Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread Doug Barton
Richard Wackerbarth wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: Actually, I didn't start this. Someone else brought up the idea. ...and quickly decided it was not worthwhile. Yes, the developers do a good job of repressing

Re: Remote serial gdb is broken in -CURRENT.

2000-04-26 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: On Tuesday, 25 April 2000 at 9:39:10 +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: On Sunday, 23 April 2000 at 10:07:38 +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: In the last few days, my remote serial

Re: SMP changes and breaking kld object module compatibility

2000-04-26 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Daniel O'Connor wrote: Try buildworld on one machine and installworld on all of your production boxes.. installworld only takes 10-20 minutes to run on my crappy IDE disks. Yes, that's what I'm doing now - so far the best method. But still requires having N+1 boxes

Re: SMP changes and breaking kld object module compatibility

2000-04-26 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 26-Apr-00 Andrzej Bialecki wrote: Yes, that's what I'm doing now - so far the best method. But still requires having N+1 boxes (which is not a concern for me, but for someone having e.g. 2 boxes in production this represents 1/3 increment), plus topology allowing for using NFS mounts.

Re: SMP changes and breaking kld object module compatibility

2000-04-26 Thread David Malone
On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 09:33:46AM +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: Try buildworld on one machine and installworld on all of your production boxes.. installworld only takes 10-20 minutes to run on my crappy IDE disks. Yes, that's what I'm doing now - so far the best method. But still

Re: Patchkits: Was :Re: SMP changes and breaking kld object modulecompatibility

2000-04-26 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Jim Bloom wrote: The RCS info stored in the binaries is insufficient for this purpose. There is no record of the versions of all included files. Changes to constants and/or macros would not be identifiable. Yes, you're right, I'm afraid. This could theoretically be

Re: make buildworld failed...

2000-04-26 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Tue, Apr 25, 2000 at 10:55:36AM -0500, Robert Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I got the buildworld to finih up this morning, but when I try installworld, I get: m/vm_zone.h - vm/vm_zone.ph vm/vnode_pager.h - vm/vnode_pager.ph *** Error code 1 Stop in

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread Richard Wackerbarth
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, you wrote: Any further discussion from you on this point that doesn't include code is totally and completely without value. You haven't proven the value of your suggestion to _anyone's_ satisfaction, so no one is going to do it for you. So if you're not willing to

PATCH: Removal of unneeded sys/kernel.h

2000-04-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
New patch at: http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/sys_kernel_h.patch This patch removes 67 unneeded instances of #include sys/kernel.h Comments, tests and reviews please. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD coreteam member |

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:22 PM -0600 2000/4/25, Nate Williams wrote: I consider you a very small minority. A user who is not a developer, but who could be a developer. The amount of work it would take to support your needs is way too much work, and it would only benefit 1-2% of the user base. Does this

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread Brad Knowles
At 1:32 PM -0700 2000/4/25, Matthew Hunt wrote: Maintaining a CVS repository is necessary only if you are working on the code, so your proposal would only affect devlopers, not Joe User. Normal users do not maintain copies of the repository and do not have a frequent need to examine

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread Brad Knowles
At 1:36 PM -0700 2000/4/25, Kris Kennaway wrote: Why would "The Project" have to do anything? We've already established this is of minority appeal, Have we? Really? We have established that this is of minority appeal to the people who have spoken up on this mailing list, but

Re: SMP changes and breaking kld object module compatibility

2000-04-26 Thread Jesper Skriver
On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 09:33:46AM +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Daniel O'Connor wrote: Try buildworld on one machine and installworld on all of your production boxes.. installworld only takes 10-20 minutes to run on my crappy IDE disks. Yes, that's what I'm

vn.ko load/unload/mount = panic

2000-04-26 Thread Maxim Sobolev
Hi, I've already submitted this crash report earlier but it seems that developers in -current list are too busy discussing whether Matt allowed to commit his SMP work into 4.0 to pay attention to "ordinary" panic reports :-(. Following is slightly simplified course of actions which is known to

NAT tutorial?

2000-04-26 Thread Jason Mitchell
Does anyone know of a tutorial or more detailed instructions on how to use NAT and IP masquerading in 3.4? I can configure it so that it is running and working with IP firewall within the box no problem, but as far as dolling out local IPs to the rest of the workstations or even building a

Re: vn.ko load/unload/mount = panic

2000-04-26 Thread Peter Edwards (local)
Hi, After a (very) quick look at the source it looks like there's a missing cdevsw_remove() missing from the MOD_UNLOAD/MOD_SHUTDOWN event handling I haven't time to test it, but try this: *** vn.c.oldWed Apr 26 16:23:03 2000 --- vn.cWed Apr 26 16:24:06 2000 *** ***

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:24:59PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: Maintaining a CVS repository is necessary only if you are working on the code, so your proposal would only affect devlopers, not Joe User. Normal users do not maintain copies of the repository and do not have a frequent

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread Frank Mayhar
Richard Wackerbarth wrote: You are correct that I "haven't proven" yet. Much of this is because the audience doesn't relate to the problem because they don't see themselves directly impacted by it. However, they are paying for it every time they use cvsup or cvs. "Frankly, my dear, I

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:50 AM -0700 2000/4/26, Matthew Hunt wrote: In any case where somebody says "Y'all should do such-and-such" without ponying up the code himself, we should be thinking about whether the benefit to the users will "pay for" the time it takes us to do it. Sounds like a

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread Doug Barton
Richard Wackerbarth wrote: On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, you wrote: Any further discussion from you on this point that doesn't include code is totally and completely without value. You are correct that I "haven't proven" yet. . . . I'll sit back and wait... To Unsubscribe: send

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:11:23PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: I am only guessing, but the way I read the original proposal (which Richard has been advocating much more strongly than the person who originally proposed it) sounded to me like it would benefit anyone and everyone that

Re: vn.ko load/unload/mount = panic

2000-04-26 Thread Peter Edwards (local)
Sorry, I think that fix is incomplete (though it'll prolly stop the crashes). I think there should be a destroy_dev() call for each created device in the MOD_UNLOAD case also. I'll make a patch and send-pr it once I get back to my home machine, unless someone more experienced feels the need to do

Re: cc1 sig 11'ing recently?

2000-04-26 Thread Brian Somers
Any getting these too? ild-tools cd /usr/src/bin/sh; make build-tools cc -O -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/usr/src/bin/sh -Wall -Wformat -c /usr/src/bin/sh/mkinit.c cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 Only people with dodgy memory or cache (probably memory). -- Brian

Re: cc1 sig 11'ing recently?

2000-04-26 Thread Matthew Jacob
Umm- doubt it, but I'll check. This system has been fine for the last 18 months and runs everything else just peachy. On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Brian Somers wrote: Any getting these too? ild-tools cd /usr/src/bin/sh; make build-tools cc -O -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/usr/src/bin/sh -Wall

Re: make buildworld failed...

2000-04-26 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Vallo Kallaste wrote: I've got this trap for several times and I really want to know what's causing this. The first time was about a year ago and after no answer I've not bothered to send out more questions about it. Anyway, several people report it time-to-time, so it's

Re: vn.ko load/unload/mount = panic

2000-04-26 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 04:25:46PM +0100, Peter Edwards (local) wrote: How about send-pr ing this stuff? Wilko Hi, After a (very) quick look at the source it looks like there's a missing cdevsw_remove() missing from the MOD_UNLOAD/MOD_SHUTDOWN event handling I haven't time

Re: cc1 sig 11'ing recently?

2000-04-26 Thread David Scheidt
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Matthew Jacob wrote: Umm- doubt it, but I'll check. This system has been fine for the last 18 months and runs everything else just peachy. Sudden SIGSEGVs are almost always the result of failed memory. The fact that the machine worked fine for 18 months doesn't mean

Re: cc1 sig 11'ing recently?

2000-04-26 Thread Ron Klinkien
Any getting these too? ild-tools cd /usr/src/bin/sh; make build-tools cc -O -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/usr/src/bin/sh -Wall -Wformat -c /usr/src/bin/sh/mkinit.c cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 Only people with dodgy memory or cache (probably memory). Or

linux emulation patch committed to -current - recompile linux module

2000-04-26 Thread Matthew Dillon
The linux emulation patch has been committed to -current, you must recompile your linux emulation kld. This patch will be MFC'd to 4.x on Friday. -Matt Matthew Dillon

Workaround for hanging on exit: patch for review

2000-04-26 Thread Andrey A. Chernov
I often notice processes hanging forever on exit's ttywait when TCP connection dropped. Here is a patch I plan to commit which restrict waiting for output drain by 3 minutes. Any comments, improvements or objections? --- kern_exit.c.bak Sun Apr 16 23:35:55 2000 +++ kern_exit.c Thu Apr 27

Re: Workaround for hanging on exit: patch for review

2000-04-26 Thread Matthew Dillon
:I often notice processes hanging forever on exit's ttywait when TCP :connection dropped. Here is a patch I plan to commit which restrict :waiting for output drain by 3 minutes. Any comments, improvements or :objections? : :--- kern_exit.c.bakSun Apr 16 23:35:55 2000 :+++ kern_exit.c

Re: NAT tutorial?

2000-04-26 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Jason, This is really a -questions question, not a -current question. On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Jason Mitchell wrote: Does anyone know of a tutorial or more detailed instructions on how to use NAT and IP masquerading in 3.4? "IP masquerading" is what the linux people call NAT. They are the

Re: cc1 sig 11'ing recently?

2000-04-26 Thread Matthew Jacob
Thanks to all who mentioned failing memory- I don't think this was the case. Installing a new source tree on a local directory instead of building on top of NFS mounted /usr/src worked for me. It's not clear what to make of this. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: Workaround for hanging on exit: patch for review

2000-04-26 Thread Andrey A. Chernov
On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 02:22:47PM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: :I often notice processes hanging forever on exit's ttywait when TCP I think this is a good idea. I've seen processes stuck in ttywait forever too, usually when I'm using cu and the remote end is spewing all sorts

Re: Workaround for hanging on exit: patch for review

2000-04-26 Thread Andrey A. Chernov
There is a number of places this may occurse and all of them have no timeout by default. F.e. if some terminal shell hangs in exit's ttywait, comsat hangs on ttywrite and lots of comsats appearse after several hours. Alternative solution will be adding tp-t_timeout = 180 * hz;

Re: PATCH: Removal of unneeded sys/kernel.h

2000-04-26 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 26 April 2000 at 11:50:11 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: New patch at: http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/sys_kernel_h.patch This patch removes 67 unneeded instances of #include sys/kernel.h Comments, tests and reviews please. Have you checked that there are no references which are

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread Will Andrews
On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:27:22PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: Why would "The Project" have to do anything? We've already established this is of minority appeal, Have we? Really? We have established that this is of minority It seems to me that the typical assumption is that if

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Apr-00 Richard Wackerbarth wrote: On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, you wrote: Any further discussion from you on this point that doesn't include code is totally and completely without value. You haven't proven the value of your suggestion to _anyone's_ satisfaction, so no one is going to do

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread Richard Wackerbarth
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, you wrote: *Bzzzt*. Wrong. You only get the old history during the intial cvsup. And since the most recent revisions are stored at the beginning of an RCS file, you don't pay for this on cvs operations except for 'cvs log' and other operations dealing with the

Re: Archive pruning

2000-04-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 27-Apr-00 Richard Wackerbarth wrote: On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, you wrote: *Bzzzt*. Wrong. You only get the old history during the intial cvsup. And since the most recent revisions are stored at the beginning of an RCS file, you don't pay for this on cvs operations except for 'cvs log' and

Re: Problems configuring Vadem VG-469 PCMCIA controller.

2000-04-26 Thread Warner Losh
In message Pine.BSF.4.21.0004251617200.303-10@localhost Dave Belfer-Shevett writes: : Vendor ID AEI0218 (0x1802a904), Serial Number 0x01234567 You'll have to add this ID to the list of IDs in the pcic driver for 4.0. I'll try to do this when I get back if you can wait. And if you can't

DEVFS - what's happening with it?

2000-04-26 Thread Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS SPS Perth
Haven't seen any discussion for quite some time. The Linux people seem to be getting into a lather about it as well. Rehashing the issues like device persistence, et cetera. Is anyone doodling around with a sysctlfs? Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS

Re: PATCH: Removal of unneeded sys/kernel.h

2000-04-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Lehey writes: On Wednesday, 26 April 2000 at 11:50:11 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: New patch at: http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/sys_kernel_h.patch This patch removes 67 unneeded instances of #include sys/kernel.h Comments, tests and reviews please. Have

Archive pruning - some #s

2000-04-26 Thread John W. DeBoskey
Hi, I've been idly watching this thread and decided to check a few numbers Is it truly worth pruning? I mirror the freebsd repository, mail archives, and www site locally: size 1.9Gig. time 4:48minabout 2/5 gig per minute ie: it takes about 5 minutes for the

Re: cc1 sig 11'ing recently?

2000-04-26 Thread Adam
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Ron Klinkien wrote: Any getting these too? ild-tools cd /usr/src/bin/sh; make build-tools cc -O -pipe -DSHELL -I. -I/usr/src/bin/sh -Wall -Wformat -c /usr/src/bin/sh/mkinit.c cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 Only people with

Support for large mfs

2000-04-26 Thread John W. DeBoskey
Hi, Today, we tried to create a 5Gig mfs. It turns out this is not such a good idea. It turns out that support is basically limited to an int. Extracts from some of the appropriate files show some of the problems... newfs.c: int fssize; /* file system size */