Re: [IMPORT] bsdconfig(8)
On 14/07/2012 03:48, Devin Teske wrote: I'm [re-]announcing that (after much delay from the first announcement) that I am finally importing bsdconfig(8) into HEAD. I've noticed a couple of issues: The welcome page mentions setting the root password and the time zone, but bsdinstall will have already done that. ...look at the 'Packages' item in this menu. and on the main page - Most importantly, you can use the Packages utility... - I don't see a Packages entry in the menu. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [IMPORT] bsdconfig(8)
On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:34 AM, Bruce Cran wrote: On 14/07/2012 03:48, Devin Teske wrote: I'm [re-]announcing that (after much delay from the first announcement) that I am finally importing bsdconfig(8) into HEAD. I've noticed a couple of issues: The welcome page mentions setting the root password and the time zone, but bsdinstall will have already done that. The goal is to have bsdinstall drop those functionalities and instead link to bsdconfig. ...look at the 'Packages' item in this menu. and on the main page - Most importantly, you can use the Packages utility... - I don't see a Packages entry in the menu. This will be added before MFC and before switching WITH_BSDCONFIG to WITHOUT_BSDCONFIG. bsdconfig needs to replicate package installation because sysinstall had it… but bsdconfig is going to use pkgng instead of the legacy tools. This will greatly improve the abilities of the tool (you'll be able to perform remote package queries, etc. -- something you couldn't ever do in sysinstall). However, in order to build a more full-and-complete package management tool based on pkgng, we needed the help of bapt (and he's agreed to help -- later). Right now, bsdconfig and pkgng are maturing side-by-side without knowledge of each other. As they both slow down a bit, integration becomes a closer reality and less of a moving target. -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [IMPORT] bsdconfig(8)
On 14/07/2012 20:49, Devin Teske wrote: The goal is to have bsdinstall drop those functionalities and instead link to bsdconfig. Won't that mean it'll be possible to end up with an installation without a root password set? -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [IMPORT] bsdconfig(8)
On Jul 14, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: On 14/07/2012 20:49, Devin Teske wrote: The goal is to have bsdinstall drop those functionalities and instead link to bsdconfig. Won't that mean it'll be possible to end up with an installation without a root password set? No. The implication is that bsdconfig and bsdinstall will forever live side-by-side once linked together. That includes having bsdconfig live on the installation media so that bsdinstall can utilize it during the installation to (among other things) set the root password. -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [IMPORT] bsdconfig(8)
On 14/07/2012 21:17, Devin Teske wrote: The implication is that bsdconfig and bsdinstall will forever live side-by-side once linked together. That includes having bsdconfig live on the installation media so that bsdinstall can utilize it during the installation to (among other things) set the root password. Doesn't that mean that bsdconfig would be invoked as bsdconfig password which would bypass the welcome screen and so by the time the user does see it the root password (and timezone) will have been set? -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [IMPORT] bsdconfig(8)
On Jul 14, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: On 14/07/2012 21:17, Devin Teske wrote: The implication is that bsdconfig and bsdinstall will forever live side-by-side once linked together. That includes having bsdconfig live on the installation media so that bsdinstall can utilize it during the installation to (among other things) set the root password. Doesn't that mean that bsdconfig would be invoked as bsdconfig password which would bypass the welcome screen and so by the time the user does see it the root password (and timezone) will have been set? No. In 8.x, when you're performing the guided install, will prompt you to set the root password among many other things. At the very end, it prompts you as to whether you'd like to visit the configuration menu one more time. In 9.x and higher, bsdinstall (taking the place of sysinstall) in a similar manner asks you to set the root password among many other things, but does not ask you if you'd like to visit the configuration menu one more time (because there isn't one). So think of it this way… bsdinstall has these functionalities but no menu to invoke them. By removing these functionalities from bsdinstall and instead using bsdconfig for these functionalities, the scenario now becomes… bsdinstall asks to set the root password (by either executing bsdconfig password -- in which a transition is only noticeable because the --backtitle changes from FreeBSD Installer to bsdconfig -- or bsdinstall could instead include /usr/libexec/bsdconfig/040.password/include/password.subr and call the f_dialog_input_password() function where it can control --backtitle to make the usage even more seemless; making bsdconfig's functionality look like bsdinstall's). After asking to set the root password, bsdinstall can now (like sysinstall) ask the user if they'd like to visit the configuration menu one last time to make any additional changes (and bsdconfig -- no arguments -- would provide that menu). -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [IMPORT] bsdconfig(8)
On 14/07/2012 22:07, Devin Teske wrote: bsdinstall asks to set the root password (by either executing bsdconfig password -- in which a transition is only noticeable because the --backtitle changes from FreeBSD Installer to bsdconfig -- or bsdinstall could instead include /usr/libexec/bsdconfig/040.password/include/password.subr and call the f_dialog_input_password() function where it can control --backtitle to make the usage even more seemless; making bsdconfig's functionality look like bsdinstall's). After asking to set the root password, bsdinstall can now (like sysinstall) ask the user if they'd like to visit the configuration menu one last time to make any additional changes (and bsdconfig -- no arguments -- would provide that menu). You forgot to explain the 'express' mode that bypasses the bsdconfig password step. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [IMPORT] bsdconfig(8)
On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: On 14/07/2012 22:07, Devin Teske wrote: bsdinstall asks to set the root password (by either executing bsdconfig password -- in which a transition is only noticeable because the --backtitle changes from FreeBSD Installer to bsdconfig -- or bsdinstall could instead include /usr/libexec/bsdconfig/040.password/include/password.subr and call the f_dialog_input_password() function where it can control --backtitle to make the usage even more seemless; making bsdconfig's functionality look like bsdinstall's). After asking to set the root password, bsdinstall can now (like sysinstall) ask the user if they'd like to visit the configuration menu one last time to make any additional changes (and bsdconfig -- no arguments -- would provide that menu). You forgot to explain the 'express' mode that bypasses the bsdconfig password step. Did I? When one starts discussing 'Express Install', we're clearly in the realm of bsdinstall, not bsdconfig. Like you stated, in that case bsdinstall would not use bsdconfig. -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [IMPORT] bsdconfig(8)
On 14/07/2012 22:58, Devin Teske wrote: Did I? When one starts discussing 'Express Install', we're clearly in the realm of bsdinstall, not bsdconfig. Like you stated, in that case bsdinstall would not use bsdconfig. I'm getting really confused here. Either bsdconfig password gets run before the post-install configuration menu is shown and therefore the text saying to set the root password in the welcome screen is unnecessary, or it doesn't get run and it's possible to quit bsdconfig without setting the root password. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [IMPORT] bsdconfig(8)
On Jul 14, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: On 14/07/2012 22:58, Devin Teske wrote: Did I? When one starts discussing 'Express Install', we're clearly in the realm of bsdinstall, not bsdconfig. Like you stated, in that case bsdinstall would not use bsdconfig. I'm getting really confused here. Either bsdconfig password gets run before the post-install configuration menu is shown and therefore the text saying to set the root password in the welcome screen is unnecessary, or it doesn't get run and it's possible to quit bsdconfig without setting the root password. Ok, it's more clear to me that the concern is with the welcome screen. 1. The welcome screen _text_ was ripped straight from sysinstall except with one difference… s/Pascal/Firefox/ (updating it for the current generations). 2. Currently this text is shoved in your face but it won't always be. The text will be moved to a Help screen. So, in a way you're absolutely right… you've highlighted a conundrum (the welcome screen contains text which is not suitable for a welcome screen) because bsdinstall did something differently than sysinstall in this one case (reasons below; solution above -- get rid of the welcome screen). The reason why we (Ron and I) chose to not implement the help-text in the same way that sysinstall does (go to the Configure top-level menu and then press F1) is that bsdconfig strives to be compatible with both dialog(1) and [purported drop-in replacement] Xdialog(1) -- and the latter doesn't support hooking into F1. However, it's agreed that the welcome screen is not the right way to re-implement the configure.help file from sysinstall (actually rescuing _all_ of the *.help files from the clutches of the Attic -- further internationalizing them in the process too). The envisioned construct right now is to add a third button labeled Help. This can be done in both dialog(1) and Xdialog(1) (see bsdconfig startup_rcconf and the Details button -- except instead of dangling a menu off of it, it will produce a box with the desired help-text. Of course, making this scalable and usable is a challenge so we haven't yet migrated away from the welcome screen before the import to HEAD. It will be dealt with before MFC and also before WITH_BSDCONFIG becomes WITHOUT_BSDCONFIG. -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
