Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:22:49 PM Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 10:22:04 +0100 > David Chisnall wrote: > > > On 5 Apr 2016, at 10:07, Gergely Czuczy wrote: > > > > > > Also, quite often entries from the base system are changed

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 13:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Tue, 5 Apr 2016, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > > > Will there be an option not to merge? I never update /etc when > > I do installworld because what I have works for me and I see no > > need to make any changes to a

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On 2016-04-05 13:42, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: On Tue, 5 Apr 2016, Gary Jennejohn wrote: Will there be an option not to merge? I never update /etc when I do installworld because what I have works for me and I see no need to make any changes to a working system. And you expect your system to

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > Will there be an option not to merge? I never update /etc when > I do installworld because what I have works for me and I see no > need to make any changes to a working system. And you expect your system to continue working after a new system user is

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 12:22:49PM +0200, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 10:22:04 +0100 > David Chisnall wrote: > > > On 5 Apr 2016, at 10:07, Gergely Czuczy wrote: > > > > > > Also, quite often entries from the base system are

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 10:22:04 +0100 David Chisnall wrote: > On 5 Apr 2016, at 10:07, Gergely Czuczy wrote: > > > > Also, quite often entries from the base system are changed > > manually, think of root's/toor's password. Are such cases > > going

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On 5 Apr 2016, at 10:07, Gergely Czuczy wrote: > > Also, quite often entries from the base system are changed manually, think of > root's/toor's password. Are such cases going to be dealt with properly > between upgrades, including self-built-and-packaged base

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On 2016-01-27 23:33, Glen Barber wrote: As many know, work has been in progress for quite some time to provide the ability to package and upgrade the FreeBSD base system using pkg(8). The majority of the initial implementation has provided much of the core functionality to make this possible,

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 10:30:25PM -0800, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > That would be like trying to install FreeBSD 11 on PDP-11 hardware. Good > luck with that, Slawa, you'll need it! :) On Pentium-IV. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 01:24:53PM -0800, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Pentium-IV in 1980? I think we are talking about +35 years from now. +35 years is incorrect calculated. Only +14. > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:40 AM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

Pentium-IV in 1980? I think we are talking about +35 years from now. -Max On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:40 AM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 10:30:25PM -0800, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > > That would be like trying to install FreeBSD 11 on PDP-11 hardware.

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 08:06, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: ... > What about upgrade strongly outdated system? > For example 11.0 at time 18.0? I.e. packages for 11.0 don't available, > pkg from 11.0 don't undertund package base from 18.0 and etc. This is an important question to

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:18:06PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:46:39PM +, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > from Glen Barber: > > > > > As many know, work has been in progress for quite some time to provide > > > the ability to package and upgrade the FreeBSD base

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:09:56AM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: > >> Yes, but but real usage of it would happen in a second step because of many > >> rought edges to be deal with. but yes the information would be available > >> > >> see: > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br6izhH5P1I > >> and > >>

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On 2016-01-28 11:06, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:18:06PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:46:39PM +, Thomas Mueller wrote: >>> from Glen Barber: >>> As many know, work has been in progress for quite some time to provide the

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:04:00PM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: > On 2016-01-28 12:00, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:09:56AM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: > > > Yes, but but real usage of it would happen in a second step because of > many > rought edges to be

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On 2016-01-28 12:00, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:09:56AM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: > Yes, but but real usage of it would happen in a second step because of many rought edges to be deal with. but yes the information would be available see:

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

This is going to be huge for FreeBSD. Thank you Glen, Bapt and I believe Peter Wemm as well. Having been engineering lead on multiple appliances based on FreeBSD this is going to revolutionize and make life so much easier for future appliance endeavors and general manageability of FreeBSD.

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

That would be like trying to install FreeBSD 11 on PDP-11 hardware. Good luck with that, Slawa, you'll need it! :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 8:09 AM, Allan Jude wrote: > On 2016-01-28 11:06, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:18:06PM +0100, Baptiste

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:45:16AM -0800, NGie Cooper wrote: > > > On Jan 28, 2016, at 09:38, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:28:32AM -0800, NGie Cooper wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On Jan 28, 2016, at 08:06, Slawa Olhovchenkov

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 08:09, Allan Jude wrote: ... > According to our current release schedule, FreeBSD 18.0 will not come > out for 35 years (2051). > > The general approach would appear to be just downloading new packages > and updating the system. For a drastic

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On 2016-01-28 12:25, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:04:00PM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: > >> On 2016-01-28 12:00, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:09:56AM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: >>> >> Yes, but but real usage of it would happen in a second step

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:12:53PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > I see two hudge problem for support upgrades from older RELEASE > versions (supported too): key (used for repo signing) change and need > to access ports packages to install (installed outdated release can't > find pkg packet

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 06:23:22PM +, Glen Barber wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:12:53PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > I see two hudge problem for support upgrades from older RELEASE > > versions (supported too): key (used for repo signing) change and need > > to access ports

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 09:38, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:28:32AM -0800, NGie Cooper wrote: >> >> >>> On Jan 28, 2016, at 08:06, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >> >> >> ... >> >>> What about upgrade strongly outdated system? >>>

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:58:52PM -0500, Nikolai Lifanov wrote: > > > On January 28, 2016 1:23:22 PM EST, Glen Barber wrote: > >On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:12:53PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > >> I see two hudge problem for support upgrades from older RELEASE > >>

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On January 28, 2016 1:23:22 PM EST, Glen Barber wrote: >On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:12:53PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >> I see two hudge problem for support upgrades from older RELEASE >> versions (supported too): key (used for repo signing) change and need >> to access

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

from Glen Barber: > As many know, work has been in progress for quite some time to provide > the ability to package and upgrade the FreeBSD base system using pkg(8). > The majority of the initial implementation has provided much of the core > functionality to make this possible, however much work

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:46:39PM +, Thomas Mueller wrote: > from Glen Barber: > > > As many know, work has been in progress for quite some time to provide > > the ability to package and upgrade the FreeBSD base system using pkg(8). > > The majority of the initial implementation has provided

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:09:56AM -0500, Allan Jude wrote: > The approach for offering an upgrade from 10.x to 11.0 will be the more > interesting endeavour. > At present, the plan is to provide supported 10.x releases with the knowledge of what is added/removed in 11.0-RELEASE, be it through a

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:28:32AM -0800, NGie Cooper wrote: > > > On Jan 28, 2016, at 08:06, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > > ... > > > What about upgrade strongly outdated system? > > For example 11.0 at time 18.0? I.e. packages for 11.0 don't available, > > pkg from 11.0

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On 28 Jan 2016, at 17:45, NGie Cooper wrote: > > Also, consider that you're going to be allowing upgrades from older RELEASE > versions of the OS which might be using a fixed copy of pkgng -- how are you > going to support that? I believe that the plan is to promote the

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:56:31PM +, David Chisnall wrote: > On 28 Jan 2016, at 17:45, NGie Cooper wrote: > > > > Also, consider that you're going to be allowing upgrades from older RELEASE > > versions of the OS which might be using a fixed copy of pkgng -- how are

Re: Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

Awesome. Thanks for the update, and info Glen. It looks like I will be subscribing to another list tonight! Joe Maloney On 01/27/16 16:33, Glen Barber wrote: As many know, work has been in progress for quite some time to provide the ability to package and upgrade the FreeBSD base system

Packaging the FreeBSD base system with pkg(8)

As many know, work has been in progress for quite some time to provide the ability to package and upgrade the FreeBSD base system using pkg(8). The majority of the initial implementation has provided much of the core functionality to make this possible, however much work still needs to be done.