Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-18 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Matthew Dillon wrote: :Well, it's also a module, so perhaps we should create the whole subtree :for modules (as was already discussed several times..) : :Andrzej Bialecki Yes, this is very true. But I think we are fooling ourselves if we believe linux emulation will not become

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-17 Thread Mark Murray
I kinda like the idea of a top-level compat category; it will keep the top level uncluttered when sysv and iBCS compatibility start requiring their own knobs, and if you put linux at the top level this will later be used as justification for putting all the other "compat" stuff up there too.

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Brian F. Feldman writes: On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : I suppose, but wouldn't the proper place be under machdep? I agree that : a linux top-level MIB would be easiest to remember. Linux isn't machdep. It

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: :2) under "kern.emu.linux" :3) under "linux" : :I vote for 3. : :-- :Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member :[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." :FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Matthew Dillon
: :On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: : : :2) under "kern.emu.linux" : :3) under "linux" : : : :I vote for 3. : : : :-- : :Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member : :[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." : :FreeBSD -- It will take a

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: : :On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: : : :2) under "kern.emu.linux" : :3) under "linux" : : : :I vote for 3. : : : :-- : :Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member : :[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Real hackers run

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Matthew Dillon
: :Yeah... Then, the next in line after "linux" are: ibcs2 and svr4 and :whatever comes next. Can you live with them as main sysctl categories? : :Andrzej Bialecki I think Solaris has a chance, but I doubt any other traditional vendor UNIXes do. So it comes down to Solaris and Linux for

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Mike Smith
Yes, this is very true. But I think we are fooling ourselves if we believe linux emulation will not become 'standard' in the near future. Then we'll kick ourselves for giving the sysctl's convoluted names :-) Yeah... Then, the next in line after "linux" are: ibcs2 and svr4

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Steve Kargl
Mike Smith wrote: Yes, this is very true. But I think we are fooling ourselves if we believe linux emulation will not become 'standard' in the near future. Then we'll kick ourselves for giving the sysctl's convoluted names :-) Yeah... Then, the next in line after

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Mike Smith
Given that "ABI" is a bit obscure, kern.compat is the only sensible choice. I think that is too obscure considering the exposure this will get. What "exposure"? It's a backend to a tuning interface for our ABI compatibility... It doesn't really matter much what we feel about it, linux

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Mike Smith wrote: Yes, this is very true. But I think we are fooling ourselves if we believe linux emulation will not become 'standard' in the near future. Then we'll kick ourselves for giving the sysctl's convoluted names :-) Yeah... Then, the

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Mike Smith
Given that "ABI" is a bit obscure, kern.compat is the only sensible choice. One one hand you're right (it is a compatibility stub) but OTOH it is also a kernel module... ;-) Perhaps modules like this will want to have their stuff in BOTH places, i.e. in kernel.compat and in

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: I kinda like the idea of a top-level compat category; it will keep the top level uncluttered when sysv and iBCS compatibility start requiring their own knobs, and if you put linux at the top level this will later be used as justification for

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Doug
In case anyone cares I'd like to put in a vote for compat.linux. From the design standpoint this balances the needs of prominence and clean top level name space nicely. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Mike Smith
In case anyone cares I'd like to put in a vote for compat.linux. From the design standpoint this balances the needs of prominence and clean top level name space nicely. And in case it's not clear from the exposition in my message to Poul, I would find this most agreeable too. -- \\

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-16 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
* Doug ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [990817 03:40]: In case anyone cares I'd like to put in a vote for compat.linux. From the design standpoint this balances the needs of prominence and clean top level name space nicely. Count me as another in favor of Mike's explanation. Like Mike said, there

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcel Moolenaar writes: Hi, There're a couple of variables in the Linuxulator that can be put under sysctl. These include the kernel version and the OSS version, among probably others. The question is simply were in the MIB to put them? 1) under "kern.linux" 2)

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Brian F. Feldman" writes: On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: The question is simply were in the MIB to put them? ... 3) under "linux" I vote for 3. I suppose, but wouldn't the proper place be under machdep? I agree that a linux top-level MIB would

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-15 Thread Mike Smith
Hi, There're a couple of variables in the Linuxulator that can be put under sysctl. These include the kernel version and the OSS version, among probably others. The question is simply were in the MIB to put them? 1) under "kern.linux" 2) under "kern.emu.linux" 3) under "linux" 4) non

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-15 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : I suppose, but wouldn't the proper place be under machdep? I agree that : a linux top-level MIB would be easiest to remember. Linux isn't machdep. It is MI since we could have Linux/Alpha or Linux/MIPS emulators... Warner To

Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables

1999-08-15 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : I suppose, but wouldn't the proper place be under machdep? I agree that : a linux top-level MIB would be easiest to remember. Linux isn't machdep. It is MI since we could have Linux/Alpha or