Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up!

2001-08-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
This project has always been more than just its core developers, whomever they might be at any one time (and if history has shown us anything, it's that it's a constantly changing cast). This means that anyone is free to chime in with their opinion on any project decision, just as the people

Build problem in -current

2001-09-02 Thread Jordan Hubbard
cd /usr/src/usr.bin/xinstall; make _EXTRADEPEND echo xinstall: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a .depend cc -O -pipe-I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/xinstall /xinstall.c cc -O -pipe-I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -static -o xinstall xinstal l.o

Re: Build problem in -current

2001-09-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
If you think that's an acceptable work-around then by all means commit it. Thanks! - Jordan From: Bruce Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Build problem in -current Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 21:36:46 +1000 (EST) On Sun, 2 Sep 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: cd /usr/src/usr.bin/xinstall; make

Re: HEADS UP: ACPI CHANGES AFFECTING MOST -CURRENT USERS

2001-09-05 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Daniel C. Sobral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HEADS UP: ACPI CHANGES AFFECTING MOST -CURRENT USERS Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 15:55:16 -0300 I myself questioned the wisdom of using Forth at the time, and Jordan simply replied I was free to find a more popular language with a freely

Re: HEADS UP: ACPI CHANGES AFFECTING MOST -CURRENT USERS

2001-09-06 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Are you guys on crack? Scheme is just a dialect of LISP, where LISP could also just as easily be any one of MacLisp, InterLisp, Franz Lisp, Common Lisp or one of many other possibilities. The very acronym lacks specific meaning without an additional qualifier. Scheme can also dynamically build

Re: current.freebsd.org

2001-09-07 Thread Jordan Hubbard
First we had hardware problems, then NFS was broken on the cluster for awhile, preventing current.freebsd.org from getting at the CVS repository. It's fixed now and I see that a snapshot is building as we speak. - Jordan From: Alexey Zelkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: current.freebsd.org Date:

kern.flp blown out again

2001-09-13 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I don't know what the KSE commit added (or if it was even anything more than bad timing), but we've hit the limit on the kernel floppy again (x86): Setting up /boot directory for kern floppy /R/stage/image.kern/kernel: 53.9% -- replaced with /R/stage/image.kern/kern el.gz sh -e

Re: kern.flp blown out again

2001-09-13 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Hm. Isn't this a strong sign that something fundamental must be done about the boot floppy process? Alpha has been suffering from this longer already due to the bigger binaries. Hey, be my guest, just so long as we can install from whatever you come up with. :-) Seriously, the fact that it

Re: ~/.login_conf disabling exact reasons wanted

2001-09-22 Thread Jordan Hubbard
The bug doesn't exist in 4.4 either. It was fixed prior to release. Doesn't anyone read commit mail anymore?! :-( - Jordan Thus spake Andrey A. Chernov ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Please, read me carefully. This bug not exist in -current, where it is disabled by mistake via commit I complain.

Re: current install failure

2001-10-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
As you've already noticed, sysinstall basically tries to create the device nodes it needs under the old assumption that /dev will be mostly empty. Now that devfs is the default, phk needs to update libdisk so that it doesn't attempt to make the device nodes in this way. Fortunately, the person

Re: current install failure

2001-10-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
sysinstall, by design, knows very little about devices. It uses libdisk(3) as the abstraction for dealing with all disks in particular. * Jordan Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [011003 15:33] wrote: As you've already noticed, sysinstall basically tries to create the device nodes it needs under

Re: current install failure

2001-10-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:12:21 -0500 * Jordan Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [011003 15:33] wrote: As you've already noticed, sysinstall basically tries to create the device nodes it needs under the old assumption that /dev will be mostly empty. Now that devfs is the default, phk needs

Re: PATCH: sysinstall to remove userconfig code

2001-11-15 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I don't know -current. what is the feature which replace kget ? There is none. does boot -c (or whatever) still exists ? is it possible to edit KERNEL.hints at boot time ? No. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the

Re: NIS client performance seems very poor under network load

2001-09-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Progress in these types of situations nearly always comes from people with enough self-interest in the problem area to actually commit to working on it. Rather than asking for people who have written an autofsd to step forward, why not instead start working on this project yourselves and ask for

Re: NIS client performance seems very poor under network load

2001-09-28 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Maybe I keep pushing on this issue because there have been times in the past where FreeBSD has been prepared to pay programmers to write critical project progressing pieces of code. Well if that's your rationale then you can stop pushing because I can state categorically that FreeBSD doesn't

Re: PATCH: sysinstall to remove userconfig code

2001-11-29 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Looks good to me, I'd say commit it! - Jordan dsyphers DEBUG: kget: error buffer sizing matusita This is because sysinstall still want to get userconfig data matusita and put the result to /boot/kernel.conf. Userconfig was gone in 5-current, so we can safely remove kget() from

reinstatement of MSDOSFS on boot floppy fails

2001-10-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
sh -e /usr/src/release/scripts/doFS.sh /R/stage/floppies/kern.flp /R/stage /mnt 1440 /R/stage/image.kern 8 fd1440 disklabel: ioctl DIOCWLABEL: Operation not supported by device Warning: Block size restricts cylinders per group to 6. Warning: 1216 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated

Re: reinstatement of MSDOSFS on boot floppy fails

2001-10-03 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Sure, I just don't have time to work on this right now. - jordan D'ya think it might be time for a 3rd floppy? On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: sh -e /usr/src/release/scripts/doFS.sh /R/stage/floppies/kern.flp /R/stage /mnt 1440 /R/stage/image.kern 8 fd1440

Re: For your amusement..

2001-10-08 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Amusement? Excitement you mean! :-) That's REALLY a significant milestone and the IA-64 is by no means a simple architecture to come to grips with. My hat is off (yet again) to Doug! I think that makes two 64 bit architecture ports he's now had a lot to do with. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe:

current.freebsd.org successfully building snapshots again

2001-10-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
drwxr-xr-x 20 root wheel 1024 Oct 11 22:17 5.0-20011011-CURRENT Come 'n get it. No warrantees stated or implied as to how far these bits get you after you transfer them, of course. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of

Re: kern.flp blown out again

2001-10-12 Thread Jordan Hubbard
If you mean what I mean, that guy was Polish, and that stuff still sits in the tree: Yeah, that was it, sorry - I'm always getting Germany and Poland mixed up! No, not really, please don't hit! ;) That's cool - I should look at this. A perfect excuse to pick up forth again, I think. -

Re: PATCH: sysinstall to remove userconfig code

2001-11-29 Thread Jordan Hubbard
BTW, how dou you think my other patch (use 'devfs' while mounting filesystems, use fsck_ffs instead of fsck) for sysinstall, which was posted about a week before to [EMAIL PROTECTED]? You can fetch from: URL:http://people.freebsd.org/~matusita/5.0-CURRENT-20011121-JPSNAP_usedevfs /patch

Re: Motion for removal of xargs(1) from base system

2001-12-10 Thread Jordan Hubbard
My, is it April 1st already? How quickly time flies! December feels like it was just yesterday! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: current.freebsd.org down?

2002-02-07 Thread Jordan Hubbard
This is a different problem. The stable.freebsd.org machine, on which all the really big NFS storage lives, failed to come back up from a reboot last night and I'm trying to get it restarted now. The terminal server also appears to be sick or I'd be able to intervene remotely. :( - Jordan

Re: anon ftp access at current

2002-02-09 Thread Jordan Hubbard
No, the NFS server it depends on is down. Still working on getting it back up. I am trying to install one of the -current snapshots, but current.freebsd.org doesn't seem to want to let me log in as anonymous (some problem saying it cannot set guest access). Has the procedure changed to

Re: current.freebsd.org down?

2002-02-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
This is a different problem. The stable.freebsd.org machine, on which all the really big NFS storage lives, failed to come back up from a reboot last night and I'm trying to get it restarted now. The terminal server also appears to be sick or I'd be able to intervene remotely. :( - Jordan

Re: anon ftp access at current

2002-02-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
No, the NFS server it depends on is down. Still working on getting it back up. I am trying to install one of the -current snapshots, but current.freebsd.org doesn't seem to want to let me log in as anonymous (some problem saying it cannot set guest access). Has the procedure changed to

Re: HEADS UP: sshd (Re: cvs commit: src/release/sysinstall config.c)

2000-09-04 Thread Jordan Hubbard
This will be semi-broken for the next 17 days for US people because sshd won't work out of the box if you have "Protocol 1" defined, which is in the default config (and removing it may surprise people upgrading) Well, it's at least one step closer - all they have to do now (the US people) is

nsswitch changes break world build

2000-09-06 Thread Jordan Hubbard
.. during the depend phase.. /usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/gen/getgrent.c:48: nsswitch.h: No such file or directo ry /usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/gen/getpwent.c:54: nsswitch.h: No such file or directo - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the

Re: nsswitch changes break world build

2000-09-06 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Yep, I checked before complaining. Nathan Ahlstrom just sent me a patch to include/Makefile which I'm just testing now. - Jordan Are you sure you don't have a partial update? On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Jordan Hubbard wrote: .. during the depend phase.. /usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/gen

Re: Please consider some cosmetic changes in boot messages

2000-09-12 Thread Jordan Hubbard
On that subject, can you give me a rough projection as to when 5.0-RELEASE is likely to arrive? FreeBSD 2.2.1 1997-04-xx [FBD] FreeBSD 3.0 1998-10-16 [FBD] FreeBSD 4.0 2000-03-13 [FBD] You forgot FreeBSD 4.1, 2000-07-27 (www.freebsd.org/releases). This

Re: Please consider some cosmetic changes in boot messages

2000-09-12 Thread Jordan Hubbard
A certain user called jkh on IRC :-). I asked you and you agreed to it as a net-only release. Hmmm. I must have been on drugs. :) Very well, I'll see what can be done. A test release is actually building right now. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: Linux Emulation ETTW?

2000-09-13 Thread Jordan Hubbard
By ETTW i mean estimated time to work :D It works right now and has for the last week. If you get out of date with your modules, on the other hand, you're shooting your own feet off. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of

Re: PRE_SMPNG snap

2000-09-16 Thread Jordan Hubbard
You already have that - just install one of the -current snaps from before this date. I have no plans to remove them. - Jordan I would like to request that someone with access to ftp://current.freebsd.org build a snapshot release based entirely on the PRE_SMPNG CVS branch so those of us

Re: fxp suspend/resume hangs

2000-09-17 Thread Jordan Hubbard
in summary: PR kern/18756 contains a patch (against -stable, alas, This PR has been explicitly assigned to David Greenman and should be handled by him. As I pointed out in another message, nobody but he is likely to touch the fxp driver under any circumstances so it basically comes down to

USW2 Root: -current build report for Tue Sep 19 02:07:44 CDT 2000

2000-09-19 Thread Jordan Hubbard
current current, who broke current. :) --- Forwarded Message Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Sep 19 00:12:20 2000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id

Re: USW2 Root: -current build report for Tue Sep 19 02:07:44 CDT 2000

2000-09-19 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Another possible place is your BSD.usr.dist isn't updated properly and tr_TR.ISO_8859-9 directory isn't there I'll try a quick update of current.freebsd.org and get back to you. Thanks for the quick response. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: Initial installation console

2000-09-20 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Can the configuration for bootup and initial installation be configured to detect (and configure) a serial console. This would be very useful for The current installation "detects" serial console situations if you have a BIOS capable of properly instructing the loader about this or if you

Re: sysinstall: Avoiding version checking of CD-ROM (patch included)

2000-09-22 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Most procedures works well, except one warnings. When CD-ROM is initialized to use (after all installation option was selected), sysinstall complains as follows: Thanks for reminding me to go look at that code - you're right, the check is incorrectly done and insufficiently general. Fixed in

Re: interesting problem

2000-09-28 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I will not provide comments as the below messages are already too messy. Remove my teflon cables... Hmmm... I'll try it but something tells me that this is like trying to shoot an arbitrary star in the midnight sky. FreeBSD doesn't like teflon or is it just my system??? I think there have

Re: sysinstall: Avoiding version checking of CD-ROM (patch included)

2000-09-29 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Speaking about sysinstall, would you please check my PR (bin/21423, URL:http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21423) ? Done and fixed, thanks! It should be in the next (2930) -current snapshot in ftp://current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/ - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send

Re: sysinstall: Avoiding version checking of CD-ROM (patch included)

2000-09-29 Thread Jordan Hubbard
% ls boot/kernel/kernel* zsh: no matches found: boot/kernel/kernel* That's a different problem - there should be a boot/kernel/kernel.ko file and I'm not sure why there isn't. I'll talk to David O'Brien about fixing it. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: Today -current broken on build

2000-10-01 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Run 4.0 or piss off... That's totally inappropriate. He's reporting a BUILD ERROR which is an occasional fact of life in -current and should be reported so that whomever broke AMD can go fix the build. He's also a developer of FreeBSD and simply reporting this to the other developers. I'm

Re: Today -current broken on build

2000-10-01 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I hate to spoil the moment ... but does anyone have an idea what the fix is? g Nothing in the amd directory seems to have changed in the past couple of weeks, so it must be somewhere else, and I'm not bright enough to figure out where. Yeah, somebody forgot that typedefs and structure names

Re: Today -current broken on build

2000-10-01 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Er, this is probably the wrong fix. It sounds like the kernel 'callout' structure is ending up visible in userland, which it shouldn't. It wasn't clear to me if it was clashing with the internal typedef or something else - the namespace issues with gcc are a little unclear to me here (at

Re: #include struct.h in sys/queue.h

2000-10-02 Thread Jordan Hubbard
This breaks several other ports (like BitchX). I think this breaks all IRC's which are cloned from the same origin :-) I'm still looking for the downside to this. ;-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

ext2fs support for writing - what's the verdict?

2000-10-04 Thread Jordan Hubbard
As most people probably know, you can't write on ext2fs filesystems with any of the "newer" Linux distributions, like Red Hat 6.2 on up. The filesystem mount refuses r/w permission with the message "WARNING: R/W mount of #dd/min# denied due to unsupported optional features" Do we plan to do

Re: ext2fs support for writing - what's the verdict?

2000-10-05 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I have 64K off uncommitted diffs (-c2) for ext2fs, but none for sparse superblocks. This problem is easy to work around by not using unsupported optional features. Run tune2fs and e2fsck under Linux to turn off the features (see tune2fs(8)). That's a nice idea and may work in my particular

Re: current.freebsd.org

2000-10-08 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I'm sorry, but BSDi's dead-alien based UPS (as described in that fine documentary film "repo man") has been unreliable lately and the machines haven't been staying up. We've also been forced by the silicon valley personnel crunch to hire a new system administrator who's a little strange (he

Re: current.freebsd.org

2000-10-08 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Well deal with it and get releng4 back up. That reminds me of a joke: Q. "What do engineers use for birth control?" A. "Their personalities." We now return you to our regularly scheduled content-free discussion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Our kernel just got too big again. :)

2000-10-14 Thread Jordan Hubbard
We've blown out the kern.flp image. Time for me to chop something out again, unless there are any other suggestions. :| - Jordan --- Forwarded Message Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Sat Oct 14 06:50:52 2000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org

Re: Our kernel just got too big again. :)

2000-10-14 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I had asked for a 3rd floppy earlier that we could put f/w images and other That sounds nice in theory, but somebody needs to write the code which deals with floppy switching and module loading before this is anything but yet another request. How's your forth? :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe:

Re: Our kernel just got too big again. :)

2000-10-14 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Hmm?... my forth is poor, but I don't believe that's the issue. If I understand how the floppies currently work is that it's just like our normal boot loader- we start coming up. If you want to load other drivers or modules (like ispfw), you hit the 'other than Enter' to stop the loading

-current still broken as of today, just in case anyone's interested. :)

2000-10-18 Thread Jordan Hubbard
=== usr.bin === usr.bin/apply cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/appl y/apply.c In file included from /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys/wait.h:93, from /usr/src/usr.bin/apply/apply.c:45:

Re: I18N Progress, Plans, and Proposals

2000-10-19 Thread Jordan Hubbard
The advantages are : A. Easy bug reporting by users. (e.g. "I have error 2398423") B. I18N error messages Let me just say, as someone who's done "escalation tech support" for major ISVs (the people who get called whenever front-line tech support is confronted with a "I have error

Re: current.freebsd.org problems?

2000-10-19 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I'll look into this tomorrow morning, thanks. Bill G [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been trying to download a current snapshot from current.freebsd.org for the past few days without success. The error message I receive is 'Login incorrect' - I am doing a standard anonymous ftp, as

current.freebsd.org back up

2000-10-20 Thread Jordan Hubbard
snapshots are still broken, but you can at least get the previous ones via ftp now. - jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-21 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I wish to update rc.network6 and introduce rc.firewall6. H. I must confess that I see /etc as getting rather cluttered these days. Is there no way to perhaps collapse some of the most related functionality into single files and start passing arguments or something? Just a comment.. -

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-21 Thread Jordan Hubbard
However, Umemoto-san and me will discuss this, since we [he mostly] have been working on this for the last few months. Sounds good to me. My comments were, just to make it clear again, just food for thought and not out-and-out objections. If even 47 more files in /etc is what it takes to get

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
[redirected to just -current; I'm not sure what this has to do with -net] I agree. I've been using them for a while on my dog slow Windows CE machine. There were some minor issues when they were first committed to NetBSD on some platforms (due to a too early use of ps and some brokeness in

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
The scripts themselves have the ordering dependencies. The startup system runs them in the proper order. I don't know if this is pre-computed or redone each boot. I'm really curious about this, myself. One of the reasons the SYSV scripts have the numeric prefix is so that you know exactly

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Only SYSVMSG is removed for the i386 case. SYS* for the Alpha. I'm assuming the SYS* left compiled in on the i386 is for X? That is correct. It's not mandatory, but it emits a scary-looking error message when X starts up and a lot of folks were commenting on it, so I put it (SYSVSHM) back

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Again. There is no public NFS servers for distributing FreeBSD as I know. You can't get any FreeBSD, even if you sends NFS packets to the Internet. Can I and anybody access your favorite NFS servers? I think this misses the point. Not everyone installs FreeBSD from public servers and, in

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
[Why is -current on the cc line twice? One instance removed] I haven't removed it. But it is an option. I was a very heavy user of NFS, but it didn't matter to jkh when he removed it last time. The switch to ftp isn't hard. Well, that's not quite accurate. It did matter, it just seemed

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
and, to reply a second time to this message, it is recomputed at each boot... the rc and rc.shutdown scripts both run rcorder to do it, with rc.shutdown reversing the order. Ah, OK, sorry - I must have missed this the first time around. I'll have to investigate the workings of rcorder then.

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I'm in the midst of trying to install NetBSD so I can look at this. If no one else steps forward to do it, I can put together a patch. I've had several replies, so why don't we all look into this a bit and see which one of us actually manages to have enough steam to do it after the analysis

Re: sysinstall's console keymap menu

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
How about this patch to display keymap menu correctly with 80 column width console? This unfortunately breaks the alphabetical menu accelerator behavior. You can't have that space at the beginning - it's special. :) Any other way of shortening the menus is fair, however, and I'd be happy to

Re: sysinstall's console keymap menu

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
At 25 Oct 2000 03:36:55 GMT, Jordan Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This unfortunately breaks the alphabetical menu accelerator behavior. You can't have that space at the beginning - it's special. :) Any other way of shortening the menus is fair, however, and I'd be happy to see you

Re: sysinstall's console keymap menu

2000-10-25 Thread Jordan Hubbard
OK, if I understood correctly, is this patch reasonable at this time? Yes, this looks much better! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

USW2 Root: -current build report for Wed Oct 25 02:11:14 CDT 2000

2000-10-25 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Woohoo! First one in awhile! :-) Of course, given that freebsd-current has a routing loop right now you'll all probably see this message at least 4 times over the next week, but hey, not my fault. :) - Jordan --- Forwarded Message Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Oct 25

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-25 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I was going to if no one else did. Who ever does it should coordinate with Luke M @ NetBSD. He is willing to make tweaks such that we could use as much of the NetBSD bits as possible. He really hopes we [BSD] can standardize on this interface. Well, it sounds like David is already

Re: entropy reseeding is totally broken

2000-10-26 Thread Jordan Hubbard
The issue is one of seeding the device strongly. If all you care about is getting a different fortune when you boot then seeding with e.g. the system boot time would be enough, but obviously it doesnt make /dev/random cryptographically secure. I think there's a more general point being made

Re: ipfw question.

2000-10-26 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I disagree. Vaporware (example Son of Sysinstall) has kept us from improving things until the fabled newstuff arrives. That's actually a bad example since just a brief glance at the cvs commit logs for sysinstall will show that a number of fingers have dived into it over the years and

AMD broken in -current?

2000-10-26 Thread Jordan Hubbard
It use to work in early October, but now I get the following using the stock (/etc/defaults/rc.conf) amd flags: amd[321]: /host: mount: Operation not supported by device amd[322]: /net: mount: Operation not supported by device amd[321]: /host: mount: No such file or directory amd[322]: /net:

Re: AMD broken in -current?

2000-10-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 09:04:45PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: It use to work in early October, but now I get the following using the stock (/etc/defaults/rc.conf) amd flags: It works on my Oct 22nd world. OK, so maybe it broke even later. What does it do on your Oct 27th world

Re: ipfw question.

2000-10-28 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I know someone who is willing to substantially revise the install process, BUT: That's too much of a BUT. :) 1)They will want to keep it proprietary for commercial use for a period of at least a year, and that would Which is why it wouldn't be FreeBSD. FreeBSD is free and that

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-28 Thread Jordan Hubbard
There are many discussion aboud having NetBSD style rc.d. However, I think it takes for a period of time. Once, I wish to commit my changes to be in time for 4.2-RELEASE. I think people were talking only about -current here anyway. A NetBSD style rc.d is certainly not planned for -stable. -

The biggest reason I rearranged the timing output in make world

2000-11-05 Thread Jordan Hubbard
If you look at make release's output: make release started on Sun Nov 5 23:27:21 GMT 2000* T1 Making hierarchy Installing everything.. elf make world started on Mon Nov 6 00:25:54 GMT 2000 * T2 Rebuilding the temporary build tree stage 1: bootstrap tools

Re: Problem with dlopen()/dlsym() after recent crt* changes

2000-11-05 Thread Jordan Hubbard
After the crt changes the following piece of code, which worked previously, gives a 'host: dlopen() failed: ./module.so: Undefined symbol "__register_frame_info' error message (yeah, I know that it's better to check handle == NULL first, but it's the way some apps work). Huh! So that's why

USW2 Root: -current build report for Mon Nov 20 02:06:26 CST 2000

2000-11-20 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Kaboom. Looks like the fixes to perl unfixed the release. --- Forwarded Message Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Mon Nov 20 05:13:27 2000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com

Any plans to fix -current anytime soon?

2000-11-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I know this: === usr.bin/netstat cc -O -pipe -Wall -DIPSEC -DINET6 -DIPSEC -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/netstat/if.c In file included from /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/net/if_var.h:78, from /usr/src/usr.bin/netstat/if.c:49:

Re: make release CVS?

2000-11-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I want to start building releases on a home box since it's not doing much else when I'm at work. But I have a rather low bandwidth, so I was wondering about the CVS checkout of /usr/src that the make release does. Well, it's fairly easy to keep a cvs repo up to date even at low bandwidth

Re: Any plans to fix -current anytime soon?

2000-11-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
this problem ... On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Jordan Hubbard wrote: I know this: === usr.bin/netstat cc -O -pipe -Wall -DIPSEC -DINET6 -DIPSEC -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/inc lude -c /usr/src/usr.bin/netstat/if.c In file included from /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/net/if_var.h:78

Re: make release CVS?

2000-11-27 Thread Jordan Hubbard
But I don't understand why you need the whole historical cvs repository when you only use it to check out the current source, which you already has online. Or am I missing something too? You're missing something too. You can build a release with the tag set to anything you like - modulo

Re: ATA RAID - sysinstall solution

2000-11-06 Thread Jordan Hubbard
So I looked through sysinstall source and libdisk source and guess what ! - libdisk doesn't know about ar? devices yet. Committed, thanks! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: current.freebsd.org

2000-12-01 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Not sure if this the right place to complain or not, but current.freebsd.org does not appear to be on the net. traceroutes to both current.freebsd.org and usw2.freebsd.org (its alterego) fail. I did find that ftp7.de.freebsd.or g has the 27 November 2000 snapshot of current on it .. was

Re: Make World Time Format

2000-12-05 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Thanks, good compromise. On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 07:02:35PM -0800, Thomas D. Dean wrote: Is it possible to go back to the old style of reporting world time in Makefile? I have been collecting make time stats. I added it back, but in a way I think will not be objectionable for the

Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Jordan Hubbard
My feeling on this is that sysinstall is (and always has been :-) at the end of its life and adding multi-lingual capabilities to it is a reasonable part of its retirement. The libh project is promising but suffers from a lack of volunteers, volunteers who aren't working on sysinstall either so

Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Jordan Hubbard
No, KSE has paid developers working on it. When was the last cycle spent on libh? I'm glad you brought that up - I've been trying to find more things for you to do. I'll bring it up during the engineering staff meeting today. ;-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Confusing error messages from shell image activation

2000-12-09 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Not likely to happen - people have an investment in the current scheme and it would certainly mess with their heads if one day FreeBSD suddenly started doing something entirely different than what it's been doing for the last 7 years. For those who really want to track the NetBSD way of doing

zero copy changes in /sys/conf

2000-12-15 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Whoops, it's just been brought to my attention that I inadvertently committed a couple of harmless changes relating to the zero-copy stuff when I committed a PR fix to newvers.sh. Last I checked, there were also plans to bring the zero-copy code rather imminently into -current but I haven't seen

Build failure in -current

2000-12-17 Thread Jordan Hubbard
sh ../../conf/newvers.sh BOOTMFS cc -c -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../dev -I../../../include -I../../contrib/dev/acpica/Subsystem/Include

Re: Build failure in -current

2000-12-17 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I've been noticing this on my daily builds for the last five days. I've just tried the attached patch, which works for me. Well, that's a fix, just not the right one. :) There should be no "dangling references" to soft updates if SOFTUPDATES is not defined. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send

Re: Is compatibility for old aout binaries broken?

2000-12-18 Thread Jordan Hubbard
The generated ld.so has bloated a bit :-) but works fine. So we could in principle build ld.so for every release. It's just a question of whether we should. I think we should. But it might be just as easy to copy it off the 3.3 CD every time. It's dead end stuff after all. Does the

Re: sysinstall.8 Breaking buildworld

2001-01-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
My personal opinion is that sysinstall.8 is a part of the base system and shouldn't be optional. If we take your suggestion, it means that installworld will sometimes install this manpage and sometimes it won't. I think we should simply move the stupid man page into man8. It's a bit weird to

Re: sysinstall.8 Breaking buildworld

2001-01-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Let's put sysinstall back in sbin/ then. It _used_ to live there until someo ne moved it. :) I won't argue - move away! Just have one of the CVSmeisters do it as a repo-copy, of course. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body

Re: sysinstall.8 Breaking buildworld

2001-01-11 Thread Jordan Hubbard
yeah, but it can be used as many things. If invoked as "rm" sysinstall behaves just like the real rm, it happens to be one big binary. This, however, is merely "post-installation behavior" - if you rebuild and reinstall sysinstall in order to catch up with a bug fix to it, however, then this

Anybody else seeing a broken /dev/lpt with SMP on -current?

2001-01-12 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I've actually been seeing this for about 2 months now but only just now got motivated enough to enable crashdumps and get some information on what happens whenver I try to use the printer attached to my (sadly :) -current SMP box: IdlePTD 3682304 initial pcb at 2e70e0 panicstr: page fault panic

Zero-copy TCP patches - missing in action?

2001-01-17 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Weren't the zero-copy patches supposed to make it into -current some time back? I recall a little grumbling over it since it made it necessary for some other projects to sync up their own work, but nobody seemed to object in principal and zero-copy TCP is a real marketing point if we can

world build broken in -current as of yesterday

2001-01-23 Thread Jordan Hubbard
=== usr.bin/vmstat cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/vmstat/../../sys -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/in clude -c /usr/src/usr.bin/vmstat/vmstat.c /usr/src/usr.bin/vmstat/vmstat.c:483: warning: `pgtok' redefined /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine/param.h:166: warning: this is the loca tion of

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