Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-15 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:45:22 pm Adrian Chadd wrote: On 14 February 2013 13:35, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote: ISA bounces anything above 16GB. They are bouncing. I know it works for some people as I fixed a bug in the ISA bounce buffer code somewhat recentish: You

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-14 Thread John Baldwin
On Monday, February 11, 2013 1:36:47 pm Adrian Chadd wrote: ... I notice how people haven't quoted how much RAM they have, since that may influence whether or not things get bounced, double bounced or such. ISA bounces anything above 16GB. They are bouncing. I know it works for some people

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-14 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 14 February 2013 13:35, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote: ISA bounces anything above 16GB. They are bouncing. I know it works for some people as I fixed a bug in the ISA bounce buffer code somewhat recentish: You mean 16MB, right? There's a secondary bounce buffer thing needed for 32

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-11 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: But I just did an experiment on an old Pentium 4 system here, using the fdc driver and 8.3-STABLE as of early December (r243900). I read several diskettes using dd /dev/fd0 /dev/null and everything went flawlessly.

Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-11 Thread grarpamp
When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Routinely :) Often archiving piles of floppies as images too. Imagine the legacy gaming crowd does this as well to use, while preventing loss. Also, fdformat(1), fdcontrol(8), fdread(1), and fdwrite(1) are important complimentary

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-11 Thread Adrian Chadd
... I notice how people haven't quoted how much RAM they have, since that may influence whether or not things get bounced, double bounced or such. Adrian On 11 February 2013 03:28, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-11 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: ... I notice how people haven't quoted how much RAM they have, since that may influence whether or not things get bounced, double bounced or such. 4 GB RAM installed here: real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory

Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10% risk of a panic. Unless somebody fixes the fdc driver to work in

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
On Sunday 10 February 2013 12:06:44 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10% risk

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 201302101211.15818.hsela...@c2i.net, Hans Petter Selasky writes: As long as you leave room for USB floppy disks working. As far as I know, they are just umass devices, right ? They share no actual code with fdc.c ? --

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 10/02/2013, at 21:36, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less than a

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 9edf355d-07f7-4315-b00e-b181c674d...@gsoft.com.au, Daniel O'Conno r writes: I've used it in 7.x to read install.cfg for a semi automated install process. I didn't see any panics, but then again install.cfg is a pretty small file.

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 10/02/2013, at 22:14, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: I've used it in 7.x to read install.cfg for a semi automated install process. I didn't see any panics, but then again install.cfg is a pretty small file. On 7.x I got consistent panics about bounce-buffers. Hmm

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Fbsd8
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10% risk of a panic. Unless somebody fixes the

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
On Sunday 10 February 2013 12:12:52 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 201302101211.15818.hsela...@c2i.net, Hans Petter Selasky writes: As long as you leave room for USB floppy disks working. As far as I know, they are just umass

RE: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Teske, Devin
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? I did it last week on 9.0-R. Worked great. (I have more than plans to continue supporting floppies -- I've actually written code in

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 5117927c.8090...@a1poweruser.com, Fbsd8 writes: Floppy drive support was removed from Freebsd around release 7.0 I think. Read the release-notes for 6.0, 7.0 and 8.0 to determine when it happened. I think you are confusing

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message CADGWnjUn66K_Ngwn0Y_wyqX=rtt13h2fc23nebh3wqnbbwd...@mail.gmail.com , C. P. Ghost writes: Unless somebody fixes the fdc driver to work in -current, I intend to dust of my axe and cut it from the tree later this spring. Any chance

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: Unless somebody fixes the fdc driver to work in -current, I intend to dust of my axe and cut it from the tree later this spring. Any chance to get a user-mode fdc(4) replacement then? Maybe in ports? Uhm, just how

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Hans Ottevanger
On 02/10/13 12:46, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 10/02/2013, at 22:14, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: I've used it in 7.x to read install.cfg for a semi automated install process. I didn't see any panics, but then again install.cfg is a pretty small file. On 7.x I got

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Claude Buisson
On 02/10/2013 13:28, Fbsd8 wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10% risk of a

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Fbsd8
Claude Buisson wrote: On 02/10/2013 13:28, Fbsd8 wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: Floppy drive support was removed from Freebsd around release 7.0 I think. Read the release-notes for 6.0, 7.0 and 8.0 to determine when it happened. Nope, floppy support is still there, and AFAICS it is working just fine:

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message CADGWnjXv6YZQ83PjHuwP-rGyj6-j7=s6xiimd8mmfp6vlo_...@mail.gmail.com , C. P. Ghost writes: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: I was thinking of physical fdc(4). Is there a published interface

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 5117a0cd.6060...@beastielabs.net, Hans Ottevanger writes: On 02/10/13 12:46, Daniel O'Connor wrote: But I just did an experiment on an old Pentium 4 system here, using the fdc driver and 8.3-STABLE as of early December (r243900). I

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Eivind Evensen
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:06:44AM +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less than a

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 20130210141340.GA96183@klump.hjerdalen.lokalnett, Eivind Evensen w rites: Apart from lots of seeking (for which I don't understand the reason) when closing the device in DD mode, I don't have any problems with it. That's the

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 10/02/2013 13:06 Poul-Henning Kamp said the following: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10% risk

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Claude Buisson
On 02/10/2013 15:55, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message5117a0cd.6060...@beastielabs.net, Hans Ottevanger writes: On 02/10/13 12:46, Daniel O'Connor wrote: But I just did an experiment on an old Pentium 4 system here, using the fdc driver

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 5117daa6.4000...@orange.fr, Claude Buisson writes: Could you try: dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/null bs=1048576 That consistently exploded 7.x and 8.x here yesterday... FWIW, NO problem here, with: 7.4-STABLE 244498 i386 PII

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: Could you try: dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/null bs=1048576 That consistently exploded 7.x and 8.x here yesterday... FWIW, NO problem here, with: 7.4-STABLE 244498 i386 PII 8.3-STABLE 243778 i386 P4 10.0-CURRENT

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message CADGWnjXv6YZQ83PjHuwP-rGyj6-j7=s6xiimd8mmfp6vlo_...@mail.gmail.com , C. P. Ghost writes: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Marcin Cieslak
Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10% risk of a panic.

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Hans Ottevanger
On 02/10/13 15:55, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 5117a0cd.6060...@beastielabs.net, Hans Ottevanger writes: On 02/10/13 12:46, Daniel O'Connor wrote: But I just did an experiment on an old Pentium 4 system here, using the fdc

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Jeff Anton
Please keep fdc. I have many machines which still have working drives and only last month I used one to make a bootable to update a machines boot prom. I've even got 5 1/2 disk which still work. (Original MSDOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1 disks...) atlas.hesiod.org:root[1]: dd if=/dev/fd0

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 51180545.8030...@hesiod.org, Jeff Anton writes: Please keep fdc. If it works for everybody else, no worries, I wont touch it. I'm just surprised my experience is so different from everybody else... -- Poul-Henning Kamp |