Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-26 Thread David DEMELIER
2010/9/25 Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info: M. Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com wrote: : I agree but like Aleksandr said, almost 70% of dhcp code is already in : base so adding 1Mb of dhcpd code wouldn't be too much. I like the idea : to keep some parts in the ports tree and move out from the base.

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-26 Thread Michel Talon
David DEMELIER said: I agree that for some people it will be completely useless, but if we can disable it in src.conf everyone will be happy. Since FreeBSD is great for a router it's really fast to make a full working server without installing anything else. What is the problem of installing

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-25 Thread Darren Pilgrim
M. Warner Losh wrote: It would be very convenient to have this particular thing in the base, and we shouldn't be too dogmatic about never having any new 3rd party things in the base. Please no, don't add optional servers to the base. I already don't like sendmail, bind, ntpd and inetd in

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-25 Thread Marcin Cieslak
M. Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com wrote: : I agree but like Aleksandr said, almost 70% of dhcp code is already in : base so adding 1Mb of dhcpd code wouldn't be too much. I like the idea : to keep some parts in the ports tree and move out from the base. Yea. I agree too. Just because BIND was

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-25 Thread krad
On 25 September 2010 21:10, Darren Pilgrim free...@bitfreak.org wrote: M. Warner Losh wrote: It would be very convenient to have this particular thing in the base, and we shouldn't be too dogmatic about never having any new 3rd party things in the base. Please no, don't add optional

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-17 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4c91100c.5060...@freebsd.org Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org writes: : Most of the code is there anyway, and it isn't evolving as fast as : BIND. : : That is actually a more rational argument, even if I don't agree with : it. FWIW, part of the reason that I don't agree

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-15 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: aanlktinkj182=gftdww_0oat6rforjpbxnzmyukce...@mail.gmail.com David DEMELIER demelier.da...@gmail.com writes: : 2010/9/11 Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org: : On 9/10/2010 1:48 PM, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: : : Hi, : : another argument about hostapd :) if have access point

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-15 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/15/2010 7:25 AM, M. Warner Losh wrote: Yea. I agree too. Just because BIND was EOLd in 6 isn't a great argument against dhcp server. That rather clearly was not the only element of my argument, and not only is it disingenuous for you to indicate that it was, I don't appreciate you

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-14 Thread Marian Hettwer
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 07:11:28 +0200, David DEMELIER demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/13 Gordon Tetlow gor...@tetlows.org: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:53 PM, David DEMELIER demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote: Perl is a great example, I don't really understand why it's in the base, then the

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-14 Thread David DEMELIER
2010/9/14 Marian Hettwer m...@kernel32.de: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 07:11:28 +0200, David DEMELIER demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/13 Gordon Tetlow gor...@tetlows.org: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:53 PM, David DEMELIER demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote: Perl is a great example, I don't really

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-14 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:13:58 +0200 From: David DEMELIER demelier.da...@gmail.com Sender: owner-freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org 2010/9/14 Marian Hettwer m...@kernel32.de: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 07:11:28 +0200, David DEMELIER demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/13 Gordon Tetlow

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-14 Thread David DEMELIER
2010/9/14 Kevin Oberman ober...@es.net: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:13:58 +0200 From: David DEMELIER demelier.da...@gmail.com Sender: owner-freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org 2010/9/14 Marian Hettwer m...@kernel32.de: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 07:11:28 +0200, David DEMELIER demelier.da...@gmail.com

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-13 Thread David DEMELIER
2010/9/11 Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org: On 9/10/2010 1:48 PM, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: Hi, another argument about hostapd :) if have access point we must have way to assign IP for AP clients. To start with, your assumption is wrong. DHCPd is not *actually* a requirement, although I admit

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-13 Thread Gordon Tetlow
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:53 PM, David DEMELIER demelier.da...@gmail.comwrote: Perl is a great example, I don't really understand why it's in the base, then the port need to rewrite the links into the base hierarchy and I think this is bad. Perl is not in the base system anymore. It's in

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-13 Thread David DEMELIER
2010/9/13 Gordon Tetlow gor...@tetlows.org: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:53 PM, David DEMELIER demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote: Perl is a great example, I don't really understand why it's in the base, then the port need to rewrite the links into the base hierarchy and I think this is bad.

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-11 Thread Aleksandr Rybalko
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:33:22 -0700 Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 9/10/2010 1:48 PM, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: Hi, another argument about hostapd :) if have access point we must have way to assign IP for AP clients. To start with, your assumption is wrong. DHCPd is not

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-11 Thread Bernd Walter
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:33:11PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:33:22 -0700 From: Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org On 9/10/2010 1:48 PM, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: Hi, another argument about hostapd :) if have

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-10 Thread Alex Dupre
David DEMELIER ha scritto: I was surprised to see that there is no DHCP server in base, obviously it's not difficult to fetch the net/isc-dhcp31-server package but for people that would like to setup a new server on FreeBSD quickly they will take some time to learn how packages framework works

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-10 Thread Matthew Jacob
I think not. You are given the opportunity to install prebuilt packages at install time, and with a modest amount of effort can install prebuilt packages afterwards. IMO, such as it is, there should be *less* in the base system than there currently is and more in ports.

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-10 Thread Scott Robbins
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 05:29:40PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote: David DEMELIER ha scritto: I was surprised to see that there is no DHCP server in base, obviously it's not difficult to fetch the net/isc-dhcp31-server package but for people that would like to setup a new server on FreeBSD

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-10 Thread David DEMELIER
2010/9/10 Matthew Jacob m...@feral.com:  I think not. You are given the opportunity to install prebuilt packages at install time, and with a modest amount of effort can install prebuilt packages afterwards. IMO, such as it is, there should be *less* in the base system than there currently is

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-10 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/10/2010 9:54 AM, David DEMELIER wrote: 2010/9/10 Matthew Jacobm...@feral.com: I think not. You are given the opportunity to install prebuilt packages at install time, and with a modest amount of effort can install prebuilt packages afterwards. IMO, such as it is, there should be *less*

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-10 Thread Freddie Cash
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 9/10/2010 9:54 AM, David DEMELIER wrote: And what about bind too? As I've said many times, I'm ready to have it out when there is consensus to do so. The usual discussion goes like this: 1. Get BIND out of the base!

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-10 Thread Julien Laffaye
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: As I've said many times, I'm ready to have it out when there is consensus to do so. The usual discussion goes like this: 1. Get BIND out of the base! 2. If we remove it, the command line tools (dig, host, nslookup) go with

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-10 Thread Aleksandr Rybalko
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:06:45 +0200 Julien Laffaye kime...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: As I've said many times, I'm ready to have it out when there is consensus to do so. The usual discussion goes like this: 1. Get BIND out of the

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-10 Thread jhell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/10/2010 14:36, Doug Barton wrote: On 9/10/2010 9:54 AM, David DEMELIER wrote: 2010/9/10 Matthew Jacobm...@feral.com: I think not. You are given the opportunity to install prebuilt packages at install time, and with a modest amount of effort

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-10 Thread jhell
On 09/10/2010 19:14, jhell wrote: On 09/10/2010 14:36, Doug Barton wrote: On 9/10/2010 9:54 AM, David DEMELIER wrote: 2010/9/10 Matthew Jacobm...@feral.com: I think not. You are given the opportunity to install prebuilt packages at install time, and with a modest amount of effort can

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-10 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/10/2010 1:48 PM, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: Hi, another argument about hostapd :) if have access point we must have way to assign IP for AP clients. To start with, your assumption is wrong. DHCPd is not *actually* a requirement, although I admit that practically it is. Last spring I

Re: DHCP server in base

2010-09-10 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:33:22 -0700 From: Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org On 9/10/2010 1:48 PM, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: Hi, another argument about hostapd :) if have access point we must have way to assign IP for AP clients. To start