Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks
About two days ago, I tested a machine with four IDE drives each on its own cable as the master. All four drives were: ad0: 29311MB Maxtor 53073U6 [59554/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA66 I used the motherboard controller to support two of the drives. It was a atapci0: Intel ICH ATA66 controller port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 and a Highpoint-based ATA66 controller for the other two drives. The Highpoint locked up with the "resetting devices" message as soon as the system was stressed. I replaced the Highpoint controller with a Promise ATA66 and didn't see any problems after that. (I've never seen any problems with the Maxtor's on the Intel ATA66 controller either.) In summary, same disks, three different controllers, problems only occur with the Highpoint controller. (I believe the Abit BP6 uses the Highpoint controller.) Alan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks
-On [2509 11:20], Alan Cox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In summary, same disks, three different controllers, problems only occur with the Highpoint controller. (I believe the Abit BP6 uses the Highpoint controller.) It does. It might be worthwhile to note that there are updates of the BP6 BIOS and the HPT366, but given the knowledge we don't use the BIOS of the HPT366 I don't know how much good that will do aside from a better system BIOS which you also get from the upgrade. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl Light, a quark resolution of god... To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks
Greg Lehey wrote: On Monday, 8 May 2000 at 9:57:54 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not all non IBM disks has problems, that was not the message back then, at least not from me. What I said, and still says, is that Maxtor and WDC has a bad reputation on making drives that can't work reliably with UDMA66, quantum has its share too but not so bad. There are some WDC disks that work nicely. This is from a BP6 board too: ad0: 26105MB WDC WD273BA [53040/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 ad1: 26105MB WDC WD273BA [53040/16/63] at ata1-master using UDMA33 ad2: 26105MB IBM-DPTA-372730 [53040/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA66 ad3: 26105MB WDC WD273BA [53040/16/63] at ata3-master using UDMA66 As far as I know, the WD273BA is in reality a DPTA-372730 in disguise, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Anybody know if it's possible to put the original IBM firmware on these disks? I've been having trouble with this one in UDMA66 mode, also on a BP6. The system just hangs solid at random: ad4: 13042MB WDC WD136BA [26500/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA66 It works fine on UDMA33. I notice that you have ad2 and ad3 running in UDMA66 mode. I didn't realise this was possible; I'll experiment. If you shut off the PIIX contoller in the BIOS the Highpoint uses ad0-3 if not it uses ad4-7 I have found problems with cdroms on the highpoint so I use both. Not the controllers fault but the applications. -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks
Alan Cox wrote: About two days ago, I tested a machine with four IDE drives each on its own cable as the master. All four drives were: ad0: 29311MB Maxtor 53073U6 [59554/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA66 I used the motherboard controller to support two of the drives. It was a atapci0: Intel ICH ATA66 controller port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 and a Highpoint-based ATA66 controller for the other two drives. The Highpoint locked up with the "resetting devices" message as soon as the system was stressed. I replaced the Highpoint controller with a Promise ATA66 and didn't see any problems after that. (I've never seen any problems with the Maxtor's on the Intel ATA66 controller either.) In summary, same disks, three different controllers, problems only occur with the Highpoint controller. (I believe the Abit BP6 uses the Highpoint controller.) I use the BP6 with FreeBSD-current and Slackware. The Highpoint works great with FreeBSD however I have a problem with the Maxtor running fsck under Linux. This has occurred since the beginning of support for the Highpoint. I have used Hedricks patches and nagged him about problems but the only remaining issue is fsck. It works perfectly with the PIIX controller. Benchmarks sizzle with the Maxtor/Highpoint almost 24MB/sec so the tradeoff is acceptable(to me). The best the IBM could muster was 20MB/sec. The Maxtor/PIIX runs a little over 19MB/sec occasionally hitting 20MB/sec. Regards, -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks
On Tuesday, 9 May 2000 at 4:14:01 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: About two days ago, I tested a machine with four IDE drives each on its own cable as the master. All four drives were: ad0: 29311MB Maxtor 53073U6 [59554/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA66 I used the motherboard controller to support two of the drives. It was a atapci0: Intel ICH ATA66 controller port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 and a Highpoint-based ATA66 controller for the other two drives. The Highpoint locked up with the "resetting devices" message as soon as the system was stressed. I replaced the Highpoint controller with a Promise ATA66 and didn't see any problems after that. (I've never seen any problems with the Maxtor's on the Intel ATA66 controller either.) In summary, same disks, three different controllers, problems only occur with the Highpoint controller. (I believe the Abit BP6 uses the Highpoint controller.) I've had these symptoms too, but with a Western Digital drive. I'm still trying to track them down. They don't happen when running on ata0 or ata1. Søren suspects it to be a problem with the drive. Greg -- Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks
I have the following disk: ad4: 9787MB WDC AC310200R [19885/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA33 and am experiencing hangs when I run it with UDMA66. I originally suspected this to be a cooling problem. But uncommenting the hlt instruction and reducing the temperature by 10 deg C, didn't help it. I read the threads from Feb, where it was said that non IBM disks had problems with the UDMA66 code in FreeBSD. Some of you said that the disks worked just fine with other OSes. I'd like to know if there has been a change in status of the UDMA66 code. The specific error messages before the hang: ad4: READ command timeout - resetting ata2: resetting devices hang -Arun To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks
[Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] It seems Arun Sharma wrote: I have the following disk: ad4: 9787MB WDC AC310200R [19885/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA33 and am experiencing hangs when I run it with UDMA66. That exact disk model cant do UDMA66 reliably, even Linux has it on the blacklist in the driver I read the threads from Feb, where it was said that non IBM disks had problems with the UDMA66 code in FreeBSD. Some of you said that the disks worked just fine with other OSes. Not all non IBM disks has problems, that was not the message back then, at least not from me. What I said, and still says, is that Maxtor and WDC has a bad reputation on making drives that can't work reliably with UDMA66, quantum has its share too but not so bad. IBM's on the other hand works as expected... Perhaps that is why Western Digital has gotten the nick name around here of ``We Don't Care''. :-) In all seriousness we stopped using WD drives in the retail store front computers over 2 years ago due to they problems we have had with them. Been using Fujitsu with very good luck, and IBM on the higher end and been very happy with them. We use to be big in Quantum scsi drives, but with IBM finally getting it's supplier side act togeather as far as channel avaliability of the SCSI products we've switched the AAI commercial server side over to them. I can't remeber when the last problem was, ohh.. yea... 1 doa unit out of 32 drives, probably caused during the assembly process of stuffing them in the kingston canisters (a not too gental operation). Infact now that I think about it that is the only problem we have had with IBM drives in over 500 units sold. Not bad, thats a .2% AQL, something I don't recall seeing in any disk drive product line we have used over the last 8 years !! -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks
"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: [Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] It seems Arun Sharma wrote: I have the following disk: ad4: 9787MB WDC AC310200R [19885/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA33 and am experiencing hangs when I run it with UDMA66. That exact disk model cant do UDMA66 reliably, even Linux has it on the blacklist in the driver I read the threads from Feb, where it was said that non IBM disks had problems with the UDMA66 code in FreeBSD. Some of you said that the disks worked just fine with other OSes. Not all non IBM disks has problems, that was not the message back then, at least not from me. What I said, and still says, is that Maxtor and WDC has a bad reputation on making drives that can't work reliably with UDMA66, quantum has its share too but not so bad. IBM's on the other hand works as expected... Perhaps that is why Western Digital has gotten the nick name around here of ``We Don't Care''. :-) In all seriousness we stopped using WD drives in the retail store front computers over 2 years ago due to they problems we have had with them. Been using Fujitsu with very good luck, and IBM on the higher end and been very happy with them. We use to be big in Quantum scsi drives, but with IBM finally getting it's supplier side act togeather as far as channel avaliability of the SCSI products we've switched the AAI commercial server side over to them. I can't remeber when the last problem was, ohh.. yea... 1 doa unit out of 32 drives, probably caused during the assembly process of stuffing them in the kingston canisters (a not too gental operation). Infact now that I think about it that is the only problem we have had with IBM drives in over 500 units sold. Not bad, thats a .2% AQL, something I don't recall seeing in any disk drive product line we have used over the last 8 years !! We have had the same luck with IBM also. Maxtor(Diamond Max Plus) is also very close. Except for several 15GB models(we since have dropped that model) we have seen a 0 failure rate with them. I don't recall ever seeing quality, price and performance like we do now. The same goes for several brands of motherboards too. This has to be the PC's golden age. Look at memory prices and quality. 1GB of PC133 can be had for under $900 and again with the assurance that a failure would be pretty rare. Regards, -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks
On Monday, 8 May 2000 at 9:57:54 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not all non IBM disks has problems, that was not the message back then, at least not from me. What I said, and still says, is that Maxtor and WDC has a bad reputation on making drives that can't work reliably with UDMA66, quantum has its share too but not so bad. There are some WDC disks that work nicely. This is from a BP6 board too: ad0: 26105MB WDC WD273BA [53040/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 ad1: 26105MB WDC WD273BA [53040/16/63] at ata1-master using UDMA33 ad2: 26105MB IBM-DPTA-372730 [53040/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA66 ad3: 26105MB WDC WD273BA [53040/16/63] at ata3-master using UDMA66 As far as I know, the WD273BA is in reality a DPTA-372730 in disguise, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Anybody know if it's possible to put the original IBM firmware on these disks? I've been having trouble with this one in UDMA66 mode, also on a BP6. The system just hangs solid at random: ad4: 13042MB WDC WD136BA [26500/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA66 It works fine on UDMA33. I notice that you have ad2 and ad3 running in UDMA66 mode. I didn't realise this was possible; I'll experiment. Greg -- Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
