Re: /usr/local misuse (Was: Confusing error messages from shell image activation)

2000-12-10 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Meyer writes: : I know. Unfortunately, support for PREFIX seems to draw more lip : service than actual service. Actually, which ports, specically, doesn't this work with? I've installed several ports with PREFIX defined to something odd and have had minimal

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fxp driver not reset after Windows reboot?

2000-12-10 Thread Mark Huizer
Hello, On my VAIO laptop, I have trouble rebooting directly from Windows to FreeBSD (luckily enough I don't run Windows that often :-) I tried to look at the driver code, but it looks to me like it is doing resets when attaching the fxp driver, but somehow, Windows has left it in the state where

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Mike Meyer wrote: Rant second: FreeBSD *violates* years of traditions with it's treatment of /usr/local. /usr/local is for *local* things, not add-on software packages! Coopting /usr/local for non-local software creates needless complexity and confusion, which of course leads to needless

Re: write(2) returns error saying read only filesystem when tryingto write to a partition

2000-12-10 Thread Bruce Evans
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: | Partition table | Data| | Slice 1 | Slice 2 | Slice 3 | Slice 4 | | Disklabel | Data | |

Re: possibly related data point - (was) Re: Current Broken!

2000-12-10 Thread Bruce Evans
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a constraints expert either, but I noticed that when I try to build a kernel WITHOUT any optimization, I get a failure in /usr/src/sys/i386/atomic.h . # make atomic.o cc -c -O0 -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs ...

RE: possibly related data point - (was) Re: Current Broken!

2000-12-10 Thread Bruce Evans
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, John Baldwin wrote: On 08-Dec-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I'm not a constraints expert either, but I noticed that when I try to build a kernel WITHOUT any optimization, I get a failure in /usr/src/sys/i386/atomic.h . Compiling a kernel with anything

Re: /usr/local misuse (Was: Confusing error messages from shell image activation)

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Meyer writes: : I know. Unfortunately, support for PREFIX seems to draw more lip : service than actual service. Actually, which ports, specically, doesn't this work with? I've installed several ports with PREFIX defined

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Garrett Wollman
[Please watch your carbon copies!] On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 09:37:53 -0600 (CST), Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: However, FreeBSD is still the only vendor distribution I know of that installs software in /usr/local. That's the problem - software that comes from the vendor doesn't belong in

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Daniel C. Sobral [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: Mike Meyer wrote: Rant second: FreeBSD *violates* years of traditions with it's treatment of /usr/local. /usr/local is for *local* things, not add-on software packages! Coopting /usr/local for non-local software creates needless complexity and

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Garrett Wollman [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 09:37:53 -0600 (CST), Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: However, FreeBSD is still the only vendor distribution I know of that installs software in /usr/local. That's the problem - software that comes from the vendor doesn't

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Joe Kelsey
Mike Meyer writes: If memory serves (and it may not at this remove), /usr/local/bin wasn't on my path until I started using VAXen, meaning there were few or no packages installing in /usr/local on v6 v7 on the 11s. If you remember v6 and v7, then please enumerate the packages which

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Brian Dean
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 10:13:42AM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: Whether or not it's part of FreeBSD is immaterial. It's part of the distribution that comes from FreeBSD, and is treated differentlyh from locally installed software (whether written locally or by a third party) in every case

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Nat Lanza
Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether or not it's part of FreeBSD is immaterial. It's part of the distribution that comes from FreeBSD, and is treated differentlyh from locally installed software (whether written locally or by a third party) in every case *except* where it installs -

Package installation location

2000-12-10 Thread Forrest Aldrich
Within the scope of this problem, would it not be simple to code in a configuration diretive in the build process, such that a simple entry in /etc/make.conf would tell the ports build where to install ($prefix)? Then, the local admin can make that decision.. whether or not to default to

/usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Joe Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: Mike Meyer writes: If memory serves (and it may not at this remove), /usr/local/bin wasn't on my path until I started using VAXen, meaning there were few or no packages installing in /usr/local on v6 v7 on the 11s. If you remember v6 and v7, then

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Brooks Davis
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 09:37:53AM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: Interesting. What other OS distribution put things that went into /usr/local on their distribution media? I'm fairly sure that some of the software distributed by SGI on their unsupported free software media does this. -- Brooks --

Re: Package installation location

2000-12-10 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 07:16:15PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Forrest Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Within the scope of this problem, would it not be simple to code in a configuration diretive in the build process, such that a simple entry in /etc/make.conf would tell the ports

Re: Package installation location

2000-12-10 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Forrest Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Within the scope of this problem, would it not be simple to code in a configuration diretive in the build process, such that a simple entry in /etc/make.conf would tell the ports build where to install ($prefix)? You're about six years late. The ports

Re: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?

2000-12-10 Thread Edwin Culp
Actually, I need to create a local wireless backbone between 8 seperate buildings in a small campus area that will share an sdsl internet connection through our freebsd server. The new intel pro wireless 2100 seems to address all of our issues, at least according to the intel webpage. :-) They

Re: Package installation location

2000-12-10 Thread Forrest Aldrich
Haha... okay, then what's the argument about. You're about six years late. The ports system has used $PREFIX for precisely this purpose since October 1994. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current"

Re: Package installation location

2000-12-10 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Forrest Aldrich writes: : Haha... okay, then what's the argument about. People being too lazy to say PREFIX=/glortz in their /etc/make.conf file. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: Package installation location

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Forrest Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: Haha... okay, then what's the argument about. You're about six years late. The ports system has used $PREFIX for precisely this purpose since October 1994. As Jacques pointed out, you set LOCALBASE in /etc/make.conf. The problem is that *it doesn't

logo_saver in VESA 800x600 mode - syscons kbd freeze

2000-12-10 Thread Peter Pentchev
Hi, I've decided to finally start playing with -current a day or five ago. One of the first experiences was a funny syscons keyboard freeze when using a custom kernel with 'options VESA' and the logo_saver kernel module. The symptoms: after the saver relinquishes control, the keyboard is kind

Re: Package installation location

2000-12-10 Thread Brian Dean
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:02:09PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: The problem is that *it doesn't work*. Well, not very well. Part of it is that it's only given lip service: the porters handbook says "make your ports PREFIX clean"; portlint doesn't do any checking about it. The porters handbook

Re: fxp driver not reset after Windows reboot?

2000-12-10 Thread Cliff Sarginson
Hello I have the self same problem with my nics' Realtek 8139's. But on my '98 machine it is dual bootable with Linux. If I don't power cycle the PC between using windows and Linux my nic's are unusable, gaining a MAC address of as I see yours does. I have found no solution for it

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Brandon D. Valentine
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Brooks Davis wrote: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 09:37:53AM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: Interesting. What other OS distribution put things that went into /usr/local on their distribution media? I'm fairly sure that some of the software distributed by SGI on their unsupported free

Re: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?

2000-12-10 Thread Archie Cobbs
Doug Ambrisko writes: BTW I saw ADDTRON http://www.addtron.com/ has a base station for around $220 that can do 128 bit encryption, has an antenna and is Web administered. I haven't used it but it looks interesting. I've started playing with one of these. It seems to have the interesting

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Brian Dean
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 11:42:38AM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: Ports, on the other hand are installed in /usr/local or /usr/X11R6. What happend to "that's what PREFIX is for"? I was speaking about the default behaviour. If you want the port to go somewhere other than /usr/local, PREFIX or

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Nat Lanza [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether or not it's part of FreeBSD is immaterial. It's part of the distribution that comes from FreeBSD, and is treated differentlyh from locally installed software (whether written locally or by a third party) in

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Blaz Zupan
I think I finally understand what you are complaining about, and that is that PREFIX is not honoured by all ports. If that is your argument, then yes, obviously that should be fixed if possible. But to say that installing ports into /usr/local is somehow wrong, I have to disagree. This is

/usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Joe Kelsey
Mike Meyer writes: Sure, the software in ports/packages aren't part of FreeBSD. Using that to claim they should have the same status or treatment as locally written or maintained software is a rationalization. You are simply wrong in your characterization of /usr/local. As far back as I

Making {open,close,read,tell,seek}dir thread-safe.

2000-12-10 Thread Garrett Wollman
On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:11:39 -0500, Dan Eischen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I started a cleanup of libc to make it thread-safe. Just as a matter of information The seekdir/telldir interface was debated recently by the Austin Group. The Open Group wanted to include it as part of the XSI

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Will Andrews
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 11:14:32AM -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote: You are simply wrong in your characterization of /usr/local. As far back as I can remember, /usr/local has been used for locally installed [...] Pfft. Everyone has their own way of organizing files. There is no right or wrong.

Re: Package installation location

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Brian Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:02:09PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: The problem is that *it doesn't work*. Well, not very well. Part of it is that it's only given lip service: the porters handbook says "make your ports PREFIX clean"; portlint doesn't do any

Re: Package installation location

2000-12-10 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:18:51PM -0500, Brian Dean wrote: LOCALBASE just being the default value for PREFIX. Not just. It is also where dependancies are looked for. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

/usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Joe Kelsey
Joe Kelsey writes: When the BSD started, they tried to distinguish between /usr/local and /usr/public, but that never took hold. Certainly, when GNU distributions started, the FSF very quickly took up the then default (from the long history of standardized distributions in the moderated

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 12:12:59PM -0500, Nat Lanza wrote: Your argument doesn't make much sense to me. It make total sense to me. So if I compile sawfish myself I should install it in /usr/local, but if I install a FreeBSD package for it, it should never go in /usr/local? Correct. Third

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:44:41PM -0500, Brian Dean wrote: I think I finally understand what you are complaining about, Maybe. But to say that installing ports into /usr/local is somehow wrong, I have to disagree. Do you understand why NetBSD Packages (ie, the system they took from us)

Re: Package installation location

2000-12-10 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:42:15PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: My bad - I coined the phrase "LOCALBASE clean" to describe a situation I've seen, without explaining the meaning. You're mudding up things. You want to set LOCALBASE to /usr/foo and ports should be "PREFIX" clean as that is what is

Re: /usr/local misuse (Was: Confusing error messages from shell image activation)

2000-12-10 Thread David O'Brien
On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 09:40:31PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: I always thought ``make PREFIX=/tmp/foo package'' is pretty obvious.. but ... What does the above command do if the port isn't PREFIX clean? Installs the ports's bits into [most likely] /usr/local, cause an error while trying to

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Joe Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: Mike Meyer writes: Sure, the software in ports/packages aren't part of FreeBSD. Using that to claim they should have the same status or treatment as locally written or maintained software is a rationalization. You are simply wrong in your

Re: fxp driver not reset after Windows reboot?

2000-12-10 Thread David Greenman
On my VAIO laptop, I have trouble rebooting directly from Windows to FreeBSD (luckily enough I don't run Windows that often :-) I tried to look at the driver code, but it looks to me like it is doing resets when attaching the fxp driver, but somehow, Windows has left it in the state where it

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:18:51PM -0500, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: My path under IRIX has to include: /usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/bin:/usr/freeware/bin:/usr/gnu/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/bsd:/usr/etc:/usr/gfx That is so bad considering the power it gives you? It only takes 2-3 lines in your dot files

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: This control is part of why it would be nice to have /usr/pkg separate from /usr/local. I've given up on FreeBSD and had to create my own /usr/treats to hold what should have been in /usr/local if the FreeBSD Packages hadn't polluted it. I went the

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Joe Kelsey
David O'Brien writes: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 11:22:17AM -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote: Basically, /usr/local is for anything the local administration wants to officially support. The ports use of this (and by extension, pre-compiled ports (packages)) is thus completely justified. Do

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Joe Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: David O'Brien writes: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 11:22:17AM -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote: Basically, /usr/local is for anything the local administration wants to officially support. The ports use of this (and by extension, pre-compiled ports

PREFIX clean vs. LOCALBASE clean (Was: Package installation location)

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: Wherease "PREFIX clean" means "all installed files are in the PREFIX tree", Correct. I intend "LOCALBASE clean" to mean "all files installed by other ports are looked for in the LOCALBASE tree". If all ports are PREFIX clean, you will have

Re: using mtree in our builds [was: Re: Bootstrapping issues with groff(1)]

2000-12-10 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
David O'Brien wrote: On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 07:59:46PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: The only thing you don't like about mtree is it changing ownership + modes, right? Not only that. Using mtree(1) creates busloads of unnecessary directories. But they're harmless. While I

AGP currently broken

2000-12-10 Thread Justin A. Kolodziej
Hello, It seems the latest update to AGP breaks it. I get link_elf: symbol M_AGP undefined when trying to load it as a module, and a similar message when I try to build it into the kernel during the link. The problem seems to be the change to static MALLOC_DEFINE(M_AGP, "agp", "AGP data

Re: Bootstrapping issues with groff(1)

2000-12-10 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Marcel Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the manpage, if you remove -U it doesn't create new directories or symlinks. At least that's how I interpret it. You interpret it wrong. -U just tells mtree to fix permissions. The canonical way to use the mtree files in /etc/mtree is

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Nate Williams
I'm aware that software was installing itself in /usr/local years before it was installing in /opt. On the other hand, vendor software was installing in /opt years before I ever saw it install in /usr/local. Most vendor software I know pre-dates /opt, and installed itself in /usr/local. I'm

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Nat Lanza
"David O'Brien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, the issue is one of "preciousness". In other words why backup software that I can just do `pkg_add' to get again? Or if I want to easily start from scratch and update all my FreeBSD Packages? This is an entirely reasonable argument; I don't

Re: Bootstrapping issues with groff(1)

2000-12-10 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Marcel Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the manpage, if you remove -U it doesn't create new directories or symlinks. At least that's how I interpret it. You interpret it wrong. -U just tells mtree to fix permissions. The canonical way to use

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Nate Williams
Then again, your quoting of "packages" points up something else - I never saw prepackaged binaries for v6 or v7. I did on SysIII. As a matter of fact, the entire distribution was bundled into separate packets (all of them installed in /usr). :( Or BSD, for that matter. I never encounterd a

Re: logo_saver in VESA 800x600 mode - syscons kbd freeze

2000-12-10 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Peter Pentchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've decided to finally start playing with -current a day or five ago. One of the first experiences was a funny syscons keyboard freeze when using a custom kernel with 'options VESA' and the logo_saver kernel module. Known bug. Please search the

Re: PREFIX clean vs. LOCALBASE clean (Was: Package installation location)

2000-12-10 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:19:12PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: I intend "LOCALBASE clean" to mean "all files installed by other ports are looked for in the LOCALBASE tree". If all ports are PREFIX clean, you will have that. Thus it doens't need to be discussed separately. Using the

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 12:26:38PM -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote: This thread is also about a completely separate issue, which is a deficiency in the package command used on FreeBSD. The basic problem with pkg_add et al., as opposed to, for instance, SVR4 pkgadd, is that it does not allow the

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nate Williams writes: : I'm aware that software was installing itself in /usr/local years : before it was installing in /opt. On the other hand, vendor software : was installing in /opt years before I ever saw it install in : /usr/local. : : Most vendor software

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Crist J. Clark
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:51:25PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 12:26:38PM -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote: [snip] To the extent that NetBSD *forces* the local administrator to use /usr/pkg, I find it contains the same deficiency. Nope. One can ``ln -s /usr/local

Re: panic: vm_pageout_flush: partially dirty page

2000-12-10 Thread Matt Dillon
: Hi, : :ever since this commit: ... : :dillon 2000/11/18 15:06:27 PST : : Modified files: :sys/kern vfs_bio.c vfs_cluster.c vfs_subr.c :... When you created the filesystems on which the history and spool reside, did you use any custom parameters for blocksize,

Re: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?

2000-12-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there a list of wireless pc cards that work (and how well they work) with FreeBSD?? JRS To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Crist J. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:51:25PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 12:26:38PM -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote: To the extent that NetBSD *forces* the local administrator to use /usr/pkg, I find it contains the same deficiency. Nope.

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/pci isa_pci.c

2000-12-10 Thread Chris Faulhaber
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:15:19AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: msmith 2000/12/10 03:15:19 PST Modified files: sys/dev/pci isa_pci.c Log: The ICH2 reports itself as a PCI:ISA bridge, so don't special-case it here. On a related(?) note, my 810 (ICH) hasn't seen

Re: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?

2000-12-10 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" writes: : Is there a list of wireless pc cards that work (and how well they work) : with FreeBSD?? There's /etc/defaults/pccard.conf, which says breifly: Aironet 340/342 Series 11Mbps 802.11 wireless NIC Aironet PC4500 2Mbps

Sony jog dial driver

2000-12-10 Thread Nick Sayer
Attached is a preliminary driver for the Sony jog dial. It's enough that you can create a /dev/jogdial and watch letters come out. It needs a lot of improvement: 1. Use interrupts instead of polling. 2. Present mouse-oriented events instead of letters. 3. Fix the probe routine so that it

Re: PREFIX clean vs. LOCALBASE clean (Was: Package installation location)

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:19:12PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: I intend "LOCALBASE clean" to mean "all files installed by other ports are looked for in the LOCALBASE tree". If all ports are PREFIX clean, you will have that. Thus it doens't need

fix for pageout_flush panic (was Re: panic: vm_pageout_flush: partially dirty page)

2000-12-10 Thread Matt Dillon
: : : Hi, : :ever since this commit: ... : :dillon 2000/11/18 15:06:27 PST : : Modified files: :sys/kern vfs_bio.c vfs_cluster.c vfs_subr.c Hmm. Very odd. It's catching a fully valid file page which is marked partially dirty, less then a kilobyte in size,

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Nate Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: I'm aware that software was installing itself in /usr/local years before it was installing in /opt. On the other hand, vendor software was installing in /opt years before I ever saw it install in /usr/local. Most vendor software I know pre-dates

Re: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?

2000-12-10 Thread Andre Oppermann
Is there any supporting Access Point functionality, eg. using the freebsd server as AP? Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" writes: : Is there a list of wireless pc cards that work (and how well they work) : with FreeBSD?? There's

Re: panic: vm_pageout_flush: partially dirty page

2000-12-10 Thread Matt Dillon
Phillipp, could you do me a favor and try this patch instead of removing the KASSERT? That is, keep the original KASSERT, apply this patch to your -current instead, and see if you still get the panic. This patch is relative to -current. What it does is clear the dirty

Re: fix for pageout_flush panic (was Re: panic: vm_pageout_flush: partially dirty page)

2000-12-10 Thread Philipp Mergenthaler
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:34:32PM -0800, Matt Dillon wrote: :ever since this commit: ... : :dillon 2000/11/18 15:06:27 PST : : Modified files: :sys/kern vfs_bio.c vfs_cluster.c vfs_subr.c Hmm. Very odd. It's catching a fully valid file page which is

Re: Sony jog dial driver

2000-12-10 Thread Michael C . Wu
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:19:06PM -0800, Nick Sayer scribbled: | Attached is a preliminary driver for the Sony jog dial. It's enough that | you can create a /dev/jogdial and watch letters come out. W00t! :) You did it! How did you wrestle documentation out of Sony? (or did you ever?) If you

Re: Sony jog dial driver

2000-12-10 Thread Michael C . Wu
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 06:44:45PM -0600, Michael C . Wu scribbled: Oops, nevermind my questions about contacts and Fn+* functions, should have read the code before I reply. :) -- +--+ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Sony jog dial driver

2000-12-10 Thread Nick Sayer
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Michael C . Wu wrote: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:19:06PM -0800, Nick Sayer scribbled: | Attached is a preliminary driver for the Sony jog dial. It's enough that | you can create a /dev/jogdial and watch letters come out. W00t! :) You did it! How did you wrestle

Re: panic: vm_pageout_flush: partially dirty page

2000-12-10 Thread Philipp Mergenthaler
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:25:48PM -0800, Matt Dillon wrote: : Hi, : :ever since this commit: ... : :dillon 2000/11/18 15:06:27 PST : : Modified files: :sys/kern vfs_bio.c vfs_cluster.c vfs_subr.c :... When you created the filesystems on which the history

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:18:31PM -0800, Crist J. Clark wrote: Nope. One can ``ln -s /usr/local /usr/pkg'' and get the behavior those that like everything in one place prefers while still segregating stuff for those that prefer it. That makes no sense. Yes it does. The big argument

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:15:58PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: but there also was a /usr/contrib for large packages contribtued to Berkeley by outside parties. BSDi's BSD/OS installs GNOME, KDE, editors, etc.. into /usr/contrib and leaves /usr/local for the user. -- -- David ([EMAIL

Re: fix for pageout_flush panic (was Re: panic: vm_pageout_flush: partially dirty page)

2000-12-10 Thread Matt Dillon
I found a second issue... just a normal write-via-mmap issue, which I think INN does. If you mmap() a file fragment and write to it via the mmap(), m-dirty is set to VM_PAGE_BITS_ALL (0xFF). the normal buffer flush will only clear the dirty bits on the page associated with the

Re: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?

2000-12-10 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andre Oppermann writes: : Is there any supporting Access Point functionality, eg. using the : freebsd server as AP? No. AP mode firmware is generally undocumented. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Wes Peters
"Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: Mike Meyer wrote: Rant second: FreeBSD *violates* years of traditions with it's treatment of /usr/local. /usr/local is for *local* things, not add-on software packages! Coopting /usr/local for non-local software creates needless complexity and confusion,

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 12:31:10PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: Not /usr/local - that's for locally maintained software. I'd rather it go on /usr, so I don't like /opt. When I got to choose, I chose /usr/opt. But anything other than /usr/local on /usr would do as well. So do you also put the

Re: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?

2000-12-10 Thread Brooks Davis
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:46:27PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" writes: : Is there a list of wireless pc cards that work (and how well they work) : with FreeBSD?? There's /etc/defaults/pccard.conf, which says breifly: Aironet 340/342

Supported wireless PCMCIA cards (was: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?)

2000-12-10 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 10 December 2000 at 15:46:27 -0700, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" writes: : Is there a list of wireless pc cards that work (and how well they work) : with FreeBSD?? There's /etc/defaults/pccard.conf, which says breifly: ...

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Andrew Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 12:31:10PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: Not /usr/local - that's for locally maintained software. I'd rather it go on /usr, so I don't like /opt. When I got to choose, I chose /usr/opt. But anything other than /usr/local on /usr

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Wes Peters
David O'Brien wrote: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:44:41PM -0500, Brian Dean wrote: I think I finally understand what you are complaining about, Maybe. But to say that installing ports into /usr/local is somehow wrong, I have to disagree. Do you understand why NetBSD Packages (ie,

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Nate Williams
I'm aware that software was installing itself in /usr/local years before it was installing in /opt. On the other hand, vendor software was installing in /opt years before I ever saw it install in /usr/local. Most vendor software I know pre-dates /opt, and installed itself in

Re: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?

2000-12-10 Thread Wes Peters
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: Is there a list of wireless pc cards that work (and how well they work) with FreeBSD?? man -k 802.11 or man -k wireless should do it, but the man pages aren't quite that organized. All I can find grepping the 4.2 sources is Cisco/Aironet and Lucent WaveLAN/

Re: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?

2000-12-10 Thread Wes Peters
Andre Oppermann wrote: Is there any supporting Access Point functionality, eg. using the freebsd server as AP? There's no special support for it, but it's just another interface. If you run it (and your other 802.11 devices) in ad-hoc mode, everything should work peachy. --

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Nate Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: I ran mostly DEC boxes until the early 90s, which had all software installed in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin. Well, I ran DEC boxes for Dec (at WSE) back in the late 80s and early 90s, and don't remember anything being in /usr/local that I didn't drag of

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Nate Williams
I ran mostly DEC boxes until the early 90s, which had all software installed in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin. Well, I ran DEC boxes for Dec (at WSE) back in the late 80s and early 90s, and don't remember anything being in /usr/local that I didn't drag of the net (or write myself) and

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 09:46:46PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: Fixing broken things is a good thing. Your argument about moving it from /usr/local to show how broken is a good test procedure, but turning it into policy is something completely different. I think the 'tradition' of FreeBSD

/usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Nate Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: By your own admission, /usr/local wasn't used on v7. So the discussion should turn to when BSD started seeing prebuilt vendor packages to install in /usr/local. Late '80s on DEC boxes running Ultrix (which one could argue is one of the

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Nate Williams
Fixing broken things is a good thing. Your argument about 'moving it from /usr/local to show how broken' is a good test procedure, but turning it into policy is something completely different. I think the 'tradition' of FreeBSD installing packages in /usr/local is enough to leave

[current] Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread David Gilbert
"Brian" == Brian Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian I'm really not exactly sure what you are complaining about. Brian For example, the last time I built Emacs for Solaris (several Brian years ago admittedly), by default it installed itself into Brian /usr/local. If you install Emacs onto

Re: /usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joe Kelsey writes: : To the extent that NetBSD *forces* the local administrator to use : /usr/pkg, I find it contains the same deficiency. If it does not force : this, then perhaps FreeBSD should adopt it. I have never used NetBSD, : so I cannot comment further on

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Andrew Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 09:46:46PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: Fixing broken things is a good thing. Your argument about moving it from /usr/local to show how broken is a good test procedure, but turning it into policy is something completely

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nate Williams writes: : I know that as recent as 3=4 years ago, Purify installed itself by : default in /usr/local, on SunOS and Solaris. Lucid did this as well, : although things start getting pretty fuzzy going back that far. :) purify and the binary distributions

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-10 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nate Williams writes: : Probably the same time-frame for SunOS, although I didn't have : experience with it until the early 90's. However, if necessary, I can : try and dig out installation docs for some software which ask to have : the stuff unpacked in

/usr/local abuse

2000-12-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] types: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nate Williams writes: : I know that as recent as 3=4 years ago, Purify installed itself by : default in /usr/local, on SunOS and Solaris. Lucid did this as well, : although things start getting pretty fuzzy going back that

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