RE: Call for testers: SNMPv3 support for bsnmpd(1)

2014-04-01 Thread Hartmut Brandt
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014, Marciano, Anthony wrote: MACurrently, we are just looking to monitor standard objects such as MAinterfaces and send traps accordingly. Would it be possible to provide MAa trap example of what needs to be added to the snmpd.config file to MAmonitor an object and have it

Re: UDP Lite support

2014-04-01 Thread Kevin Lo
Joe Nosay wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Kevin Lo ke...@freebsd.org wrote: On 2014/03/28 00:21, John Baldwin wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:32:16 am Kevin Lo wrote: Are you interested in working on these and report back? The revised patch is available at:

Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Eitan Adler
Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is an educational experience. While FreeBSD can be coerced to

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Julian Elischer
On 4/1/14, 1:46 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all Hey it's not an apr 1 joke if it's true.. ___ freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to

Re: ZFS panic in -CURRENT

2014-04-01 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 01/04/2014 02:22 R. Tyler Croy said the following: Bumping this with more details On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:53:32 -0700 R Tyler Croy ty...@monkeypox.org wrote: Apologies for the rough format here, I had to take a picture of this failure because I didn't know what else to do.

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
Hi, On 04/01/14 07:46, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is an educational

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread David Chisnall
On 1 Apr 2014, at 08:11, Jordan Hubbard j...@mail.turbofuzz.com wrote: 1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying to idle the processor whenever possible to achieve that. You need to

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Lars Engels
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 12:11:19PM +0500, Jordan Hubbard wrote: On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the Linux desktop and start

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Daniel Kalchev
Hice April 1st piece, Let's see what I could contribute :) On 01.04.14 08:46, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
On 4/1/2014 1:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is an educational

RE: Call for testers: SNMPv3 support for bsnmpd(1)

2014-04-01 Thread Marciano, Anthony
Thank Harti. Tony -Original Message- From: Hartmut Brandt [mailto:hartmut.bra...@dlr.de] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 2:06 AM To: Marciano, Anthony Cc: syr...@freebsd.org; Bjoern A. Zeeb; freebsd-current@freebsd.org; tomaro...@gmail.com Subject: RE: Call for testers: SNMPv3 support

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Jordan Hubbard
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the Linux desktop and start to rip out the pieces of the OS not needed for server or embedded use.

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Sean Bruno
On Mon, 2014-03-31 at 22:46 -0700, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is

Re: ZFS panic in -CURRENT

2014-04-01 Thread R. Tyler Croy
On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 09:41:45 +0300 Andriy Gapon a...@freebsd.org wrote: on 01/04/2014 02:22 R. Tyler Croy said the following: Bumping this with more details On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:53:32 -0700 R Tyler Croy ty...@monkeypox.org wrote: Apologies for the rough format here, I had to take

Re: UDP Lite support

2014-04-01 Thread John Baldwin
On Monday, March 31, 2014 10:20:53 pm Kevin Lo wrote: On 2014/03/28 00:21, John Baldwin wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:32:16 am Kevin Lo wrote: Are you interested in working on these and report back? The revised patch is available at: http://people.freebsd.org/~kevlo/udplite.diff

RE: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread dteske
-Original Message- From: Eitan Adler [mailto:li...@eitanadler.com] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 10:47 PM To: hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd- advoc...@freebsd.org Subject: Leaving the Desktop Market Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story

RE: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread dteske
-Original Message- From: Lars Engels [mailto:lars.eng...@0x20.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:41 AM To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Eitan Adler; hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd- advoc...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Jakub Lach
You got me for a moment :) On a serious note... OpenBSD is reportedly having some success on a desktop- is using -CURRENT on dev's desktop religiously (so I've heard) something related? (e.g. working sound out of the box) I have sound with www/firefox without pulseaudio, albeit firefox 28

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Chris H
Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is an educational experience. While FreeBSD can be

Fwd: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Stefan Wendler
Sorry, should have replied to everybody ;) Cheers -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market Date: Tuesday 01 April 2014, 17:34:28 From: Stefan Wendler stefan.wend...@tngtech.com To: freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org Hi, On Monday 31 March 2014 22:46:45 Eitan

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Jim Thompson
On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Sean Bruno sean...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Why even bother? Its over, just embrace the future and be like this happy Mac user: http://people.freebsd.org/~sbruno/happy_desktop_user.jpg I have Macs at work (typing on one now), and a mac at home. I like them. I

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Allan Jude
On 2014-04-01 03:11, Jordan Hubbard wrote: 1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying to idle the processor whenever possible to achieve that. You need to optimize all of the hot-spot

RE: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Person, Roderick
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Randi Harper You know you opened a can of worms with that one. Because all the nerds are going to step up and say Well, I run FreeBSD on my desktop! It's totally

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Lars Engels
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 07:52:13AM -0700, dte...@freebsd.org wrote: -Original Message- From: Lars Engels [mailto:lars.eng...@0x20.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:41 AM To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Eitan Adler; hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd-

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Chris H
On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Matt Olander
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard j...@mail.turbofuzz.com wrote: On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the Linux desktop

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Andreas Nilsson
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Matt Olander m...@ixsystems.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard j...@mail.turbofuzz.com wrote: On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Brian Kim
Hi all, I have been a member of the FreeBSD hackers mailing list for about a year.5 now and I must say that I was looking forward to this year's 4/1 email. Last year, I didn't even realize that the discussion of promoting i386 as a tier 1 architecture was a joke until someone blatantly mentioned

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Tue, April 1, 2014 11:59 am, Andreas Nilsson wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Matt Olander m...@ixsystems.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard j...@mail.turbofuzz.com wrote: On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: That is

RE: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Chris H
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Randi Harper You know you opened a can of worms with that one. Because all the nerds are going to step up and say Well, I run FreeBSD on my desktop! It's totally

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 07:43:02PM +0200, Lars Engels escribió: That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the [snip] I'm a happy FreeBSD desktop user since 4.7. There are some edges,

Re: Re: UDP Lite support

2014-04-01 Thread Adrian Chadd
Hi! On 31 March 2014 19:20, Kevin Lo ke...@freebsd.org wrote: Thank you John. glebius@ suggests we don't need to have two absolutely equal uma zones since most systems don't run UDP-Lite. If practice shows that a differentiation at zone level between UDP and UDP-Lite PCBs is important,

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Michael Sinatra
On 04/01/2014 07:46, dte...@freebsd.org wrote: Eitan, While I understand your frustration, VICOR is using FreeBSD as a Desktop since FreeBSD 2.2. We don't use sound and we are fine relying on vesa. While I understand that the things you listed are actual short-comings for normal

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 07:43:02PM +0200, Lars Engels escribió: That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Garrett Wollman
In article 533b3903.7030...@rancid.berkeley.edu, mich...@rancid.berkeley.edu writes: I have been using FreeBSD on the desktop since 1997, Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the desktop since, well, before it was called FreeBSD. It's still my primary platform for nearly

Re: [CFT] ASLR and PIE on amd64

2014-04-01 Thread Oliver Pinter
On 3/31/14, Shawn Webb latt...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 31, 2014 02:07 AM +0200, Oliver Pinter wrote: On 3/22/14, Shawn Webb latt...@gmail.com wrote: Hey All, First off, I hope that even as a non-committer, it's okay that I post a call for testing. If not, please excuse my newbishness in

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 1 April 2014 15:40, Garrett Wollman woll...@hergotha.csail.mit.edu wrote: In article 533b3903.7030...@rancid.berkeley.edu, mich...@rancid.berkeley.edu writes: I have been using FreeBSD on the desktop since 1997, Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the desktop

kevent has bug?

2014-04-01 Thread Kohji Okuno
Hi, I think, kevent() has a bug. I tested sample programs by attached sources. This sample tests about EVFILT_SIGNAL. I build sample programs by the following commands. % gcc -O2 -o child child.c % gcc -O2 -o parent parent.c The expected result is the following. % ./parent 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

Re: UDP Lite support

2014-04-01 Thread Kevin Lo
On 2014/04/02 04:53, Adrian Chadd wrote: Hi! Hi Adrian, On 31 March 2014 19:20, Kevin Lo ke...@freebsd.org wrote: Thank you John. glebius@ suggests we don't need to have two absolutely equal uma zones since most systems don't run UDP-Lite. If practice shows that a differentiation at