Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread NGie Cooper
> On Jan 28, 2016, at 08:06, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: ... > What about upgrade strongly outdated system? > For example 11.0 at time 18.0? I.e. packages for 11.0 don't available, > pkg from 11.0 don't undertund package base from 18.0 and etc. This is an important question to

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:18:06PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:46:39PM +, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > from Glen Barber: > > > > > As many know, work has been in progress for quite some time to provide > > > the ability to package and upgrade the FreeBSD base

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:09:56AM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: > >> Yes, but but real usage of it would happen in a second step because of many > >> rought edges to be deal with. but yes the information would be available > >> > >> see: > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br6izhH5P1I > >> and > >>

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Allan Jude
On 2016-01-28 11:06, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:18:06PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:46:39PM +, Thomas Mueller wrote: >>> from Glen Barber: >>> As many know, work has been in progress for quite some time to provide the

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:04:00PM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: > On 2016-01-28 12:00, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:09:56AM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: > > > Yes, but but real usage of it would happen in a second step because of > many > rought edges to be

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Allan Jude
On 2016-01-28 12:00, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:09:56AM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: > Yes, but but real usage of it would happen in a second step because of many rought edges to be deal with. but yes the information would be available see:

Re: ZFSROOT UEFI boot

2016-01-28 Thread Doug Rabson
On 28 January 2016 at 15:03, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > It's exactly the NO GOOD point. The disk where boot1 is read from > should be where loader.efi and loader.conf are first read. > I just wanted to note that gptzfsboot and zfsboot behaves this way. Boot1 looks for

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Alfred Perlstein
This is going to be huge for FreeBSD. Thank you Glen, Bapt and I believe Peter Wemm as well. Having been engineering lead on multiple appliances based on FreeBSD this is going to revolutionize and make life so much easier for future appliance endeavors and general manageability of FreeBSD.

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Maxim Sobolev
That would be like trying to install FreeBSD 11 on PDP-11 hardware. Good luck with that, Slawa, you'll need it! :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 8:09 AM, Allan Jude wrote: > On 2016-01-28 11:06, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:18:06PM +0100, Baptiste

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:45:16AM -0800, NGie Cooper wrote: > > > On Jan 28, 2016, at 09:38, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:28:32AM -0800, NGie Cooper wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On Jan 28, 2016, at 08:06, Slawa Olhovchenkov

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread NGie Cooper
> On Jan 28, 2016, at 08:09, Allan Jude wrote: ... > According to our current release schedule, FreeBSD 18.0 will not come > out for 35 years (2051). > > The general approach would appear to be just downloading new packages > and updating the system. For a drastic

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Allan Jude
On 2016-01-28 12:25, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:04:00PM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: > >> On 2016-01-28 12:00, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:09:56AM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: >>> >> Yes, but but real usage of it would happen in a second step

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Glen Barber
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:12:53PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > I see two hudge problem for support upgrades from older RELEASE > versions (supported too): key (used for repo signing) change and need > to access ports packages to install (installed outdated release can't > find pkg packet

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 06:23:22PM +, Glen Barber wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:12:53PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > I see two hudge problem for support upgrades from older RELEASE > > versions (supported too): key (used for repo signing) change and need > > to access ports

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread NGie Cooper
> On Jan 28, 2016, at 09:38, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:28:32AM -0800, NGie Cooper wrote: >> >> >>> On Jan 28, 2016, at 08:06, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >> >> >> ... >> >>> What about upgrade strongly outdated system? >>>

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:58:52PM -0500, Nikolai Lifanov wrote: > > > On January 28, 2016 1:23:22 PM EST, Glen Barber wrote: > >On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:12:53PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > >> I see two hudge problem for support upgrades from older RELEASE > >>

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Nikolai Lifanov
On January 28, 2016 1:23:22 PM EST, Glen Barber wrote: >On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:12:53PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >> I see two hudge problem for support upgrades from older RELEASE >> versions (supported too): key (used for repo signing) change and need >> to access

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Thomas Mueller
from Glen Barber: > As many know, work has been in progress for quite some time to provide > the ability to package and upgrade the FreeBSD base system using pkg(8). > The majority of the initial implementation has provided much of the core > functionality to make this possible, however much work

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:46:39PM +, Thomas Mueller wrote: > from Glen Barber: > > > As many know, work has been in progress for quite some time to provide > > the ability to package and upgrade the FreeBSD base system using pkg(8). > > The majority of the initial implementation has provided

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Glen Barber
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:09:56AM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: > The approach for offering an upgrade from 10.x to 11.0 will be the more > interesting endeavour. > At present, the plan is to provide supported 10.x releases with the knowledge of what is added/removed in 11.0-RELEASE, be it through a

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:28:32AM -0800, NGie Cooper wrote: > > > On Jan 28, 2016, at 08:06, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > > ... > > > What about upgrade strongly outdated system? > > For example 11.0 at time 18.0? I.e. packages for 11.0 don't available, > > pkg from 11.0

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread David Chisnall
On 28 Jan 2016, at 17:45, NGie Cooper wrote: > > Also, consider that you're going to be allowing upgrades from older RELEASE > versions of the OS which might be using a fixed copy of pkgng -- how are you > going to support that? I believe that the plan is to promote the

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

2016-01-28 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:56:31PM +, David Chisnall wrote: > On 28 Jan 2016, at 17:45, NGie Cooper wrote: > > > > Also, consider that you're going to be allowing upgrades from older RELEASE > > versions of the OS which might be using a fixed copy of pkgng -- how are

Re: ZFSROOT UEFI boot

2016-01-28 Thread Steven Hartland
On 28/01/2016 16:22, Doug Rabson wrote: On 28 January 2016 at 15:03, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: It's exactly the NO GOOD point. The disk where boot1 is read from should be where loader.efi and loader.conf are first read. I just wanted to note that gptzfsboot and zfsboot

Re: ZFSROOT UEFI boot

2016-01-28 Thread Tomoaki AOKI
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 18:39:08 + Steven Hartland wrote: > On 24/01/2016 12:53, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > > Unfortunately, this (and its committed successor and original for UFS) > > fails to boot in some situation, like below. OTOH, gptzfsboot (and > > maybe gptboot for