system?

2020-09-16 Thread Ed Maste
FTP is (becoming?) a legacy protocol, and I think it may be time to remove the ftp server from the FreeBSD base system - with the recent security advisory for ftpd serving as a reminder. I've proposed adding a deprecation notice to the man page in https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447 to start this