Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-13 Thread O. Hartmann
On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 07:16:56 -0700 Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <20160409105444.7020f2f1.ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de>, "O. > Hartmann" > writes: > > --Sig_/SqWr.x1C_BgJVIYh7m_9T5y > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Content-Transfer-Encoding:

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-11 Thread Adrian Chadd
Can you try 'ifconfig wlan0 promisc' instead and see if that helps? -a ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I have been trying to capture a packet trace for the breaking SSH and while not a statistically rigid conclusion, it doesnt seem to happen when I run a tcpdump on wlan0. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-10 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <20160409105444.7020f2f1.ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de>, "O. Hartmann" writes: > --Sig_/SqWr.x1C_BgJVIYh7m_9T5y > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Am Mon, 04 Apr 2016 23:46:08 -0700 > Cy Schubert

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-09 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Mon, 04 Apr 2016 23:46:08 -0700 Cy Schubert schrieb: > In message <20160405082047.670d7...@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de>, > "O. H > artmann" writes: > > On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 16:14:57 -0700 > > Cy Schubert wrote: > > > > > In

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-05 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <20160405092712.131ee...@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de>, "O. H artmann" writes: > On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 23:46:08 -0700 > Cy Schubert wrote: > > > In message <20160405082047.670d7...@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de>, > > "O. H > > artmann" writes: >

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-05 Thread O. Hartmann
On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 23:46:08 -0700 Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <20160405082047.670d7...@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de>, > "O. H > artmann" writes: > > On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 16:14:57 -0700 > > Cy Schubert wrote: > > > > > In message

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-05 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <20160405082047.670d7...@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de>, "O. H artmann" writes: > On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 16:14:57 -0700 > Cy Schubert wrote: > > > In message <20160402231955.41b05526.ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de>, "O. > > Hartmann" > > writes: > > >

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-05 Thread O. Hartmann
On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 16:14:57 -0700 Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <20160402231955.41b05526.ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de>, "O. > Hartmann" > writes: > > --Sig_/eJJPtbrEuK1nN2zIpc7BmVr > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Content-Transfer-Encoding:

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-02 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <20160402113910.14de7eaf.ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de>, "O. Hartmann" writes: > --Sig_/cnPyYwlIcD24/.m6dd2EX7j > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Am Sat, 2 Apr 2016 10:55:03 +0200 > "O. Hartmann"

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-02 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <20160402231955.41b05526.ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de>, "O. Hartmann" writes: > --Sig_/eJJPtbrEuK1nN2zIpc7BmVr > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Am Sat, 2 Apr 2016 11:39:10 +0200 > "O. Hartmann"

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-02 Thread Cy Schubert
In message , Kevin Oberman writes: > --089e01176a5d71db0d052f8803c7 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 2:19 PM, O. Hartmann > wrote: > > > Am Sat, 2 Apr 2016

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-02 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <20160402105503.7ede5be1.ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de>, "O. Hartmann" writes: > --Sig_/VIBPN0rbNwuyJuk=dxEGA+U > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Am Sat, 02 Apr 2016 01:07:55 -0700 > Cy Schubert

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-02 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 2:19 PM, O. Hartmann wrote: > Am Sat, 2 Apr 2016 11:39:10 +0200 > "O. Hartmann" schrieb: > > > Am Sat, 2 Apr 2016 10:55:03 +0200 > > "O. Hartmann" schrieb: > > > > > Am Sat, 02 Apr

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-02 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Sat, 2 Apr 2016 11:39:10 +0200 "O. Hartmann" schrieb: > Am Sat, 2 Apr 2016 10:55:03 +0200 > "O. Hartmann" schrieb: > > > Am Sat, 02 Apr 2016 01:07:55 -0700 > > Cy Schubert schrieb: > > > > > In message

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-02 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Sat, 2 Apr 2016 10:55:03 +0200 "O. Hartmann" schrieb: > Am Sat, 02 Apr 2016 01:07:55 -0700 > Cy Schubert schrieb: > > > In message <56f6c6b0.6010...@protected-networks.net>, Michael Butler > > writes: > > > -current is not great for

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-02 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Sat, 02 Apr 2016 01:07:55 -0700 Cy Schubert schrieb: > In message <56f6c6b0.6010...@protected-networks.net>, Michael Butler writes: > > -current is not great for interactive use at all. The strategy of > > pre-emptively dropping idle processes to swap is hurting ..

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-02 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <56f6c6b0.6010...@protected-networks.net>, Michael Butler writes: > -current is not great for interactive use at all. The strategy of > pre-emptively dropping idle processes to swap is hurting .. big time. FreeBSD doesn't "preemptively" or arbitrarily push pages out to disk. LRU

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-02 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <56f6c6b0.6010...@protected-networks.net>, Michael Butler writes: > -current is not great for interactive use at all. The strategy of > pre-emptively dropping idle processes to swap is hurting .. big time. > > Compare inactive memory to swap in this example .. > > 110 processes: 1

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-02 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <201603300728.u2u7sdwc092...@gw.catspoiler.org>, Don Lewis writes: > On 29 Mar, To: ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: > > On 28 Mar, Don Lewis wrote: > >> On 28 Mar, O. Hartmann wrote: > > > >> If I get a chance, I try booting my FreeBSD 11 machine with less RAM to > >> see if that

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-01 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Fri, 1 Apr 2016 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Don Lewis schrieb: > On 1 Apr, O. Hartmann wrote: > > Am Wed, 30 Mar 2016 00:28:39 -0700 (PDT) > > Don Lewis schrieb: > > >> Do you use tmpfs? Anything stored in there will get stashed in inactive > >>

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-01 Thread Don Lewis
On 1 Apr, O. Hartmann wrote: > Am Wed, 30 Mar 2016 00:28:39 -0700 (PDT) > Don Lewis schrieb: >> Do you use tmpfs? Anything stored in there will get stashed in inactive >> memory and/or swap. > [...] > > Yes, /var/run and /tmp are on tmpfs There is probably not enough

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-04-01 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Wed, 30 Mar 2016 00:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Don Lewis schrieb: > On 29 Mar, To: ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: > > On 28 Mar, Don Lewis wrote: > >> On 28 Mar, O. Hartmann wrote: > > > >> If I get a chance, I try booting my FreeBSD 11 machine with less RAM to > >>

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-30 Thread Don Lewis
On 29 Mar, To: ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: > On 28 Mar, Don Lewis wrote: >> On 28 Mar, O. Hartmann wrote: > >> If I get a chance, I try booting my FreeBSD 11 machine with less RAM to >> see if that is a trigger. > > I just tried cranking hw.physmen down to 8 GB on 11.0-CURRENT r297204, >

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-29 Thread Don Lewis
On 28 Mar, Don Lewis wrote: > On 28 Mar, O. Hartmann wrote: > If I get a chance, I try booting my FreeBSD 11 machine with less RAM to > see if that is a trigger. I just tried cranking hw.physmen down to 8 GB on 11.0-CURRENT r297204, GENERIC kernel. /boot/loader.conf contains:

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-29 Thread O. Hartmann
On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Don Lewis wrote: > On 28 Mar, O. Hartmann wrote: > > Am Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT) > > Don Lewis schrieb: > > > >> On 26 Mar, Michael Butler wrote: > >> > -current is not great for interactive

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-28 Thread Don Lewis
On 28 Mar, O. Hartmann wrote: > Am Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT) > Don Lewis schrieb: > >> On 26 Mar, Michael Butler wrote: >> > -current is not great for interactive use at all. The strategy of >> > pre-emptively dropping idle processes to swap is hurting .. big

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-28 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Don Lewis schrieb: > On 26 Mar, Michael Butler wrote: > > -current is not great for interactive use at all. The strategy of > > pre-emptively dropping idle processes to swap is hurting .. big time. > > > > Compare inactive memory to

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <201603262331.u2qnvxvm080...@gw.catspoiler.org>, Don Lewis writes: >> I am not running zfs. Ohh, and I should probably add: I don't have a swap-space configured. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-26 Thread Don Lewis
On 26 Mar, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message > > , Ultima writes: > >> A large zfs send [...] > > I am not running zfs. I am. I'm not seeing any unexpected problems. I haven't really loaded this system up

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Ultima writes: > A large zfs send [...] I am not running zfs. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-26 Thread Ultima
Having this long timeout issue occur many times during the day. Normally not this bad, currently on r297060 amd64. A few hours ago had a system hang that lasted for about 1-2 hours.(not sure how long exactly, gave up waiting) It occured after a zfs destroy operation and affected sshd. (could no

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-26 Thread Don Lewis
On 26 Mar, Michael Butler wrote: > -current is not great for interactive use at all. The strategy of > pre-emptively dropping idle processes to swap is hurting .. big time. > > Compare inactive memory to swap in this example .. > > 110 processes: 1 running, 108 sleeping, 1 zombie > CPU: 1.2%

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-26 Thread Don Lewis
On 26 Mar, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message > > , Adrian Chadd writes: > > I can second that -current isn't too great right now, and I also see > the breaking SSH sessions. > > I'm running: > > FreeBSD

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Adrian Chadd writes: I can second that -current isn't too great right now, and I also see the breaking SSH sessions. I'm running: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #32 r296137: Sat Feb 27 11:34:01 UTC 2016 I

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-26 Thread Adrian Chadd
hiya, can you identify a revision where it /doesn't/ do broken pipe? That'd be the best way to start debugging this and figure out which revision broke things. I haven't updated to the latest -HEAD on anything just yet; everything's a few weeks old. Thanks, -a On 25 March 2016 at 13:30, O.

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-26 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Sat, 26 Mar 2016 13:28:16 -0400 Michael Butler schrieb: > -current is not great for interactive use at all. The strategy of > pre-emptively dropping idle processes to swap is hurting .. big time. What is the gain then? If this "feature" results in corrupted ssh

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-26 Thread K. Macy
Sorry meant inpcb and autocorrect "fixed" it. On Saturday, March 26, 2016, O. Hartmann wrote: > Am Fri, 25 Mar 2016 13:31:31 -0700 > "K. Macy" > schrieb: > > > Does this pre or postage input changes? > > ??? > > First of all, and the

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-26 Thread Michael Butler
-current is not great for interactive use at all. The strategy of pre-emptively dropping idle processes to swap is hurting .. big time. Compare inactive memory to swap in this example .. 110 processes: 1 running, 108 sleeping, 1 zombie CPU: 1.2% user, 0.0% nice, 4.3% system, 0.0% interrupt,

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-26 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Fri, 25 Mar 2016 13:31:31 -0700 "K. Macy" schrieb: > Does this pre or postage input changes? ??? First of all, and the most visible fact is, that the ssh connection with high terminal i/o (compiling world, poudriere bulk ...) receives very often broken pipe. The

Re: CURRENT slow and shaky network stability

2016-03-25 Thread K. Macy
Does this pre or postage input changes? On Friday, March 25, 2016, O. Hartmann wrote: > Since a couple of days now, FreeBSD CURRENT (at the moment with FreeBSD > 11.0-CURRENT #9 > r297267: Fri Mar 25 09:48:07 CET 2016 amd64) "feels" a kind of shaky and > like