Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
It's been a while since we've used portmap(8) on -CURRENT systems. Is it still needed, or can it be removed completely? At the very least, the man page should stop claiming that it's necessary to run NFS. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to

Re: ccd performance (was: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost)

2002-10-07 Thread Matthew Dillon
: a lot of information on how to use it. I generally recommend : using a stripe size of 1152 for multitasking loads. : :Sectors? Why particularly this value? It's described in 'tuning'. Basically you want a fairly large stripe to reduce multi-disk seeking when reading

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:02:51PM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: It's been a while since we've used portmap(8) on -CURRENT systems. Is it still needed, or can it be removed completely? At the very least, the man page should stop claiming that it's necessary to run NFS. Are you saying

Re: xdm can not login on current

2002-10-07 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, suken woo wrote: xdm broken on current when login . i knew this is the pam module problem,but how could i fix it? Chances are, you built your X11 with an old -CURRENT system, and since then the ABI for the PAM stuff has changed in -CURRENT, so your old X11 no longer talks

New panic fun.

2002-10-07 Thread Carl Schmidt
Decided to update my source tree today. Evidently this was not a bright move. I built my kernel and whatnot, powered off (rebooting on my laptop doesn't work...), and startx'ed. Then I ran mozilla. poof Fatal trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode instruction pointer =

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Sunday, 6 October 2002 at 23:42:55 -0700, David O'Brien wrote: On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:02:51PM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: It's been a while since we've used portmap(8) on -CURRENT systems. Is it still needed, or can it be removed completely? At the very least, the man page

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: On Sunday, 6 October 2002 at 23:42:55 -0700, David O'Brien wrote: On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:02:51PM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: It's been a while since we've used portmap(8) on -CURRENT systems. Is it still needed, or can it be

Re: ccd performance (was: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost)

2002-10-07 Thread Terry Lambert
Matthew Dillon wrote: But, again, CCD is not trying to implement 'real' RAID. It can't rebuild a lost mirror drive, for example, and does not implement RAID-5. IMHO A real RAID controller with NVRAM should be used for those things. FWIW, the people who sell RAID controllers with

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/geom geom_disk.c

2002-10-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
This patch may also fix problems on PC98 which as far as I know have 1k sector disks, so if some of the PC98 people could try it a GEOM kernel out now I would be grateful. Poul-Henning In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Poul-Henning Kamp writes: phk 2002/10/07 00:15:37 PDT Modified

Compilation of jdk with native threads failes

2002-10-07 Thread Lutz Bichler
Error log is: === Recursively making native all @ Mon Oct 7 09:38:55 CEST 2002 ... gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/java/jdk13/work/j2sdk1.3.1/make/java/hpi/native' gmake

Re: xdm can not login on current

2002-10-07 Thread suken woo
Robert Watson wrote: On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, suken woo wrote: ok, here's i get the messages Oct 7 00:38:18 wsk -:0 : unable to dlopen(/usr/lib/pam_nologin.so) Oct 7 00:38:18 wsk -:0 : [dlerror: /usr/lib/pam_nologin.so: Undefined symbol _openpam_log] Oct 7 00:38:18 wsk -:0

Re: Compilation of jdk with native threads failes

2002-10-07 Thread Hui
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:35:21AM +0200, Lutz Bichler wrote: I cannot find the CTX_ constants and/or their meaning. Any hints? I ran into this myself and it's because that stuff was delete recently in -current's libc_r. Another patch release needs to happen because of that to solve that

Re: stdlib.h:57: redeclaration of C++ built-in type `wchar_t'

2002-10-07 Thread Hanspeter Roth
On Oct 06 at 17:02, Terry Lambert spoke: You failed to delete the old header files when you upgraded your compiler. The easiest answer is man rm. 8-). Hm. I tought I had `*default delete use-rel-suffix' in the supfile. Do I still have to delete old files myself? Is /usr/include/stdlib.h

[Fwd: Re: xdm can not login on current]

2002-10-07 Thread suken woo
---BeginMessage--- Robert Watson wrote: On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, suken woo wrote: xdm broken on current when login . i knew this is the pam module problem,but how could i fix it? Chances are, you built your X11 with an old -CURRENT system, and since then the ABI for the PAM stuff has

Re: stdlib.h:57: redeclaration of C++ built-in type `wchar_t'

2002-10-07 Thread Terry Lambert
Hanspeter Roth wrote: On Oct 06 at 17:02, Terry Lambert spoke: You failed to delete the old header files when you upgraded your compiler. The easiest answer is man rm. 8-). Hm. I tought I had `*default delete use-rel-suffix' in the supfile. Doesn't matter. That only effects your CVS

Re: [PATCH] Re: Junior Kernel Hacker page updated...

2002-10-07 Thread Stefan Farfeleder
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 11:14:26PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: Stefan: Did the patch fix it, or not? Sorry for the long delay. No, it did not. But I now have a rather interesting core dump. I inserted a KASSERT, so that the code looks like this: TAILQ_INSERT_TAIL(kq-kq_head, marker,

alpha tinderbox failure

2002-10-07 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
-- Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- stage 1: bootstrap tools -- stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

Re: panic: kmem_malloc(4096): kmem_map too small

2002-10-07 Thread Ben Stuyts
Hello, At 09:06 06/10/2002, Mikhail Teterin wrote: ... 218222592 total allocated this machine has a total of 512Mb of RAM, and no swap. No X was running. Just ``cvs update''-ing. I got this also a couple of times over the last week. It would panic every few days with this same message. I

Re: [PATCH] Re: Junior Kernel Hacker page updated...

2002-10-07 Thread Terry Lambert
Stefan Farfeleder wrote: On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 11:14:26PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: Stefan: Did the patch fix it, or not? Sorry for the long delay. No, it did not. But I now have a rather interesting core dump. I inserted a KASSERT, so that the code looks like this:

Re: [PATCH] Re: Junior Kernel Hacker page updated...

2002-10-07 Thread Julian Elischer
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Stefan Farfeleder wrote: I'm confused why marker - if it was removed by TAILQ_REMOVE - hasn't kn_tqe.tqe_next and kn_tqe.tqe_prev set to (void *)-1. because that only happens if the debug code in queue.h is enabled, which it is not.. OK,

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Joel M. Baldwin
Shouldn't ALL of the files in /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/include, /usr/lib etc be replaced during an installworld? I've always looked for files older than the last installworld and moved them aside thinking that they're obsolete. ( aside, not delete, just in case ) --On Monday, October 07, 2002

/usr/include/stdlib.h:51: syntax error before size_t

2002-10-07 Thread Hanspeter Roth
On Oct 07 at 02:43, Terry Lambert spoke: /usr/include/* is obsolete. Install the new ones instead. When I rename /usr/include and copy /usr/src/include/* to /usr/include I get: === usr.bin/yacc /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/usr.bin/yacc created for /usr/src/usr.bin/yacc rm -f .depend mkdep

Re: xdm can not login on current

2002-10-07 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, suken woo wrote: xdm broken on current when login . i knew this is the pam module problem,but how could i fix it? Chances are, you built your X11 with an old -CURRENT system, and since then the ABI for the PAM stuff has changed in -CURRENT, so your old X11 no longer

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Joel M. Baldwin wrote: Shouldn't ALL of the files in /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/include, /usr/lib etc be replaced during an installworld? I've always looked for files older than the last installworld and moved them aside thinking that they're obsolete. ( aside, not

Re: /usr/include/stdlib.h:51: syntax error before size_t

2002-10-07 Thread Mark Murray
On Oct 07 at 02:43, Terry Lambert spoke: /usr/include/* is obsolete. Install the new ones instead. When I rename /usr/include and copy /usr/src/include/* to /usr/include I get: Don't do that. Look in src/Makefile* for the right way to fix your includes. (IIRC there is a target,

Re: /usr/include/stdlib.h:51: syntax error before size_t

2002-10-07 Thread Robert Drehmel
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 02:17:00PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: On Oct 07 at 02:43, Terry Lambert spoke: /usr/include/* is obsolete. Install the new ones instead. When I rename /usr/include and copy /usr/src/include/* to /usr/include I get: Don't do that. Look in

Cheap Cigarettes

2002-10-07 Thread Brent Bartis
Warning Unable to process data: multipart/mixed;boundary==_NextPart_000_00D7_70E05A4E.D4244E03

Re: tcsh hang in -current (kse bug?)

2002-10-07 Thread David Malone
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 04:10:55PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: Can anyone else reproduce this in tcsh? rpcgen -s `perl -e 'print ax5'` Word too long. I reported this to the tcsh people about 18 months ago, but I don't think it was ever fixed. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail

Re: My problems with GEOM

2002-10-07 Thread Seth Hieronymus
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Seth Hieronymus writes: You were right. After trying both a CD, and a zip-disk in the computer (both together, and separately), having a zip-disk in the drive seems to allow the boot to continue normally. ATA(PI) or SCSI

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Steve Kargl
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:32:10AM -0700, Joel M. Baldwin wrote: Shouldn't ALL of the files in /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/include, /usr/lib etc be replaced during an installworld? It depends. If you have INSTALL='install -C in /etc/make.conf, then some (or even all) of the files in the named

Re: My problems with GEOM

2002-10-07 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 08:39:06AM -0600, Seth Hieronymus wrote: afd0: 239MB IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI [239/64/32] at ata1-slave PIO3 PHK had me dd if=/dev/afd0 of=/dev/null with no media in the drive. I get dd: /dev/afd0: Device busy, which is what the problem is. Some where in /sys/dev/ata

Re: My problems with GEOM

2002-10-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David O'Brien writes: On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 08:39:06AM -0600, Seth Hieronymus wrote: afd0: 239MB IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI [239/64/32] at ata1-slave PIO3 PHK had me dd if=/dev/afd0 of=/dev/null with no media in the drive. I get dd: /dev/afd0: Device busy, which

make includes

2002-10-07 Thread Hanspeter Roth
On Oct 07 at 14:17, Mark Murray spoke: Look in src/Makefile* for the right way to fix your includes. (IIRC there is a target, maybe called doincludes to do this). I made `includes' and then `libraries'. Now `buildworld' succeeded! Thanks. How did you know this? Is there a guide how to

Re: make includes

2002-10-07 Thread Mark Murray
I made `includes' and then `libraries'. Now `buildworld' succeeded! Thanks. How did you know this? I read the makefiles. Is there a guide how to upgrade from stable to current? (src/UPDATING only mentions something about /usr/include/g++.) No. CURRENT is not really documented that way.

Re: Broken ata/ad%d.

2002-10-07 Thread Mark Murray
After cleaning out some OBE(?) patches, the closest I can get my Libretto 110CT to booting a really recent CURRENT is terminated by a panic. Hand-written backtrace is: Debugger() panic() acpi_read_ivar() ata_dma_init() Here is the fix: Index: acpi.c

Re: Any users of matcd(4), mcd(4), or scd(4)?

2002-10-07 Thread John Baldwin
On 07-Oct-2002 Paul Mather wrote: On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 05:01:07PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: = [...] Note = that if support for these ancient devices was dropped, it wouldn't = be dropped until 5.0. 4.x. would continue to support these devices = forever. During my last cvsup (I track

i386 tinderbox failure

2002-10-07 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
-- Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- stage 1: bootstrap tools -- stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

Familiar?

2002-10-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
cc -O -pipe -mcpu=pentiumpro -DLIBC_SCCS -I/dell/imp/p4/newcard/src/lib/libkvm -c /dell/imp/p4/newcard/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_proc.c -o kvm_proc.o /dell/imp/p4/newcard/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_proc.c: In function `kvm_proclist': /dell/imp/p4/newcard/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_proc.c:327: `KI_MTXBLOCK' undeclared

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : It's been a while since we've used portmap(8) on -CURRENT systems. Is : it still needed, or can it be removed completely? At the very least, : the man page should stop claiming that it's necessary to run

loader problem

2002-10-07 Thread Lars Eggert
Hi, after an installworld with last night's sources, my machine resets in the the loader. It prints the BTX loader line, and then immediately resets. I restored the old /boot/loader (from 10/2), which lets me boot again. Any ideas? Lars -- Lars Eggert [EMAIL PROTECTED] USC

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Archie Cobbs
M. Warner Losh writes: : It's been a while since we've used portmap(8) on -CURRENT systems. Is : it still needed, or can it be removed completely? At the very least, : the man page should stop claiming that it's necessary to run NFS. I think that we need a mtree.obsolete that goes through

sorry state of Xserver in 5.0

2002-10-07 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Every so often, my X server locks up. It seems to be in a tight loop, 95% user time, and making only these ktrace'able calls: 27069 XFree86 0.019988 PSIG SIGALRM caught handler=0x80d219c mask=0x0 code=0x0 27069 XFree86 0.39 CALL sigreturn(0xbd9e7b0c) 27069 XFree86 0.04 RET

Re: loader problem

2002-10-07 Thread Lars Eggert
Lars Eggert wrote: after an installworld with last night's sources, my machine resets in the the loader. It prints the BTX loader line, and then immediately resets. I restored the old /boot/loader (from 10/2), which lets me boot again. Any ideas? The same happens on my laptop

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Mark Murray
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : It's been a while since we've used portmap(8) on -CURRENT systems. Is : it still needed, or can it be removed completely? At the very least, : the man page should stop claiming that it's necessary to

Re: sorry state of Xserver in 5.0

2002-10-07 Thread Wesley Morgan
This sounds very similar to a problem I am seeing that does not result in a fatal lockup, but rather several minutes of complete unresponsiveness. It only seems to happen when Konqueror tries to autocomplete from the location bar. On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Andrew Gallatin wrote: Every so often, my

Re: sorry state of Xserver in 5.0

2002-10-07 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Wesley Morgan writes: This sounds very similar to a problem I am seeing that does not result in a fatal lockup, but rather several minutes of complete unresponsiveness. It only seems to happen when Konqueror tries to autocomplete from the location bar. I'm not really sure what was

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Terry Lambert
Joel M. Baldwin wrote: Shouldn't ALL of the files in /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/include, /usr/lib etc be replaced during an installworld? They are replaced... if they exist boith before and afterward. They are also created... if they did not exist before, but do exist afterward. What's not done is

Re: /usr/include/stdlib.h:51: syntax error before size_t

2002-10-07 Thread Terry Lambert
Hanspeter Roth wrote: On Oct 07 at 02:43, Terry Lambert spoke: /usr/include/* is obsolete. Install the new ones instead. When I rename /usr/include and copy /usr/src/include/* to /usr/include I get: What happens when you read the -current archives for other messages which indicate the

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Terry Lambert
Daniel Flickinger wrote: Name: text textType: Plain Text (text/plain) Encoding: 7bit As an EMACS afficionado, perhaps I can get you to fix AtillaMail? Right now, even without attachments other than the message body, it adds: Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: Any users of matcd(4), mcd(4), or scd(4)?

2002-10-07 Thread Terry Lambert
John Baldwin wrote: I can appreciate matcd being dropped for 5.0 on pragmatic grounds, but it would have been nice to have it ride out the rest of 4.x, given that it actually works right now. (As I understand it, it's the adoption of GEOM that signalled the death knell of these old

Re: Any users of matcd(4), mcd(4), or scd(4)?

2002-10-07 Thread Scott Long
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 01:26:50PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: John Baldwin wrote: I can appreciate matcd being dropped for 5.0 on pragmatic grounds, but it would have been nice to have it ride out the rest of 4.x, given that it actually works right now. (As I understand it, it's the

Intended Audience

2002-10-07 Thread Hanspeter Roth
On Oct 07 at 16:44, Mark Murray spoke: How did you know this? I read the makefiles. This sounds like several hours of work. Thank you for letting me benefit of your time. No. CURRENT is not really documented that way. Developers are supposed to Use the Source, Luke! :-) So the

Re: Intended Audience

2002-10-07 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 11:06:13PM +0200, Hanspeter Roth wrote: No. CURRENT is not really documented that way. Developers are supposed to Use the Source, Luke! :-) So the intended audience for CURRENT are developers? Or maybe also testers?

Re: Intended Audience

2002-10-07 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Hanspeter Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2002-10-07 ] [ Subjecte: Intended Audience ] No. CURRENT is not really documented that way. Developers are supposed to Use the Source, Luke! :-) So the intended audience for CURRENT are developers? Or maybe also testers? What if

Re: Intended Audience

2002-10-07 Thread Mark Murray
On Oct 07 at 16:44, Mark Murray spoke: How did you know this? I read the makefiles. This sounds like several hours of work. 5 minutes, actually. Thank you for letting me benefit of your time. Pleasure! No. CURRENT is not really documented that way. Developers are supposed

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Terry Lambert
Archie Cobbs wrote: M. Warner Losh writes: : It's been a while since we've used portmap(8) on -CURRENT systems. Is : it still needed, or can it be removed completely? At the very least, : the man page should stop claiming that it's necessary to run NFS. I think that we need a

Re: /usr/include/stdlib.h:51: syntax error before size_t

2002-10-07 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2002-10-07 14:17, Mark Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 07 at 02:43, Terry Lambert spoke: /usr/include/* is obsolete. Install the new ones instead. When I rename /usr/include and copy /usr/src/include/* to /usr/include I get: Don't do that. Look in src/Makefile* for

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Archie Cobbs
Terry Lambert writes: : It's been a while since we've used portmap(8) on -CURRENT systems. Is : it still needed, or can it be removed completely? At the very least, : the man page should stop claiming that it's necessary to run NFS. I think that we need a mtree.obsolete that goes

Re: loader problem

2002-10-07 Thread eculp
Quoting Lars Eggert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | Hi, | | after an installworld with last night's sources, my machine resets in | the the loader. It prints the BTX loader line, and then immediately | resets. I restored the old /boot/loader (from 10/2), which lets me boot | again. | | Any ideas?

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Terry Lambert
Archie Cobbs wrote: How will this work for perl, which is not removed, but is instead replaced with a stub shell script? Anything that gets overwritten during the normal install process is already taken care of. We're just trying to get rid of files which are not installed by 'make

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archie Cobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : I.e., if a file is not installed by 'make installworld' then by : definition it's not required for a correctly functioning system. The only exceptions to this rule would be if something was once in the system, but

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Archie Cobbs
Terry Lambert writes: I.e., if a file is not installed by 'make installworld' then by definition it's not required for a correctly functioning system. This won't work for Perl (which is why I picked it as my example). In order to do what you are suggesting, you will need to create a

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2002-10-07 15:14, Archie Cobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything that gets overwritten during the normal install process is already taken care of. We're just trying to get rid of files which are not installed by 'make installword' but used to be once. I.e., if a file is not installed by

Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 11:20:56 -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's been a while since we've used portmap(8) on -CURRENT systems. Is it still needed, or can it be removed completely? At the very

Re: Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 11:20:56 -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's been a while since we've used portmap(8) on -CURRENT systems. Is it still

Re: My problems with GEOM

2002-10-07 Thread Seth Hieronymus
From: David O'Brien: On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 08:39:06AM -0600, Seth Hieronymus wrote: afd0: 239MB IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI [239/64/32] at ata1-slave PIO3 PHK had me dd if=/dev/afd0 of=/dev/null with no media in the drive. I get dd: /dev/afd0: Device busy, which is what the problem is. Some

Re: Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Steve Kargl
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 09:16:10AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 11:20:56 -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's been a while since we've used portmap(8) on -CURRENT

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread Terry Lambert
Archie Cobbs wrote: You are right in that additional programs or custom modifications that depend on the obsolete stuff would break if the obsolete stuff were removed... so you'd have to confirm everything with mergemaster. Possibly this is too dangerous to be useful. But it would be nice

Re: Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 17:44:42 -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 09:16:10AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 11:20:56 -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 20:07:37 -0400, Daniel Eischen wrote: On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: I think we can greatly simplify things with one firm but relatively bearable rule: The directories /bin, /usr/bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin, insert others here are for the

Re: Do we still need portmap(8)?

2002-10-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : On 2002-10-07 15:14, Archie Cobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Anything that gets overwritten during the normal install process : is already taken care of. We're just trying to get rid of files : which are

Re: Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 10:34:42AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: What would you do about install -C? I think it confuses the issue rather than solving it. We're talking about removing binaries which are no longer needed, not replacing binaries that are needed. install -C will not

Re: Removing old binaries

2002-10-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : I think it confuses the issue rather than solving it. We're talking : about removing binaries which are no longer needed, not replacing : binaries that are needed. I'd be cool with a file that's a list of

Re: Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 20:07:37 -0400, Daniel Eischen wrote: On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: I think we can greatly simplify things with one firm but relatively bearable rule: The directories /bin, /usr/bin,

Re: Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 21:18:10 -0400, Daniel Eischen wrote: On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 20:07:37 -0400, Daniel Eischen wrote: On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: I think we can greatly simplify things with one firm but

Re: Removing old binaries

2002-10-07 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 9:16 AM +0930 10/8/02, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002, M. Warner Losh wrote: I think that we need a mtree.obsolete that goes through and deletes these sorts of things as part of installworld/upgrade scripts. I think we can greatly simplify things with one firm but

Re: Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Steve Kargl
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 10:34:42AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 17:44:42 -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 09:16:10AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 11:20:56 -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL

Re: Removing old binaries

2002-10-07 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 10:55 AM +0930 10/8/02, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 21:18:10 -0400, Daniel Eischen wrote: On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 20:07:37 -0400, Daniel Eischen wrote: I don't think doing this by default is a good idea.

Re: Removing old binaries

2002-10-07 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 21:57:28 -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 10:55 AM +0930 10/8/02, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 21:18:10 -0400, Daniel Eischen wrote: On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 20:07:37 -0400, Daniel

Re: Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 18:46:35 -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 10:34:42AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 17:44:42 -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 09:16:10AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October

dc and PCMCIA still panic

2002-10-07 Thread Mikhail Teterin
Today's kernel (cvs update-ed 10 minutes ago) keeps panicing when the dc-card is inserted :-/ The panic always happens in Fatal trap 12 [...] db trace pccard_scan_cis([data],0,0) at pccard_scan_cis+0x1a5 pccard_read_cis([data]) at pccard_read_cis+0xb5

Re: Removing old binaries

2002-10-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
I'd be inclined to just have a file with the a list and do something like the following at the end of Makefile.inc1, just after we do the sendmail install. .if (PURGE_OBSOELETE_FILES) @rm -fr `cat /etc/obsolete` .else if (SAVE_ONSOLETE_FILES) @mkdir /usr/obsolete @mv -f

Re: dc and PCMCIA still panic

2002-10-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mikhail Teterin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Today's kernel (cvs update-ed 10 minutes ago) keeps panicing when the : dc-card is inserted :-/ : : The panic always happens in : : Fatal trap 12 : [...] : db trace :

Re: Removing old binaries

2002-10-07 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 11:29 AM +0930 10/8/02, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 21:57:28 -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: How about for each directory, if there are old files found in the directory then create a .OLDINSTALL sub-directory, and move the files into there (instead of

Re: Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 11:31 AM +0930 10/8/02, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: install -C doesn't change the timestamp, so you'll have tons of files that are older than some file in the build tree. What does the last access timestamp look like after install -C? What does the last-access timestamp look like on an

Re: Removing old binaries

2002-10-07 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 22:11:09 -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 11:29 AM +0930 10/8/02, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 21:57:28 -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: How about for each directory, if there are old files found in the directory then create a

Re: dc and PCMCIA still panic

2002-10-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
Even though it doesn't make sense, can you turn on the debugging information and run again? I use # Let's debug! hw.cbb.debug=1 hw.pccard.debug=1 hw.pccard.cis_debug=1 hw.cardbus.debug=1 hw.cardbus.cis_debug=1 Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe

Can't make depend or buildkernel for a custom kernel

2002-10-07 Thread Alex Zepeda
Attached is my config file, here's the error I'm getting: make -V CFILES -V SYSTEM_CFILES -V GEN_CFILES -V GEN_M_CFILES | MKDEP_CPP=cc - E CC=cc xargs mkdep -a -f .newdep -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual

Re: Removing old binaries

2002-10-07 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 11:45 AM +0930 10/8/02, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002, Garance A Drosihn wrote: I bought the PC, freebsd did not. Maybe it is convenient for me to have a file there. Maybe I did it by mistake. Maybe it's a core file that landed there and I forgot to move it.

Re: Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Steve Kargl
I wrote: I understand what the topic is. I don't understand your comment, I'd be inclined just to remove all files in those directories which are older than some file in the build tree--*after* a successful installation. Ah, sorry, that might bear more explanation. install -C doesn't

Re: Removing old binaries

2002-10-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve Kargl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : I'm beginning to think a mtree.obselete is the way to go. : Each committer, who deletes something from the base system, : should be required to update mtree.obselete. I think we : should also add a make purifyworld

Re: Removing old binaries (was: Do we still need portmap(8)?)

2002-10-07 Thread Chad David
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 10:35:39AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 7 October 2002 at 20:07:37 -0400, Daniel Eischen wrote: On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: I'd prefer this as a job for mergemaster, asking you confirmation for each binary. I'd much rather

Re: Can't make depend or buildkernel for a custom kernel

2002-10-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
: cc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cpp0) http://people.freebsd.org/~kan/gcc-cpp.diff Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: dc and PCMCIA still panic

2002-10-07 Thread Mikhail Teterin
Even though it doesn't make sense, can you turn on the debugging information and run again? I use # Let's debug! hw.cbb.debug=1 hw.pccard.debug=1 hw.pccard.cis_debug=1 hw.cardbus.debug=1 hw.cardbus.cis_debug=1 Actually, I lied... It is a Xircom RealPort Ethernet 10/100 + Modem 56

Re: dc and PCMCIA still panic

2002-10-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mikhail Teterin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Even though it doesn't make sense, can you turn on the debugging : information and run again? I use : : # Let's debug! : hw.cbb.debug=1 : hw.pccard.debug=1 : hw.pccard.cis_debug=1 : hw.cardbus.debug=1

Re: Can't make depend or buildkernel for a custom kernel

2002-10-07 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:24:44PM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: : cc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cpp0) http://people.freebsd.org/~kan/gcc-cpp.diff Cool. make depend works now, let's see if the resulting kernel does. :) - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: Can't make depend or buildkernel for a custom kernel

2002-10-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alex Zepeda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : http://people.freebsd.org/~kan/gcc-cpp.diff : : Cool. make depend works now, let's see if the resulting kernel does. :) I hit this same problem. Robert pointed me at this patch and I've booted 10 kernels built

Re: Can't make depend or buildkernel for a custom kernel

2002-10-07 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 10:29:34PM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: I hit this same problem. Robert pointed me at this patch and I've booted 10 kernels built since then. Burried in my original post: I'm also having problems with networking, seems like I can communicate with stuff listening on

Re: Can't make depend or buildkernel for a custom kernel

2002-10-07 Thread Terry Lambert
Alex Zepeda wrote: I'm also having problems with networking, seems like I can communicate with stuff listening on 127.0.0.1 just fine, but otherwise I can't connect to anything (traceroute works somewhat). Booting into an old (Sep 29) kernel works fine... actually I think this was broken

i386 tinderbox failure

2002-10-07 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
-- Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- stage 1: bootstrap tools -- stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

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