Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
I agree with this as well. > > "Linux compatibility" > > "Linux ABI support" > > "Linux binary compatibility" > > The suggested "linux mode", has a nice non-technical simple ring to it. > If we called it this, the non-educated might not come away with the wrong > idea. Management(tm) may not understand "ABI" and the exact use of > "binary". > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
> "Linux compatibility" > "Linux ABI support" > "Linux binary compatibility" The suggested "linux mode", has a nice non-technical simple ring to it. If we called it this, the non-educated might not come away with the wrong idea. Management(tm) may not understand "ABI" and the exact use of "binary". To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
> Okay, I will bite. > > What would you call the linux emulator to convey the proper > meaning to the suits types? You don't. You say "FreeBSD has Linux binary compatibility", or "FreeBSD will run (most) Linux applications out of the box". -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\-- Joseph Merrick \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
Others have pretty much already listed my preferences: "Linux compatibility" "Linux ABI support" "Linux binary compatibility" or any of the other obvious permutations thereof... - Jordan > Okay, I will bite. > > What would you call the linux emulator to convey the proper > meaning to the suits types? > > > > > -- > > Amancio Hasty > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
Okay, I will bite. What would you call the linux emulator to convey the proper meaning to the suits types? -- Amancio Hasty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
Well, okay. They are sort of hiding the fact that they are using FreeBSD and you will have to ask them why is FreeBSD is not more prominently advertised. Not too long ago I read a review on various internet appliances and Whistle listed their OS as BSD/UNIX. On the other hand, Juniper does have a nice web article on why they are using FreeBSD 8) And I have to kill this thread lets continue on -chat Cheers -- Amancio Hasty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Amancio Hasty wrote: > And whats Whistle market capitilization since becoming part of IBM ? 8) Sure, but the last time I heard a Whistle radio comercial, I heard no mention of FreeBSD. Last time I saw a mention of RedHat, it sure as hell included a mention of Linux. - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Tom Bartol wrote: > > I absolutely agree with Jordan on this point. I'm having an increasingly > hard time keeping our lab running FreeBSD over Linux due to pressure from > higher-ups who aren't in the technical trenches with me and who don't > understand the very good technical reasons I have for running FreeBSD > here. One constant sticking point is the linux compatibility module. The > higher-ups see the word "emulator" and all manner of warning messages go > off in their uninformed heads. > > In a previous e-mail on this or a related thread I saw the term: > > "Linux image activator" > > or something close to this pass by. I think this term gave me a much > closer feeling to what I imagine is really going on the the "linuxulator" > than the term "emulator" and all its baggage. So we could name it the > "Linux image activator" or "Lin-Axe" or some such... I'd just like to have it described as running a program in "linux mode" In Linux mode, FreeBSD appears exactly a s alinux muchine would to a Linux program and the program can run un-modified. (Now that Red Hat has a market capitialisation of 5Billion$ there will be a lot more linux stuff available) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
Tom Bartol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a previous e-mail on this or a related thread I saw the term: > > "Linux image activator" > > or something close to this pass by. I think this term gave me a much > closer feeling to what I imagine is really going on the the "linuxulator" > than the term "emulator" and all its baggage. So we could name it the > "Linux image activator" or "Lin-Axe" or some such... How about "Linux Compatibility ABI"? It's accurate, it gives the right impression, and it has an impressive ring to it. Cheers, -Peter-[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
And whats Whistle market capitilization since becoming part of IBM ? 8) > > > On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Tom Bartol wrote: > > > > > I absolutely agree with Jordan on this point. I'm having an increasingly > > hard time keeping our lab running FreeBSD over Linux due to pressure from > > higher-ups who aren't in the technical trenches with me and who don't > > understand the very good technical reasons I have for running FreeBSD > > here. One constant sticking point is the linux compatibility module. The > > higher-ups see the word "emulator" and all manner of warning messages go > > off in their uninformed heads. > > > > In a previous e-mail on this or a related thread I saw the term: > > > > "Linux image activator" > > > > or something close to this pass by. I think this term gave me a much > > closer feeling to what I imagine is really going on the the "linuxulator" > > than the term "emulator" and all its baggage. So we could name it the > > "Linux image activator" or "Lin-Axe" or some such... > > I'd just like to have it described as running a program in "linux mode" > > In Linux mode, FreeBSD appears exactly a s alinux muchine would to a Linux > program and the program can run un-modified. > > (Now that Red Hat has a market capitialisation of 5Billion$ there will be > a lot more linux stuff available) > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- Amancio Hasty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
I absolutely agree with Jordan on this point. I'm having an increasingly hard time keeping our lab running FreeBSD over Linux due to pressure from higher-ups who aren't in the technical trenches with me and who don't understand the very good technical reasons I have for running FreeBSD here. One constant sticking point is the linux compatibility module. The higher-ups see the word "emulator" and all manner of warning messages go off in their uninformed heads. In a previous e-mail on this or a related thread I saw the term: "Linux image activator" or something close to this pass by. I think this term gave me a much closer feeling to what I imagine is really going on the the "linuxulator" than the term "emulator" and all its baggage. So we could name it the "Linux image activator" or "Lin-Axe" or some such... Tom On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > All of this would be true if your personal definition of "emulator" > were the prevailing one, but that is unfortunately just not the > case. :) > > When the average computing public thinks of an "emulator", they think > of something like MAME or the SNES emulator. Even the more > compute-minded folks tend to think of BOCHS or SIMOS when they hear > the word "emulator" and I need only point to the majority of entries > in /usr/ports/emulators in support of this. :-) In any case, my point > is simply that we need to be careful in our use of terminology if we > don't want to lend the majority the impression that our linux > "emulation" code goes through the same sorts of gyrations that MAME > does to run linux binaries. I do get questions at trade shows all the > time about this, and I can state without reservation that none of the > people asking about it share Marcel's definition of the term. :) > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
All of this would be true if your personal definition of "emulator" were the prevailing one, but that is unfortunately just not the case. :) When the average computing public thinks of an "emulator", they think of something like MAME or the SNES emulator. Even the more compute-minded folks tend to think of BOCHS or SIMOS when they hear the word "emulator" and I need only point to the majority of entries in /usr/ports/emulators in support of this. :-) In any case, my point is simply that we need to be careful in our use of terminology if we don't want to lend the majority the impression that our linux "emulation" code goes through the same sorts of gyrations that MAME does to run linux binaries. I do get questions at trade shows all the time about this, and I can state without reservation that none of the people asking about it share Marcel's definition of the term. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
I think that emulation usually denotes simulation so I would find another term or invent one to describe the linux emulation layer. -- Amancio Hasty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...]
Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Smith writes: > : We're staying away from the term "emulation" because it's being > : associated with things like the abominable 'lxrun' and virtual-machine > : emulators like VMware. > > Also, there is a perception that "emulation" is slower than native, > which isn't the case for the Linux ABI in FreeBSD. The Linuxulator adds overhead, which does make it slower than native. Take for example the overlaying of /compat/linux. File/dir access-bound applications (such as find) pay the penalty. Other areas of overhead are translations of bitmaps and/or structures. In general, the overhead is minimal, but nonetheless there's overhead and there're cases in which you can definitely see a performance drop as compared to native execution. I qualify the Linuxulator as an emulator. Although we are lucky to not have to emulate an architecture (see /usr/ports/emulators for examples) or a subset of an instruction set (option MATH_EMULATE for example), we do have to emulate an OS interface. The Linuxulator isn't a compatability thingy, because we're not that good an emulator. You cannot replace the one with the other and not see any side-effects. The emotional argument that as to why we stay away from the term "emulation" does not mean that the Linuxulator isn't an emulator, we're just calling it differently... anyway, my Euro 0.02 :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ Amsterdam, The Netherlands tel: +31 20 4200655 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
