Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-07 Thread Doug Barton
On Sat, 7 Jun 2003, Brad Knowles wrote: This is a rather different statement than you previously gave. I've been extremely consistent in saying that I'm talking about the right thing to do _now_. I purposely tried to avoid confusing the issue with detailed plans for the future, however

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-07 Thread Valentin Nechayev
Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 03:01:02, DougB wrote about Re: Way forward with BIND 8: FYI, for those wondering why I'm not considering BIND 9 for import, please see http://people.freebsd.org/~dougb/whybind8.html Among other things: standard resolver is waaay(tm) old. Even keeping with BIND8

Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Doug Barton
[ Please respect followups to -arch, thanks. ] As most of you are probably already aware, there have been two recent releases of BIND 8. Version 8.3.5 is the bugfix, and new minor features release on the 8.3.x branch that we've currently got in the tree already. 8.4.0 is (more or less) the all

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:09 AM -0700 2003/06/06, Doug Barton wrote: FYI, for those wondering why I'm not considering BIND 9 for import, please see http://people.freebsd.org/~dougb/whybind8.html I might be able to buy your arguments for supporting BIND 8 instead of BIND 9 in -STABLE, but not in -CURRENT. BIND

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Doug Barton
On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Brad Knowles wrote: At 12:09 AM -0700 2003/06/06, Doug Barton wrote: FYI, for those wondering why I'm not considering BIND 9 for import, please see http://people.freebsd.org/~dougb/whybind8.html I might be able to buy your arguments for supporting BIND 8

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Paul Robinson
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 03:01:02AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: FreeBSD development model requires that what we import in -current, for the most part, be what we plan to eventually MFC. That factor alone eliminates the possibility of importing BIND 9 at this time. Sorry to wade in here - let me

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Simon L. Nielsen
On 2003.06.06 14:36:44 +0100, Paul Robinson wrote: This is almost as bad as OpenBSD sticking with BIND 4... OpenBSD has actually uses BIND 9 now... -- Simon L. Nielsen pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Paul Richards
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 03:01:02AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Brad Knowles wrote: At 12:09 AM -0700 2003/06/06, Doug Barton wrote: FYI, for those wondering why I'm not considering BIND 9 for import, please see http://people.freebsd.org/~dougb/whybind8.html

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Bill Moran
Paul Robinson wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 03:01:02AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: FreeBSD development model requires that what we import in -current, for the most part, be what we plan to eventually MFC. That factor alone eliminates the possibility of importing BIND 9 at this time. Sorry to wade

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Andrew P. Lentvorski, Jr.
On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Bill Moran wrote: So, as I see it, the FreeBSD developers carefully evaluate claims of newer, better and make decisions based on internal testing and experience - not marketing hype. Of course, the BIND folks don't want to continue to maintain BIND 8, so it's only natural

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Brad Knowles
At 3:01 AM -0700 2003/06/06, Doug Barton wrote: Regardless of whether I agree with the points you make here or not, the FreeBSD development model requires that what we import in -current, for the most part, be what we plan to eventually MFC. That factor alone eliminates the possibility of

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Doug Barton
On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Paul Robinson wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 03:01:02AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: FreeBSD development model requires that what we import in -current, for the most part, be what we plan to eventually MFC. That factor alone eliminates the possibility of importing BIND 9

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Doug Barton
On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Andrew P. Lentvorski, Jr. wrote: I seem to remember that part of the issue is that FreeBSD pulls in the resolver libraries from BIND. Only indirectly. The resolver code actually hasn't been updated in a while, unfortunately. I actually would like to see BIND completely

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:31 PM -0700 2003/06/06, Doug Barton wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Paul Robinson wrote: let me just ask for clarification on something. Are you stating as the BIND maintainer around these parts that FreeBSD will never have BIND 9? No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Someone else already

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Brad Knowles
At 6:02 PM -0700 2003/06/06, Doug Barton wrote: You've failed to grasp the distinction I made between adventursome bits in contrib vs. adventursome bits in the rest of src/. Also, SMPng is a really good example of my point... it's a major API change IN FREEBSD CODE that definitely belongs in