Re: What is user uucp good for?
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ceri Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : For that matter, do we still need xten, a user who has been pushed so far : to the edge of obscurity that it's home directory doesn't even exist on a : freshly installed system (and I'm not talking about /nonexistent). For a long time I was a devender of xten, but my hardware is dead, and the original author, who is my boss, wouldn't morn the passing of it at all... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: What is user uucp good for?
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 04:23:38AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ceri Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : For that matter, do we still need xten, a user who has been pushed so far : to the edge of obscurity that it's home directory doesn't even exist on a : freshly installed system (and I'm not talking about /nonexistent). For a long time I was a devender of xten, but my hardware is dead, and the original author, who is my boss, wouldn't morn the passing of it at all... Murder! Ceri [Good sig monster, you have served me well] -- Your destruction awaits! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: What is user uucp good for?
On Tuesday, 5 November 2002 at 21:57:50 +0100, Marcin Cieslak wrote: Kris Kennaway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) napisa?(a): On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 04:11:39PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: A number of base system utilities and ports still use it for access to the serial port devices (which are owned by the uucp user). Really, the uucp user is now misnamed and should be called something like Let's leave it like it is. Maybe future generations will wonder what it is named after similarly to GCOS field in passwd today :-) At the very least we should change the shell. But Kris' suggestions sound the best. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: What is user uucp good for?
Maybe future generations will wonder what it is named after similarly to GCOS field in passwd today :-) At the very least we should change the shell. But Kris' suggestions sound the best. I agree. But more importantly, let's make sure that we don't, by removing the uucp login, make it difficult for people to continue to run programs that need dialer access. If we remove uucp from the password file we need to ensure that UUCP, installed from the ports tree, will continue to work with the new device ownerships and permissions. In theory Taylor UUCP will work with only 'dialer' group access to the tty* and cua* devices, but this does need to be verified before nuking the uucp password file entry. OTOH, I don't see a pressing need to nuke the uucp login. Nothing breaks by leaving it in place, and third-party code assumes it exists (things that want to mess with modems, like FAX software). It makes more sense to (perhaps) mention 'uucp' is a deprecated login, but until *BSD defines an official interface to the dialer devices, it would be premature to remove the existing de-facto interface to them (think /var/spool/lock, and uu_lock(3)). --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: What is user uucp good for?
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 05:57:22PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: Maybe future generations will wonder what it is named after similarly to GCOS field in passwd today :-) At the very least we should change the shell. But Kris' suggestions sound the best. I agree. But more importantly, let's make sure that we don't, by removing the uucp login, make it difficult for people to continue to run programs that need dialer access. Note that I never suggested removing the uucp login (for precisely this reason). Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
[current] Re: What is user uucp good for?
M == M Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: M In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ceri Davies M [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : For that matter, do we still M need xten, a user who has been pushed so far : to the edge of M obscurity that it's home directory doesn't even exist on a : M freshly installed system (and I'm not talking about /nonexistent). M For a long time I was a devender of xten, but my hardware is dead, M and the original author, who is my boss, wouldn't morn the passing M of it at all... Add to that: recent x10 hardware that I've bought has worked with standard serial w/o special x10 drivers. Simple python (or perl) scripts reading the serial port are sufficient to talk to it. IIRC, the x10 computer interface was $19.95 or so. That might have included shipping. It's even fully bidirectional. Dave. -- |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | |Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =GLO To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: [current] Re: What is user uucp good for?
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : M == M Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : M In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ceri Davies : M [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : For that matter, do we still : M need xten, a user who has been pushed so far : to the edge of : M obscurity that it's home directory doesn't even exist on a : : M freshly installed system (and I'm not talking about /nonexistent). : : M For a long time I was a devender of xten, but my hardware is dead, : M and the original author, who is my boss, wouldn't morn the passing : M of it at all... : : Add to that: recent x10 hardware that I've bought has worked with : standard serial w/o special x10 drivers. Simple python (or perl) : scripts reading the serial port are sufficient to talk to it. : : IIRC, the x10 computer interface was $19.95 or so. That might have : included shipping. It's even fully bidirectional. The drivers in the tree aren't for the serial versions, but these old things that interfaced to the parallel port... I have the newer serial stuff, and it doesn't use the x10 stuff in the tree. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: What is user uucp good for?
Kris Kennaway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) napisa(a): On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 04:11:39PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: A number of base system utilities and ports still use it for access to the serial port devices (which are owned by the uucp user). Really, the uucp user is now misnamed and should be called something like Let's leave it like it is. Maybe future generations will wonder what it is named after similarly to GCOS field in passwd today :-) -- Marcin Cieslak // [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg46137/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What is user uucp good for?
On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 09:57:50PM +0100, Marcin Cieslak wrote: Kris Kennaway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) napisa?(a): On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 04:11:39PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: A number of base system utilities and ports still use it for access to the serial port devices (which are owned by the uucp user). Really, the uucp user is now misnamed and should be called something like Let's leave it like it is. Maybe future generations will wonder what it is named after similarly to GCOS field in passwd today :-) For that matter, do we still need xten, a user who has been pushed so far to the edge of obscurity that it's home directory doesn't even exist on a freshly installed system (and I'm not talking about /nonexistent). Ceri -- Zoom! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: What is user uucp good for?
Now that uucp is no longer in the base system, is there any reason to keep user uucp in /usr/src/etc/master.passwd? Probably not. If you remove this, please coordinate an upgrade to the net/freebsd-uucp port the get the user added there. Thanks! M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: What is user uucp good for?
Now that uucp is no longer in the base system, is there any reason to keep user uucp in /usr/src/etc/master.passwd? Probably not. If you remove this, please coordinate an upgrade to the net/freebsd-uucp port the get the user added there. Also remember that /dev/cua* is owned by uucp. John -- John Hay -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: What is user uucp good for?
John Hay wrote: Now that uucp is no longer in the base system, is there any reason to keep user uucp in /usr/src/etc/master.passwd? Probably not. If you remove this, please coordinate an upgrade to the net/freebsd-uucp port the get the user added there. Also remember that /dev/cua* is owned by uucp. And that /usr/bin/tip and /usr/bin/cu are setuid uucp, although I guess they may now be a part of the port, eh? I take it that this is all in -current? -- Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: What is user uucp good for?
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 01:01:34PM +0200, John Hay wrote: Now that uucp is no longer in the base system, is there any reason to keep user uucp in /usr/src/etc/master.passwd? Probably not. If you remove this, please coordinate an upgrade to the net/freebsd-uucp port the get the user added there. Also remember that /dev/cua* is owned by uucp. Maybe we should leave it for after 5.0. These last minute removals of apparently non-important things do tend to open pandora's box once in a while. It's not broken, so there's no rush... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: What is user uucp good for?
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 04:11:39PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: Now that uucp is no longer in the base system, is there any reason to keep user uucp in /usr/src/etc/master.passwd? A number of base system utilities and ports still use it for access to the serial port devices (which are owned by the uucp user). Really, the uucp user is now misnamed and should be called something like serial or dialer. Kris msg45978/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
What is user uucp good for?
Now that uucp is no longer in the base system, is there any reason to keep user uucp in /usr/src/etc/master.passwd? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
