Re: ACPI project progress report

2000-06-20 Thread Maxim Sobolev
Mike Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 05:01:46PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Andrew Reilly" writes: : That sounds way too hard. Why not restrict suspend activity to : user-level processes and bring the kernel/drivers back up through : a regular boot

Re: fsck wrappers

2000-06-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Anatoly Vorobey writes: On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 01:42:33PM +0200, Adrian Chadd wrote: * the rest of the system treats ffs filesystems as "ufs". Besides the fact that I dislike this, I decided against the NetBSD way of Isn't it time, anyway, to fix this? This

Re: SMP locking primities (was Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development)

2000-06-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Am I the only person who miss a brief document which tells what the outcome of the meeting was ? Can we get to see the slides ? Audio ? Video ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD coreteam member | BSD since

Re: fsck wrappers

2000-06-20 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Tue, Jun 20, 2000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Anatoly Vorobey writes: On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 01:42:33PM +0200, Adrian Chadd wrote: * the rest of the system treats ffs filesystems as "ufs". Besides the fact that I dislike this, I decided against the

Re: SMP locking primities (was Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development)

2000-06-20 Thread Martin Cracauer
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Am I the only person who miss a brief document which tells what the outcome of the meeting was ? Who was there, anyway? Martin -- % Martin Cracauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ACPI project progress report

2000-06-20 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 05:40:30PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: The real issue here is persistent system state across the S4 suspend; ie. leaving applications open, etc. IMO this isn't really something worth a lot of effort to us, and it has a lot of additional complications for a

Re: ACPI project progress report

2000-06-20 Thread Chris Fedde
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:27:08 +0300 Maxim Sobolev wrote: +-- | Mike Smith wrote: | | The real issue here is persistent system state across the S4 suspend; ie. | leaving applications open, etc. IMO this isn't really something worth a | lot of effort to us, and it has a

Re: fsck wrappers

2000-06-20 Thread Bruce Evans
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Adrian Chadd wrote: Watching my machine boot, the parallel nature of this fsck is now confusing the output, eg: Automatic reboot in progress... ** /dev/ad0s1a ** Last Mounted on / ** Root file system ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes de0: enabling 10baseT port

Re: -e option to umount?

2000-06-20 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
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Re: fsck wrappers

2000-06-20 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Tue, Jun 20, 2000, Bruce Evans wrote: On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Adrian Chadd wrote: Watching my machine boot, the parallel nature of this fsck is now confusing the output, eg: Automatic reboot in progress... ** /dev/ad0s1a ** Last Mounted on / ** Root file system ** Phase 1 -

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Re: Updated kame tarball (oops)

2000-06-20 Thread Mark Huizer
On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 06:26:15PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: I accidentally left out a bunch of files from my previous kame patch - the corrected version is at http://www.freebsd.org/~kris/kame.tar.gz - the same caveats apply as before. Extract that tarball in /usr/src/sys and apply the

Re: Updated kame tarball (oops)

2000-06-20 Thread Alexander Langer
Thus spake Mark Huizer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): the stf is unknown when running config but well :-) But I'll try to compile a kernel this way It's also unknown in our current tree, though stf(4) does exist. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to

SMP discussion moving to freebsd-smp

2000-06-20 Thread Matthew Dillon
All SMP/FreeBSD/BSDI work should move to the freebsd-smp list. (I've BCC'd this to -current). -- I now have mutexes 99% working in an SP build. I will be making SP (single processor) patch sets available tonight or tomorrow morning. (99% == I can boot the machine

Re: SMP locking primities (was Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development)

2000-06-20 Thread Julian Elischer
Martin Cracauer wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Am I the only person who miss a brief document which tells what the outcome of the meeting was ? Who was there, anyway? Yeah, those of us who couldn't make it are kinda (to say the least) interested in what was

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Evans writes: : Summary: -current will be destabilized for an extended period (on the order : of months). A tag (not a branch) will be laid down before the initial : checkin, and non-developers should either stick closely to that tag until : the kernel

Re: SMP locking primities (was Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development)

2000-06-20 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : Am I the only person who miss a brief document which tells what : the outcome of the meeting was ? : : Can we get to see the slides ? : : Audio ? : : Video ? I know that I'd love to see this. Steve Passe also is interested. Warner

Re: SMP locking primities (was Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due toSMP development)

2000-06-20 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Warner Losh wrote: I know that I'd love to see this. Steve Passe also is interested. I heard that Greg Lehey was videotaping (he's currently at usenix) and someone else had slides they were going to make available. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an

Re: FOLLOWING config changes? : Kernel profiling support

2000-06-20 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Hermit Hacker writes: : : that did her, thanks ... should this maybe be mentioned in : /usr/src/UPDATING? I've gotten into the habit of pretty much checking : there first, and saw no mention of this (could be blind too, its happened : before) ... The new hints

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Warner Losh writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Evans writes: : Summary: -current will be destabilized for an extended period (on the order : of months). A tag (not a branch) will be laid down before the initial : checkin, and non-developers should either

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : I think core has approved in principle, and several core members : were present at the meeting (at least peter, dg, gibbs, dfr), that : being said, I think we need to see some more concrete info before : we pull the lever, just so we know

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Warner Losh writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : I think core has approved in principle, and several core members : were present at the meeting (at least peter, dg, gibbs, dfr), that : being said, I think we need to see some more concrete

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Matthew Dillon
:: the kernel stabilizes, or expect large doses of pain. This tag will be :: laid down as soon as June 26, 00:00 PST, with a minimum 24 hour warning :: beforehand. : :Thanks for the fair warning. Now don't do it. Has core approved :this? I don't think so, I've seen nothign from them about

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Jacques A . Vidrine
On Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 08:49:27PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: So: No I don't like -current being toast anymore than you do, but I don't think there is a viable alternative. Not even a seperate repository, as was done (briefly) for newbus? Of course, maybe that was done so briefly

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Dillon writes: : The problem is that the changes are simply too extensive to be able : be able to split them off then merge them back into 5.x N months later. : Creating another branch will tripple the workload on anyone doing : merge work.

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Brian Somers
What about doing the changes on a branch with the understanding that the branch will *replace* HEAD when it stabilises ? This sounds odd at first glance, but it means that others are forced to MFC into the smp branch - if they don't they lose. Anybody that's not confident to be able to merge

Re: SMP locking primities (was Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development)

2000-06-20 Thread Jonathan Lemon
In article local.mail.freebsd-current/[EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Am I the only person who miss a brief document which tells what the outcome of the meeting was ? I believe that Jason Evans already sent a message summarizing the meeting, and Matt Dillon's webpage gives a pretty good summary of

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Somers writes: What about doing the changes on a branch with the understanding that the branch will *replace* HEAD when it stabilises ? "CVS branches suck" is the reason I belive. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: SMP locking primities (was Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development)

2000-06-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan Lemon writes: In article local.mail.freebsd-current/[EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Am I the only person who miss a brief document which tells what the outcome of the meeting was ? I believe that Jason Evans already sent a message summarizing the meeting, and

make.conf fix

2000-06-20 Thread Will Andrews
Hi -current and -ports, I've noticed something that seems to have been broken for a long time. In etc/defaults/make.conf we have several MASTER_SITE_* variables which reference "%SUBDIR%". However, these variables do not work as expected. So we must fix this discrepancy with the following

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Thomas David Rivers
What about doing the changes on a branch with the understanding that the branch will *replace* HEAD when it stabilises ? This sounds odd at first glance, but it means that others are forced to MFC into the smp branch - if they don't they lose. Anybody that's not confident to be able

mount_nfs/df bug?

2000-06-20 Thread Alexander Langer
Hello! Today I wanted to add a new NFS to my /etc/fstab, but forgot to add it to /etc/exports on the server. However, I did mount -a several times and always got a "Permission denied" for the last one. Now look what I have here: Filesystem 1K-blocks UsedAvail Capacity

Re: mount_nfs/df bug?

2000-06-20 Thread Alexander Langer
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Re: make buildworld failed...

2000-06-20 Thread Marc Schneiders
On 19 Jun 2000, Eric Jacoboni wrote: "Sergey" == Sergey Osokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sergey Hello! Sergey After CVSuped my source, i try to buildworld and it failed... Sergey === libssh (...) Sergey /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/openssl/evp.h:99: openssl/idea.h: No such file

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Nick Hibma
Although I would not like to put it as strongly as Warner does, I would like to ask how the decision makers expect the rest of the project to progress (the other 30 or so kernel committers) in a reasonable, not too time consuming way. Will there be a general mechanism for making patchsets

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Brian Somers
What about doing the changes on a branch with the understanding that the branch will *replace* HEAD when it stabilises ? This sounds odd at first glance, but it means that others are forced to MFC into the smp branch - if they don't they lose. Anybody that's not confident to

Re: ACPI project progress report

2000-06-20 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Narvi writes: : You obviously haven't considered the ability to be able to near hot-swap : motherboard and cpu - or even RAM - in this way. The ACPI spec specifically states that one cannot disassemble a machine in S4 state and expect the state to be saved on

Re: HEADS UP: Destabilization due to SMP development

2000-06-20 Thread Mike Meyer
Warner Losh writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Evans writes: : Summary: -current will be destabilized for an extended period (on the order : of months). A tag (not a branch) will be laid down before the initial : checkin, and non-developers should either stick closely to that tag

Re: mount_nfs/df bug?

2000-06-20 Thread Cyrille Lefevre
Alexander Langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Today I wanted to add a new NFS to my /etc/fstab, but forgot to add it to /etc/exports on the server. However, I did mount -a several times and always got a "Permission denied" for the last one. why there isn't an exportfs command as most unices

Re: make buildworld failed...

2000-06-20 Thread Mikko Tyolajarvi
In local.freebsd-current you write: On 19 Jun 2000, Eric Jacoboni wrote: "Sergey" == Sergey Osokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sergey Hello! Sergey After CVSuped my source, i try to buildworld and it failed... Sergey === libssh (...) Sergey

Re: smbfs second mount

2000-06-20 Thread Boris Popov
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, kit wrote: On Freebsd 4.0-Release I am trying the smbfs-1.2.1 to mount a couple of NT shares so that I can read some files and copy them to a web server. The problem I am having is that the second mount kills the first. Ok, this problem fixed along with

Re: smbfs second mount

2000-06-20 Thread Boris Popov
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: Out of curiosity, are there any plans to commit the smbfs stuff? It is really useful and I'd love to see it in the base system. Yes, I'm get much more responses about smbfs compared to nwfs. So, probably it should be in the base

Re: mount_nfs/df bug?

2000-06-20 Thread Ben Smithurst
Alexander Langer wrote: neutron:/usr/home/ncvs 992439 9606843175597%/usr/home/ncvs neutron:/usr/home/mp3 9591515 9298876 29263997%/usr/home/mp3 neutron:/usr/home/brenn 695311 5948384484993%/usr/home/brenn neutron:/usr/home/ncvs

Re: ACPI project progress report

2000-06-20 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Smith writes: : The real issue here is persistent system state across the S4 suspend; ie. : leaving applications open, etc. IMO this isn't really something worth a : lot of effort to us, and it has a lot of additional complications for a : "server-class"

Re: ACPI project progress report

2000-06-20 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 12:47:38PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bjoern Fischer writes: : Just a moment. You talk about doing a `Save-to-Disk' (incl. system halt), : turning power off, maybe adding some hardware or moving the machine : to another location, then

Re: ACPI project progress report

2000-06-20 Thread Narvi
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Josef Karthauser wrote: On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 05:40:30PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: The real issue here is persistent system state across the S4 suspend; ie. leaving applications open, etc. IMO this isn't really something worth a lot of effort to us, and it has

Re: ACPI project progress report

2000-06-20 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bjoern Fischer writes: : Just a moment. You talk about doing a `Save-to-Disk' (incl. system halt), : turning power off, maybe adding some hardware or moving the machine : to another location, then switching on again, restoring the system context, : and the machine

Re: ACPI project progress report

2000-06-20 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Daniel C. Sobral" writes: : Mitsuru IWASAKI wrote: : : - support S2, S3, S4 (hibernation) sleeping transition. S4 sleep : require some hack in boot loader needs help. : : I thought hibernation was entirely controlled by kernel? What do you : need? You

Re: HEADS UP!: config changes...

2000-06-20 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Andrzej Bialecki wrote: This thread is long, so maybe I missed something.. Can we have the *.hints file loadable as a module of some special type (like kernel.conf), and searched for during configuration like userconfig did? Funny you got no reply. This is not necessary. If you copy said

Re: mktemp() patch

2000-06-20 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Peter Jeremy wrote: On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 02:41:12AM +1000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Mind you, shells don't have problems with any character at all in a filename if they are properly written, but if you are expecting the filenames generated by mktemp() to be handled by shell, they ought to

Re: ACPI project progress report

2000-06-20 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mitsuru IWASAKI writes: : Hi, here is the latest report on our ACPI project's progress. As I told you on the Train in Tokyo: Cool! Way Cool! ACPI should enable us to properly put the chipsets in laptops to sleep and then wake them up

Re: ACPI project progress report

2000-06-20 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Daniel C. Sobral" writes: : BTW, have you decided between NetBSD and BSD/OS cardbus code yet? No. There is no BSD/OS cardbus card that I could find in the tree. If I'm being insanely blind, please someone tell me. The short term plan is to get NEWCARD working and