Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-02-11 Thread Attila Nagy
Hello,

 He also has a login on the machine for testing but it's turned off at
 the moment I'll turn it on again if he asks.
I've already sent him a mail. BTW, is a simple login (I mean, for example
ssh) enough for this task? I would think at least a serial console access
is needed...

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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-02-11 Thread Julian Elischer


On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Attila Nagy wrote:

 Hello,
 
  He also has a login on the machine for testing but it's turned off at
  the moment I'll turn it on again if he asks.
 I've already sent him a mail. BTW, is a simple login (I mean, for example
 ssh) enough for this task? I would think at least a serial console access
 is needed...

It's 10 minutes drive away from his place :-)


 
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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-02-10 Thread Attila Nagy
Hello,

  I'll try to reproduce the thing on my machine as soon as possible.
  Perhaps it was just because it was Monday, who knows...
 Meanwhile I found out that my problem is 100% reproducible.
Since then, I contacted Kirk McKusick, who told me that he will
investigate this issue.
I also gave him access to our machine, which has a 1.2 TB filesystem on
it.

I hope he can get in before I have to take that machine into production :)

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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-02-10 Thread Julian Elischer


On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Attila Nagy wrote:

 Hello,
 
   I'll try to reproduce the thing on my machine as soon as possible.
   Perhaps it was just because it was Monday, who knows...
  Meanwhile I found out that my problem is 100% reproducible.
 Since then, I contacted Kirk McKusick, who told me that he will
 investigate this issue.
 I also gave him access to our machine, which has a 1.2 TB filesystem on
 it.

I have  a 1.9TB FS about 4 km from him..



 
 I hope he can get in before I have to take that machine into production :)
 
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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-02-10 Thread Attila Nagy
Hello,

  I also gave him access to our machine, which has a 1.2 TB filesystem
  on it.
 I have  a 1.9TB FS about 4 km from him..
That's great!
Could you please contact him? (do you also have this problem, BTW?)

Thanks,
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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-02-10 Thread Julian Elischer


On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Attila Nagy wrote:

 Hello,
 
   I also gave him access to our machine, which has a 1.2 TB filesystem
   on it.
  I have  a 1.9TB FS about 4 km from him..
 That's great!
 Could you please contact him? (do you also have this problem, BTW?)

He also has a login on the machine for testing but it's turned off at
the moment

I'll turn it on again if he asks.

 
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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-02-09 Thread Gerrit Kühn
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 06:31:42PM +0100, Gerrit Kühn wrote:

  I've been trying to reproduce this bug on my desktop. This machine has 2
  80gb disks, one of which is dedicated with one slice. So far, after 8 hard
  resets, I haven't had any problem with either the machine or bgfsck
  hanging. 

 I'll try to reproduce the thing on my machine as soon as possible.
 Perhaps it was just because it was Monday, who knows...

Meanwhile I found out that my problem is 100% reproducible.

My file systems look like this:

Filesystem  1K-blocksUsedAvail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a257838   67338   16987428%/
devfs   1   10   100%/dev
/dev/ad0s1g  57467672   2 52870258 0%/export
/dev/ad0s1f   4125838   4  3795768 0%/tmp
/dev/ad0s1e  12383502 1336152 1005667012%/usr
/dev/ad0s1d   41258383458  3792314 0%/var


When booting with non-clean filesystems, bgfsck runs quickly over a,
d, e and f. However, on g it keeps running forever. I can't kill the
fsck processes and I can't access g, though the rest of the system
seems to be usable as usual. Here is the output of ps axl:

  UID   PID  PPID CPU PRI NI   VSZ  RSS MWCHAN STAT  TT   TIME COMMAND
0 0 0   0 -16  0 0   12 sched  DLs   ??0:00.00  (swapper)
0 1 0   0   8  0   712  392 wait   ILs   ??0:00.01 /sbin/init -
0 2 0   0  -8  0 0   12 g_even DL??0:00.02  (g_event)
0 3 0   0  -8  0 0   12 g_up   DL??0:00.09  (g_up)
0 4 0   0  -8  0 0   12 g_down DL??0:00.19  (g_down)
0 5 0   0 -84  0 0   12 actask IL??0:00.00  (acpi_task0
0 6 0   0 -84  0 0   12 actask IL??0:00.00  (acpi_task1
0 7 0   0 -84  0 0   12 actask IL??0:00.00  (acpi_task2
0 8 0   0 -16  0 0   12 psleep DL??0:00.00  (pagedaemon
0 9 0   0  20  0 0   12 psleep DL??0:00.00  (vmdaemon)
010 0   0 -16  0 0   12 ktrace DL??0:00.00  (ktrace)
011 0 110 -16  0 0   12 -  RL??2:20.07  (idle)
012 0   0 -48  0 0   12 -  WL??0:00.12  (swi6: tty:
014 0   0 -44  0 0   12 -  WL??0:00.00  (swi1: net)
015 0   0  76  0 0   12 sleep  DL??0:00.05  (random)
019 0   0 -28  0 0   12 -  WL??0:00.00  (swi5: acpi
022 0   0 -64  0 0   12 -  WL??0:00.28  (irq14: ata
024 0   0 -68  0 0   12 -  WL??0:00.00  (irq11: rl0
025 0   0   8  0 0   12 usbevt DL??0:00.00  (usb0)
026 0   0   8  0 0   12 usbtsk DL??0:00.00  (usbtask)
027 0   0   8  0 0   12 usbevt DL??0:00.00  (usb1)
028 0   5 -68  0 0   12 -  WL??0:00.00  (irq12: fwo
029 0   0 -64  0 0   12 -  WL??0:00.00  (irq6: fdc0
032 0   0 -60  0 0   12 -  WL??0:00.00  (irq7: ppc0
033 0   0 -60  0 0   12 -  WL??0:00.02  (irq1: atkb
036 0  34 171  0 0   12 pgzero DL??0:00.47  (pagezero)
037 0   2  -4  0 0   12 snaplk DL??0:00.24  (bufdaemon)
038 0   0  20  0 0   12 syncer DL??0:00.01  (syncer)
039 0   0  -4  0 0   12 vlruwt DL??0:00.00  (vnlru)
040 0   0   8  0 0   12 nfsidl IL??0:00.00  (nfsiod 0)
041 0   0   8  0 0   12 nfsidl IL??0:00.00  (nfsiod 1)
042 0   0   8  0 0   12 nfsidl IL??0:00.00  (nfsiod 2)
043 0   0   8  0 0   12 nfsidl IL??0:00.00  (nfsiod 3)
0   246 1   0  96  0  1172  736 select Ss??0:00.03 /usr/sbin/sy
0   267 1   0  96  0  1372 1016 select Ss??0:00.03 /usr/sbin/rp
0   350 1 155 115  0  1220  992 select Is??0:00.01 /usr/sbin/mo
0   353 1 112 110  0  1168  876 select Is??0:00.13 nfsd: master
0   355   353 155   4  0  1128  748 nfsd   I ??0:00.00 nfsd: server
0   356   353 155   4  0  1128  748 nfsd   I ??0:00.00 nfsd: server
0   357   353 155   4  0  1128  748 nfsd   I ??0:00.00 nfsd: server
0   358   353 155   4  0  1128  748 nfsd   I ??0:00.00 nfsd: server
0   374 1   0  96  0  1144  680 select Ss??0:00.00 /usr/sbin/us
0   394 1 154 115  0  1196  808 select Is??0:00.01 /usr/sbin/lp
0   454 1 153 115  0  3092 2200 select Is??0:00.63 /usr/sbin/ss
0   460 1   0  96  0  3092 2544 select Ss??0:00.01 sendmail: ac
   25   463 1 153  20  0  2992 2500 pause  Is??0:00.00 sendmail: Qu
0   512 1   0   8  0  1236  956 nanslp Ss??0:00.01 /usr/sbin/cr
0   522 1   0   8  0  1532 1236 

Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-02-09 Thread phk
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gerrit =?iso-8859-1?Q?
K=FChn?= writes:
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 06:31:42PM +0100, Gerrit Kühn wrote:

  I've been trying to reproduce this bug on my desktop. This machine has 2
  80gb disks, one of which is dedicated with one slice. So far, after 8 hard
  resets, I haven't had any problem with either the machine or bgfsck
  hanging. 

 I'll try to reproduce the thing on my machine as soon as possible.
 Perhaps it was just because it was Monday, who knows...

Meanwhile I found out that my problem is 100% reproducible.

Sounds like bgfsck gets stuck in the snapshot creation.


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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-30 Thread Ryan Dooley
 Just try to fsck 1.2 TB and you will be very-very patient :)

Very patient indeed.  I've got a 1.0TB partition about 51% full.  It's still a 4-STABLE
system and the last fsck from a crash last Friday (bad IBM, bad, no soup for you) took 
just
about 55 minutes to fsck.  *ugh*

I'm torture testing on a 600GB partition and I was hoping to maybe roll to 5.x around
March.  It's probably a good thing that I didn't jump on it right away :-)

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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-30 Thread Ryan Dooley
 Dropping the number of inodes really helps fsck time; what does df -i
 /bigfilesystem print?

fs# df -i /users
Filesystem  1K-blocks  Used Avail Capacity iusedifree %iused  Mounted on
/dev/da2s1e 999089944 457994296 46116845650% 6094282 25170996   19%   /users

fsize = 8192, bsize = 65536, cpg = 1421

Cheers,
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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-30 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jan 30), Ryan Dooley said:
  Just try to fsck 1.2 TB and you will be very-very patient :)
 
 Very patient indeed.  I've got a 1.0TB partition about 51% full. 
 It's still a 4-STABLE system and the last fsck from a crash last
 Friday (bad IBM, bad, no soup for you) took just about 55 minutes to
 fsck.  *ugh*

Dropping the number of inodes really helps fsck time; what does df -i
/bigfilesystem print?
 
 I'm torture testing on a 600GB partition and I was hoping to maybe
 roll to 5.x around March.  It's probably a good thing that I didn't
 jump on it right away :-)


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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-28 Thread Attila Nagy
Hello,

 I've just installed my first 5.0-rel system and did some
 torture-testing. When resetting the machine to test the backgrounded
 fsck I experienced the following problem: All filesystems came back
 quickly and bg fsck worked fine, except for one. I had created a large
 (50GB) /export filesystem on with fsck reproducively hang.
See PR kern/47105.
Although it speaks of much larger filesystems, than your, the problem is
there.

I've already written to Kirk McKusick, but it seems that he has a lot of
work, because I didn't get answer.

If anybody wants to look into this problem, I can give access to the
machine (even serial console)...

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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-28 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:44:03AM +0100, Attila Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I've just installed my first 5.0-rel system and did some
  torture-testing. When resetting the machine to test the backgrounded
  fsck I experienced the following problem: All filesystems came back
  quickly and bg fsck worked fine, except for one. I had created a large
  (50GB) /export filesystem on with fsck reproducively hang.
 See PR kern/47105.
 Although it speaks of much larger filesystems, than your, the problem is
 there.
 
 I've already written to Kirk McKusick, but it seems that he has a lot of
 work, because I didn't get answer.
 
 If anybody wants to look into this problem, I can give access to the
 machine (even serial console)...

I don't see it listed in 5.0-RELEASE ERRATA. Several people have now
reported problems with background fsck and in the case Kirk as
original author is loaded with other work I see no justification to
not mention the brokenness of bgfsck.
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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-28 Thread Gerrit Kühn
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:44:03AM +0100, Attila Nagy wrote:

  I've just installed my first 5.0-rel system and did some
  torture-testing. When resetting the machine to test the backgrounded
  fsck I experienced the following problem: All filesystems came back
  quickly and bg fsck worked fine, except for one. I had created a large
  (50GB) /export filesystem on with fsck reproducively hang.

 See PR kern/47105.
 Although it speaks of much larger filesystems, than your, the problem is
 there.

47105 seems to be slightly different from what I saw, because my
machine never paniced; the fsck just hung forever.

 I've already written to Kirk McKusick, but it seems that he has a lot of
 work, because I didn't get answer.

Ok, then things are already on their way, I guess.

 If anybody wants to look into this problem, I can give access to the
 machine (even serial console)...

I wonder if it's only the large filesystem that triggers this problem.
Actually I think that my 50GB are not /that/ large, and someone else
should have noticed the problem before.
BTW: As mentioned in the PR one workaround is to turn off bg fsck. On
the other hand bg fsck is working fine on smaller filesystems. Is
there a way to turn bg fsck off for just one partition?


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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-28 Thread Attila Nagy
Hello,

 47105 seems to be slightly different from what I saw, because my machine
 never paniced; the fsck just hung forever.
It depends. My machine hangs, there's no panic.

  I've already written to Kirk McKusick, but it seems that he has a lot
  of work, because I didn't get answer.
 Ok, then things are already on their way, I guess.
Don't know, but I hope :)

 I wonder if it's only the large filesystem that triggers this problem.
 Actually I think that my 50GB are not /that/ large, and someone else
 should have noticed the problem before.
I wonder what's the common in our case, then.

 BTW: As mentioned in the PR one workaround is to turn off bg fsck. On
 the other hand bg fsck is working fine on smaller filesystems. Is there
 a way to turn bg fsck off for just one partition?
I don't know any. BTW, the big partitions are those which needs the extra
time, so it is very likely that you won't benefit too much from this...

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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-28 Thread Andre Guibert de Bruet


On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Vallo Kallaste wrote:

 On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:44:03AM +0100, Attila Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I've just installed my first 5.0-rel system and did some
   torture-testing. When resetting the machine to test the backgrounded
   fsck I experienced the following problem: All filesystems came back
   quickly and bg fsck worked fine, except for one. I had created a large
   (50GB) /export filesystem on with fsck reproducively hang.
  See PR kern/47105.
  Although it speaks of much larger filesystems, than your, the problem is
  there.
 
  I've already written to Kirk McKusick, but it seems that he has a lot of
  work, because I didn't get answer.

 I don't see it listed in 5.0-RELEASE ERRATA. Several people have now
 reported problems with background fsck and in the case Kirk as
 original author is loaded with other work I see no justification to
 not mention the brokenness of bgfsck.

I've been trying to reproduce this bug on my desktop. This machine has 2
80gb disks, one of which is dedicated with one slice. So far, after 8 hard
resets, I haven't had any problem with either the machine or bgfsck
hanging. Here's what df's output looks like:

Filesystem  1K-blocks UsedAvail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a128990834083526470%/
devfs   110   100%/dev
/dev/ad0s1f257998  404   236956 0%/tmp
/dev/ad0s1g  74757832  5774972 63002234 8%/usr
/dev/ad0s1e25799821122   216238 9%/var
procfs  440   100%/proc
/dev/ad1s1e  76955976 49105248 2169425069%/export

Regards,

 Andre Guibert de Bruet | Enterprise Software Consultant 
 Silicon Landmark, LLC. | http://siliconlandmark.com/


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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-28 Thread Robert Watson

On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Andre Guibert de Bruet wrote:

  I don't see it listed in 5.0-RELEASE ERRATA. Several people have now
  reported problems with background fsck and in the case Kirk as
  original author is loaded with other work I see no justification to
  not mention the brokenness of bgfsck.
 
 I've been trying to reproduce this bug on my desktop. This machine has 2
 80gb disks, one of which is dedicated with one slice. So far, after 8
 hard resets, I haven't had any problem with either the machine or bgfsck
 hanging. Here's what df's output looks like: 

Following reports of problems with bgfsck during the 5.0-RC series, and
prior to the release, I spent some time adding hard disks to machines,
resetting without clean shutdowns, and then interrupting background fscks,
piles of builds going, etc. When I started, it was fairly problematic, but
after Kirk's last batch of buffer fixes, etc, it was pretty much 100%
reliable on the boxes I was testing on.  However, all those boxes used
40gb drives or smaller.  I'll see if I can't dig up some larger drives in
the next week or two and try doing that again. 

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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-28 Thread Gerrit Kühn
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 12:22:10PM -0500, Andre Guibert de Bruet wrote:


 I've been trying to reproduce this bug on my desktop. This machine has 2
 80gb disks, one of which is dedicated with one slice. So far, after 8 hard
 resets, I haven't had any problem with either the machine or bgfsck
 hanging. 

I'll try to reproduce the thing on my machine as soon as possible.
Perhaps it was just because it was Monday, who knows...


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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-28 Thread Gerrit Kühn
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 04:23:08PM +0100, Attila Nagy wrote:

  47105 seems to be slightly different from what I saw, because my machine
  never paniced; the fsck just hung forever.

 It depends. My machine hangs, there's no panic.

Yes, I overlooked that in the PR when I read it first. Mine was still
usable: I could switch VTs and even log in, but I couldn't do anything
about the hanging fsck processes.

   I've already written to Kirk McKusick, but it seems that he has a lot
   of work, because I didn't get answer.
  Ok, then things are already on their way, I guess.
 Don't know, but I hope :)

That makes two of us. :)

  I wonder if it's only the large filesystem that triggers this problem.
  Actually I think that my 50GB are not /that/ large, and someone else
  should have noticed the problem before.
 I wonder what's the common in our case, then.

I really don't know. I have a SV25 barebone system from Shuttle (VIA
Twister Chipset) and an IBM deskstar 80GB IDE HD. Does that sound
familiar to you?

  BTW: As mentioned in the PR one workaround is to turn off bg fsck. On
  the other hand bg fsck is working fine on smaller filesystems. Is there
  a way to turn bg fsck off for just one partition?

 I don't know any. BTW, the big partitions are those which needs the extra
 time, so it is very likely that you won't benefit too much from this...

Well, the drive has 80GB, the big partition is 50GB, so I would save
something like 3/8 of the time. Not too much, but better than nothing,
I thought. ;)


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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-28 Thread Gerrit Kühn
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 12:34:25PM -0500, Robert Watson wrote:


 Following reports of problems with bgfsck during the 5.0-RC series, and
 prior to the release, I spent some time adding hard disks to machines,
 resetting without clean shutdowns, and then interrupting background fscks,
 piles of builds going, etc. When I started, it was fairly problematic, but
 after Kirk's last batch of buffer fixes, etc, it was pretty much 100%
 reliable on the boxes I was testing on.  

Have these fixes been applied to 5.0-rel, too? If not, I'm considering
updating to -current.


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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-28 Thread Attila Nagy
Hello,

 I really don't know. I have a SV25 barebone system from Shuttle (VIA
 Twister Chipset) and an IBM deskstar 80GB IDE HD. Does that sound
 familiar to you?
Nope, mine is completely different.
It is a HP tc4100 (I think it has an Intel MOBO, but I'm not sure) with an
AHA-2940 controller and a Promise RM-8000 attached to it with 8 pieces of
WD-2000JB disks.

 Well, the drive has 80GB, the big partition is 50GB, so I would save
 something like 3/8 of the time. Not too much, but better than nothing, I
 thought. ;)
Just try to fsck 1.2 TB and you will be very-very patient :)

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Re: Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-28 Thread Robert Watson

On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Gerrit Kühn wrote:

 On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 12:34:25PM -0500, Robert Watson wrote:
 
  Following reports of problems with bgfsck during the 5.0-RC series, and
  prior to the release, I spent some time adding hard disks to machines,
  resetting without clean shutdowns, and then interrupting background fscks,
  piles of builds going, etc. When I started, it was fairly problematic, but
  after Kirk's last batch of buffer fixes, etc, it was pretty much 100%
  reliable on the boxes I was testing on.  
 
 Have these fixes been applied to 5.0-rel, too? If not, I'm considering
 updating to -current. 

I believe all of the fixes were applied prior to the release, and that
they were all merged into the release branch, and hence should be present
in the final cut of 5.0.  The bugfixes were largely in the area of
snapshot handling, and so can be picked out of the CVS logs largely on the
file ffs_snapshot.c.  Most were for resource or locking deadlock issues. 

Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects
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Does bg fsck have problems with large filesystems?

2003-01-27 Thread Gerrit Kühn
Hi all,

I've just installed my first 5.0-rel system and did some
torture-testing. When resetting the machine to test the backgrounded
fsck I experienced the following problem:
All filesystems came back quickly and bg fsck worked fine, except for
one. I had created a large (50GB) /export filesystem on with fsck
reproducively hang. I also couldn't reboot the system cleanly anymore,
because of those fsck processes not going away.
Finally, I commented out /export from /etc/fstab and run fsck manually
in fg mode after the rest of the system had been checked cleanly.
There were a few errors, and after that the check finished and marked
the system as clean. However, mounting the clean system took several
seconds and gave me this message from the kernel:
FFS_SNAPSHOT_MOUNT: old format snapshot inode 4
Well, whatever... :)

Nevertheless everything is working fine now, again. I havn't checked
yet, but will this happen every time my systems reboots without
unmounting the filesystems cleanly? Is anything wrong with filesystems
that large, or could I have done anything else that causes this strange
behaviour?


cu
  Gerrit
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