Re: rc.d startup scripts

2000-05-09 Thread Doug Barton
Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2000, Doug Barton wrote: I'm going to reply to the system part of this too, replies to this thread should split off to -current. I have a design in mind for a new rc system that uses scripts with "start, stop, status" operators to both upgrade

Re: rc.d startup scripts

2000-05-09 Thread Doug Barton
Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: Just curious, but wouldn't this be FreeSVR4??? :-) I'm going to assume that the smiley means you're joking, but I hope that we can stick to discussing this plan on its merits, rather than rejecting it out of hand because it's like something that someone

Re: Small MAKEDEV bug

2000-05-09 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 08 May 2000 18:56:03 -0400, "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" wrote: Now it's a question of "the UNIX way" vs. convenience/userfriendlyness :-) I don't agree. I think this is an issue of avoiding changes that unnecessarily astonish existing users. If you can find ways to improve MAKEDEV

Re: Small MAKEDEV bug

2000-05-09 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 09 May 2000 10:26:05 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: I don't agree. I think this is an issue of avoiding changes that unnecessarily astonish existing users. If you can find ways to improve MAKEDEV that don't inconvenience those already familiar with it, great. If your improvements

Re: MAKEDEV warning with sysinstall ?

2000-05-09 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 08 May 2000 15:41:55 EST, Erik de Zeeuw wrote: I ran MAKEDEV all, but the message still appear. The messages I found about this on the archives says to do a 'ls -l /dev | grep ^b', and to remake all devices listed, but there's no device listed when I'm doing the 'ls -l /dev | grep

Re: rc.d startup scripts

2000-05-09 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 08 May 2000 23:53:16 MST, Doug Barton wrote: Eivind Eklund made a prototype some time back which addressed this issue - you'd do well to take a look at that one first before reinventing the wheel :) Point well taken. If anyone has references to this work, or an easy

Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks

2000-05-09 Thread Alan Cox
About two days ago, I tested a machine with four IDE drives each on its own cable as the master. All four drives were: ad0: 29311MB Maxtor 53073U6 [59554/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA66 I used the motherboard controller to support two of the drives. It was a atapci0: Intel ICH ATA66

Re: Small MAKEDEV bug

2000-05-09 Thread Bruce Evans
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 06:56:03PM -0400, Jeroen C. van Gelderen wrote: I don't buy it :-). This syntax is similar to a special case of the syntax of jot(1). It's better to use jot(1) directly, e.g.: MAKEDEV $(jot -w da 2 0)#

Re: LINT broken. (in_cksum changes)

2000-05-09 Thread Nick Hibma
Appart from that, ipf does not load as a kld anymore. And probably, not tried, the IPFILTER option in any kernel would break the build as well. Nick On Mon, 8 May 2000, Wes Morgan wrote: I sent a note to the committer on these last night. LINT must need some modification, because the error

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-09 Thread Bruce Evans
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Warner Losh wrote: Leaving aside the 'r' question for the moment... Should that be sa or ast? sa is the scsi device for any tape device (formerly st or mt), while ast is for ide/atapi based tape drives. It should be ssa and asa, of course :-). The wt and wst devices

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet tcp.h tcp_input.c tcp_output.c tcp_timer.ctcp_var.h

2000-05-09 Thread Igor Timkin
[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] Jonathan Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] _crivait (wrote) : jlemon 2000/05/05 20:31:10 PDT Modified files: sys/netinet tcp.h tcp_input.c tcp_output.c tcp_timer.c tcp_var.h Log:

Re: MAKEDEV warning with sysinstall ?

2000-05-09 Thread Chris D. Faulhaber
On Tue, 9 May 2000, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Mon, 08 May 2000 15:41:55 EST, Erik de Zeeuw wrote: I ran MAKEDEV all, but the message still appear. The messages I found about this on the archives says to do a 'ls -l /dev | grep ^b', and to remake all devices listed, but there's no

Re: rc.d startup scripts

2000-05-09 Thread Narvi
Errrmmm Really, did you check the archives for the issue? There used to be a real long thread on why/why not sysV style init scripts. It produced not one but several flamewars iirc 8-) In short - if we change from the present scheme, we want something better than just stop and restart

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 08:54:50PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: wst and ast are weird names. Doesn't the "s" in them stand for "SCSI" and not "streaming", so wst is the so-called-Winchester (non-SCSI) SCSI It does to me. But McKusick's mail I forwarded says "s" was for "streaming". -- --

Re: a better idea for package dependencies

2000-05-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 06:30:17PM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: Actually, it has to do with the pkg_ commands, which I believe are built when you make world... yes. and aren't part of the ports, And are only used for Ports. Thus their behavior defines the behavior of the Ports

Re: rc.d startup scripts

2000-05-09 Thread Tony Finch
Doug Barton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point well taken. If anyone has references to this work, or an easy introduction to netbsd's version I'd love to look at them. There's useful stuff in the rc(8) and rcorder(8) manual pages, but I can't find any more convenient copies of them other

Re: rc.d startup scripts

2000-05-09 Thread Will Andrews
On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 11:53:16PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: Point well taken. If anyone has references to this work, or an easy introduction to netbsd's version I'd love to look at them. I've been hoping to carve out some time to work on this, but every time I talk about vacation, my

Re: rc.d startup scripts

2000-05-09 Thread Kenneth Wayne Culver
Just curious, but wouldn't this be FreeSVR4??? :-) I'm going to assume that the smiley means you're joking, but I hope that we can stick to discussing this plan on its merits, rather than rejecting it out of hand because it's like something that someone else is doing. Yeah, I

Re: LINT broken. (in_cksum changes)

2000-05-09 Thread MIHIRA Yoshiro
On Sun, 7 May 2000, Nick Hibma wrote: Is it only me that ever compiles LINT? The checksum changes went in a few days ago. Please, people, when you move code around or change a function that is used in more than a fixed set of files, compile LINT. If unsure, compile

Re: rc.d startup scripts

2000-05-09 Thread Doug Barton
Will Andrews wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 11:53:16PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: Point well taken. If anyone has references to this work, or an easy introduction to netbsd's version I'd love to look at them. I've been hoping to carve out some time to work on this, but every time I

Re: rc.d startup scripts

2000-05-09 Thread Doug Barton
Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: Yeah, I was just joking, I kinda like some things about SVR4, but I still think it would be nice to keep the option of using some of the regular rc scripts that we have now. Imagine the confusion of the people that have ONLY used FreeBSD when they go in and see

Re: LINT broken. (in_cksum changes)

2000-05-09 Thread Jonathan Lemon
On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 01:49:51AM +0900, MIHIRA Yoshiro wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2000, Nick Hibma wrote: Is it only me that ever compiles LINT? The checksum changes went in a few days ago. Please, people, when you move code around or change a function that is used in

Re: a better idea for package dependencies

2000-05-09 Thread Adam
On Tue, 9 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 06:30:17PM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: Actually, it has to do with the pkg_ commands, which I believe are built when you make world... yes. and aren't part of the ports, And are only used for Ports. Thus their

Re: a better idea for package dependencies

2000-05-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 01:23:09PM -0400, Adam wrote: And are only used for Ports. Thus their behavior defines the behavior of the Ports Collection. Thus it is a Ports issue. IF the pkg_* utils were ports, how would you install them?? Am I missing something? I thought ports only need

Re: rc.d startup scripts

2000-05-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 12:12:44PM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: Yeah, I was just joking, I kinda like some things about SVR4, but I still think it would be nice to keep the option of using some of the regular rc scripts that we have now. What I am prosing aguments what we have today (in

Re: a better idea for package dependencies

2000-05-09 Thread Garrett Wollman
On Tue, 9 May 2000 10:29:12 -0700, "David O'Brien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Packages (ie, those things that pkg_{create,add,delete,info} operate on are created with in /usr/ports. Not necessarily, and certainly not in the very beginning. I remember a number of times seeing a third-party

tcp/ip broken?

2000-05-09 Thread Jason J. Horton
Did a cvsup on saturday, make world etc and now TCP/IP networking seems to be broken. dmesg shows the devices, ifconfig configs everything without error, but cant ping, telnet, ssh etc off of the server. Even set up PPP with the same results. Downside to this is that I cannot cvsup to something

Re: a better idea for package dependencies

2000-05-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 01:36:03PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: Not necessarily, and certainly not in the very beginning. I remember a number of times seeing a third-party software vendor who provided their product in that form, just as many third-party vendors now ship *.rpm files (and

Re: tcp/ip broken?

2000-05-09 Thread Paul Saab
Update your source again. This has been fixed. paul Jason J. Horton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Did a cvsup on saturday, make world etc and now TCP/IP networking seems to be broken. dmesg shows the devices, ifconfig configs everything without error, but cant ping, telnet, ssh etc off of the

Re: proposed pkg_delete change

2000-05-09 Thread Doug Rabson
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Mike Pritchard wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 02:10:28AM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: I have a suggestion for pkg_delete: Very often when I'm deleting a package (such as kde, after testing the port) I want to delete that package, and all it's dependancies;

Re: a better idea for package dependencies

2000-05-09 Thread Adam
On Tue, 9 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 01:23:09PM -0400, Adam wrote: And are only used for Ports. Thus their behavior defines the behavior of the Ports Collection. Thus it is a Ports issue. IF the pkg_* utils were ports, how would you install them?? Am I

Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks

2000-05-09 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [2509 11:20], Alan Cox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In summary, same disks, three different controllers, problems only occur with the Highpoint controller. (I believe the Abit BP6 uses the Highpoint controller.) It does. It might be worthwhile to note that there are updates of the BP6

Re: a better idea for package dependencies

2000-05-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 03:24:25PM -0400, Adam wrote: I cant comment on the complexity of registering a port as an installed package because I havent read the code, but it doesnt look too complex according to whats in /var/db/pkg... perhaps more makefile things could be done to register a

Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks

2000-05-09 Thread Ted Sikora
Greg Lehey wrote: On Monday, 8 May 2000 at 9:57:54 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not all non IBM disks has problems, that was not the message back then, at least not from me. What I said, and still says, is that Maxtor and WDC has a bad reputation on making drives that can't work

Re: a better idea for package dependencies

2000-05-09 Thread Adam
On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 03:24:25PM -0400, Adam wrote: I cant comment on the complexity of registering a port as an installed package because I havent read the code, but it doesnt look too complex according to whats in /var/db/pkg... perhaps more makefile things could be done to register a

Re: rc.d startup scripts

2000-05-09 Thread Kenneth Wayne Culver
Yeah, I was just joking, I kinda like some things about SVR4, but I still think it would be nice to keep the option of using some of the regular rc scripts that we have now. Imagine the confusion of the people that have ONLY used FreeBSD when they go in and see rc.d and all it's

Re: proposed pkg_delete change

2000-05-09 Thread Kenneth Wayne Culver
Yeah, but some ports and projects don't have the same beginning to their names which prompted me to make my suggestion. = | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around.| | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #:

Compilation Question

2000-05-09 Thread Simon Shapiro
Hi Y'll A kernel source file that compiles flawlessly on RELEG_3, gives (among many others, these warnings: cc -c -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wm issing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ans i -nostdinc -I- -I.

unknown: PNP...

2000-05-09 Thread Christian Weisgerber
I just updated an i386 machine after a month to the latest 5.0-CURRENT, and I now get some strange boot messages: isa0: too many memory ranges ... unknown0: PNP at port 0x20-0x21,0xa0-0xa1 irq 2 on isa0 unknown1: PNP0200 at port 0-0xf,0x81-0x83,0x87,0x89-0x8b,0x8f-0x91,0xc0-0xdf drq 4 on

Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks

2000-05-09 Thread Ted Sikora
Alan Cox wrote: About two days ago, I tested a machine with four IDE drives each on its own cable as the master. All four drives were: ad0: 29311MB Maxtor 53073U6 [59554/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA66 I used the motherboard controller to support two of the drives. It was a

One more question (different now)

2000-05-09 Thread Simon Shapiro
Hi Again, Since you were so kind to me, I will impose another one on you (the previous answers were _all_ correct! ) Given: typedef struct junk { ... } junk_t volatile junk_t trash; What I want to do is zero out trash. bzero(trash, sizeof(junk_t)); produces a warning about loss of

One more question (different now)

2000-05-09 Thread Garrett Wollman
On Tue, 09 May 2000 19:08:21 -0400 (EDT), Simon Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: So does: bzero((void *)trash, sizeof(junk_t)); So, how do I make everyone happy? Put a comment on that line indicating that a warning is expected. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all

Re: One more question (different now)

2000-05-09 Thread Mike Smith
The only answer I've seen for this one is to kick, hard, whoever it was that added -Wcast-qual to the kernel options. Or write your own, suboptimal, bzero code. Hi Again, Since you were so kind to me, I will impose another one on you (the previous answers were _all_ correct! ) Given:

Re: a better idea for package dependencies

2000-05-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 05:01:02PM -0400, Adam wrote: Since you claim superior knowledge about ports than me, I wont bother explaining it. I'm only trying to satisfy your original question. " IF the pkg_* utils were ports, how would you install them??" I said that to make you think

Re: One more question (different now)

2000-05-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 04:27:10PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: The only answer I've seen for this one is to kick, hard, whoever it was that added -Wcast-qual to the kernel options. Or we should just delete it from the options. -- -- David([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to

Re: One more question (different now)

2000-05-09 Thread Mike Smith
On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 04:27:10PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: The only answer I've seen for this one is to kick, hard, whoever it was that added -Wcast-qual to the kernel options. Or we should just delete it from the options. Ugh. I don't actually like that, because it serves a valid

Re: One more question (different now)

2000-05-09 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Mike Smith wrote: Ugh. I don't actually like that, because it serves a valid purpose. What irritates me mostly is just that there is no way of casting a volatile object into a non-volatile type, so you can't implement any sort of conditional volatility exclusion. You can however use a

Re: One more question (different now)

2000-05-09 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 7:08 PM -0400 5/9/00, Simon Shapiro wrote: Given: typedef struct junk { ... } junk_t volatile junk_t trash; What I want to do is zero out trash. bzero(trash, sizeof(junk_t)); produces a warning about loss of volatility. So, how do I make everyone happy? Write a 'bzerov' function,

EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE

2000-05-09 Thread Simon Shapiro
Sorry to bother y'll, but; Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be gone. BTW, for all it is worth, any caching controller not using this is guaranteed to lose data. that can range from 4MB to 256MB, all of which the

Re: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE

2000-05-09 Thread Mike Smith
Sorry to bother y'll, but; Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be gone. It's still used in the shutdown code; it was meant to be available for general use elsewhere, but I haven't seen anyone playing with it, so

Re: One more question (different now)

2000-05-09 Thread Simon Shapiro
On 10-May-00 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: Mike Smith wrote: Ugh. I don't actually like that, because it serves a valid purpose. What irritates me mostly is just that there is no way of casting a volatile object into a non-volatile type, so you can't implement any sort of conditional

RE: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE - solved

2000-05-09 Thread Simon Shapiro
Correction to the below message; Figured it out all by myself :-) Thanx! On 10-May-00 Simon Shapiro wrote: Sorry to bother y'll, but; Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be gone. BTW, for all it is worth, any

Re: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE

2000-05-09 Thread Simon Shapiro
On 10-May-00 Mike Smith wrote: Sorry to bother y'll, but; Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be gone. It's still used in the shutdown code; it was meant to be available for general use elsewhere, but I haven't

Re: a better idea for package dependencies

2000-05-09 Thread Chuck Robey
On Tue, 9 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 06:30:17PM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: Actually, it has to do with the pkg_ commands, which I believe are built when you make world... yes. and aren't part of the ports, And are only used for Ports. Thus

Re: One more question (different now)

2000-05-09 Thread Simon Shapiro
On 09-May-00 Mike Smith wrote: On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 04:27:10PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: The only answer I've seen for this one is to kick, hard, whoever it was that added -Wcast-qual to the kernel options. Or we should just delete it from the options. Ugh. I don't actually like

Re: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE

2000-05-09 Thread Mike Smith
On 10-May-00 Mike Smith wrote: Sorry to bother y'll, but; Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be gone. It's still used in the shutdown code; it was meant to be available for general use elsewhere, but

Re: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE

2000-05-09 Thread Peter Wemm
Simon Shapiro wrote: On 10-May-00 Mike Smith wrote: Sorry to bother y'll, but; Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be gone. It's still used in the shutdown code; it was meant to be available for

Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks

2000-05-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Tuesday, 9 May 2000 at 4:14:01 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: About two days ago, I tested a machine with four IDE drives each on its own cable as the master. All four drives were: ad0: 29311MB Maxtor 53073U6 [59554/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA66 I used the motherboard controller to

Re: unknown: PNP...

2000-05-09 Thread Trent Nelson
Christian Weisgerber wrote: I just updated an i386 machine after a month to the latest 5.0-CURRENT, and I now get some strange boot messages: isa0: too many memory ranges ... unknown0: PNP at port 0x20-0x21,0xa0-0xa1 irq 2 on isa0 unknown1: PNP0200 at port

Re: rc.d startup scripts

2000-05-09 Thread Doug Barton
Narvi wrote: Errrmmm Really, did you check the archives for the issue? There used to be a real long thread on why/why not sysV style init scripts. It produced not one but several flamewars iirc 8-) In short - if we change from the present scheme, we want something better than just