Re: Recommended MP development machines...
On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 01:34:42PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: The K7 had a broken on-board usb (the AMD chipset had a PCI contention bug for the usb port, so the tin back panel of the board blocked out the usb, and the K7 came with a PCI usb card, which ate up one of your PCI slots. Hm. Do you have any details on this? I've had occasional strange USB-related things happen on this box. Of course, it runs -current which puts me into the USB danger-zone enough as it is.. but what happens when this bug is triggered? ... http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/24472.pdf This is good to know. The above doc is for the AMD-768 Peripheral Bus Controller. Luckly the pre-production Thunder K7 mobos had AMD-766's in them. I don't know if Tyan switched to the 768 in later production. http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/23615.pdf In HTML format: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:eipmgE1E_f4C:www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/23615.pdf+amd+766+revision+guidehl=enie=UTF-8 Is the revision guide for the AMD-766 south bridge. There are 2 USB nits, but nothing serious like for the AMD-768 rev B1. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Recommended MP development machines...
Chuck Robey wrote: On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, David O'Brien wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 07:43:22PM -0700, George V. Neville-Neil wrote: I know everyone says they all work but i'd like some recommendations on MP machines for -CURRENT work. I'll be ordering one this week. There is but _1_ dual system to get -- Tyan Thunder K7 (code name Guinness) . http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7.html. It comes in multiple flavors, but mine is the dual-channel Ultra160, dual-3com 10/100, 5-64bit PCI, 1 AGP version. You can cheap out and not get the non-SCSI S2462NG model. Match this bad-boy up with a pair of fast Athlon `MP' (not `XP') CPU's and it is a totally solid system. Various FreeBSD committers also have this system. There is a newer [more economic] version called the Thunder K7X. http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7x.html more economic is a poor way to describe it, seeing as it has all the features, plus (1) an updated version of the AMD mp chipset and (2) a fixed onboard usb port. The K7 had a broken on-board usb (the AMD chipset had a PCI contention bug for the usb port, so the tin back panel of the board blocked out the usb, and the K7 came with a PCI usb card, which ate up one of your PCI slots. The K7X has a repaired on-board usb, so you get that PCI slot back. Hm. Do you have any details on this? I've had occasional strange USB-related things happen on this box. Of course, it runs -current which puts me into the USB danger-zone enough as it is.. but what happens when this bug is triggered? Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Recommended MP development machines...
On 3 Jul, Peter Wemm wrote: Chuck Robey wrote: On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, David O'Brien wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 07:43:22PM -0700, George V. Neville-Neil wrote: I know everyone says they all work but i'd like some recommendations on MP machines for -CURRENT work. I'll be ordering one this week. There is but _1_ dual system to get -- Tyan Thunder K7 (code name Guinness) . http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7.html. It comes in multiple flavors, but mine is the dual-channel Ultra160, dual-3com 10/100, 5-64bit PCI, 1 AGP version. You can cheap out and not get the non-SCSI S2462NG model. Match this bad-boy up with a pair of fast Athlon `MP' (not `XP') CPU's and it is a totally solid system. Various FreeBSD committers also have this system. There is a newer [more economic] version called the Thunder K7X. http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7x.html more economic is a poor way to describe it, seeing as it has all the features, plus (1) an updated version of the AMD mp chipset and (2) a fixed onboard usb port. The K7 had a broken on-board usb (the AMD chipset had a PCI contention bug for the usb port, so the tin back panel of the board blocked out the usb, and the K7 came with a PCI usb card, which ate up one of your PCI slots. The K7X has a repaired on-board usb, so you get that PCI slot back. Hm. Do you have any details on this? I've had occasional strange USB-related things happen on this box. Of course, it runs -current which puts me into the USB danger-zone enough as it is.. but what happens when this bug is triggered? I just finished buying the K7X myself, so I did quite a bit of research before rejecting the Asus board, and the K7. This included reading about a half dozen reviews I located via google and tomshardware. I'm quite certain of my facts (and my head is abuzz with lots more board trivia about them) but it's going to take a little bit for me to run down the source of the PCI comment. I'll do that, wait a bit for it. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars - JMS/B5 -- Chuck Robey | Interests include C Java programming, FreeBSD, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | electronics, communications, and signal processing. New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up fictitious words in the dictionary. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Recommended MP development machines...
Chuck Robey writes: The main difference in the updated chipset is the fact that the 64 bit PCI slots now run at double-speed, giving double the throughput. No change Most motherboards which support 64-bit/66MHz PCI slots can't run them anywhere near the theoretical limit. So its more like a 50% improvement than 100% improvement. For objective comparisions of chipsets see http://www.conservativecomputer.com/myrinet/perf.html Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Recommended MP development machines...
George V. Neville-Neil writes: Hi, I know everyone says they all work but i'd like some recommendations on MP machines for -CURRENT work. I'll be ordering one this week. I'm in the market for a new SMP x86 workstation to replace my aging alpha desktop. What's the state of ACPI (or apm?) support for SMP machines on current? I'd like to be able to suspend the machine to reduce heat output and power consumption. Is it currently possible to do the moral equivalent of what a laptop's APM bios might call suspend to memory on an SMP desktop?. Eg, all fans/disks stop spinning, CPUs halt, power consumption goes down to 5-10W, and the memory contents continue to be refreshed until you wake the machine up? Also, what's a commonly available quiet case? The alpha's got so many fans that I think I'm starting to go deaf and I'd like a much less noisy machine. Thanks, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Recommended MP development machines...
Chuck Robey wrote: On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, David O'Brien wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 07:43:22PM -0700, George V. Neville-Neil wrote: I know everyone says they all work but i'd like some recommendations on MP machines for -CURRENT work. I'll be ordering one this week. There is but _1_ dual system to get -- Tyan Thunder K7 (code name Guinness). http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7.html. It comes in multiple flavors, but mine is the dual-channel Ultra160, dual-3com 10/100, 5-64bit PCI, 1 AGP version. You can cheap out and not get the non-SCSI S2462NG model. Match this bad-boy up with a pair of fast Athlon `MP' (not `XP') CPU's and it is a totally solid system. Various FreeBSD committers also have this system. There is a newer [more economic] version called the Thunder K7X. http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7x.html more economic is a poor way to describe it, seeing as it has all the features, plus (1) an updated version of the AMD mp chipset and (2) a fixed onboard usb port. The K7 had a broken on-board usb (the AMD chipset had a PCI contention bug for the usb port, so the tin back panel of the board blocked out the usb, and the K7 came with a PCI usb card, which ate up one of your PCI slots. The K7X has a repaired on-board usb, so you get that PCI slot back. That was a problem with the 760MPX chipset, the Thunder K7 uses the earlier 760MP which doesn't have that problem. The main difference in the updated chipset is the fact that the 64 bit PCI slots now run at double-speed, giving double the throughput. No change for the 32 bit PCI slots. At least for me, the main usage of the 64 bit slot would be the disk; seeing as both the K7 and the K7X can be had with a very nice dual channel Adaptec Ultra160 controller, which means you don't use the 64 bit PCI slot for disk, that kills that. Added cost for the controller is about $100, not a bad deal. I think the K7 had only AGP; the K7X has AGP-Pro; doesn't mean much yet, but if you're a gaming maven, maybe it'll be important pretty quickly now. Both has AGP-Pro. Chuck Robey | Interests include C Java programming, FreeBSD, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | electronics, communications, and signal processing. New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up fictitious words in the dictionary. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Recommended MP development machines...
On 3 Jul, Peter Wemm wrote: Chuck Robey wrote: On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, David O'Brien wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 07:43:22PM -0700, George V. Neville-Neil wrote: I know everyone says they all work but i'd like some recommendations on MP machines for -CURRENT work. I'll be ordering one this week. There is but _1_ dual system to get -- Tyan Thunder K7 (code name Guinness) . http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7.html. It comes in multiple flavors, but mine is the dual-channel Ultra160, dual-3com 10/100, 5-64bit PCI, 1 AGP version. You can cheap out and not get the non-SCSI S2462NG model. Match this bad-boy up with a pair of fast Athlon `MP' (not `XP') CPU's and it is a totally solid system. Various FreeBSD committers also have this system. There is a newer [more economic] version called the Thunder K7X. http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7x.html more economic is a poor way to describe it, seeing as it has all the features, plus (1) an updated version of the AMD mp chipset and (2) a fixed onboard usb port. The K7 had a broken on-board usb (the AMD chipset had a PCI contention bug for the usb port, so the tin back panel of the board blocked out the usb, and the K7 came with a PCI usb card, which ate up one of your PCI slots. The K7X has a repaired on-board usb, so you get that PCI slot back. Hm. Do you have any details on this? I've had occasional strange USB-related things happen on this box. Of course, it runs -current which puts me into the USB danger-zone enough as it is.. but what happens when this bug is triggered? Sorry it took so long, the web site I originally found it on has apparently disappeared. This link, however, describes the problem neatly: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/24472.pdf Chuck Robey | Interests include C Java programming, FreeBSD, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | electronics, communications, and signal processing. New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up fictitious words in the dictionary. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Recommended MP development machines...
* George V. Neville-Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020703 19:43] wrote: Hi, I know everyone says they all work but i'd like some recommendations on MP machines for -CURRENT work. I'll be ordering one this week. I got a dual AMD 1900 from monarchcomputer.com, it was pretty decently priced at the time and they seem to have decent service. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Recommended MP development machines...
On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 07:43:22PM -0700, George V. Neville-Neil wrote: I know everyone says they all work but i'd like some recommendations on MP machines for -CURRENT work. I'll be ordering one this week. There is but _1_ dual system to get -- Tyan Thunder K7 (code name Guinness). http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7.html. It comes in multiple flavors, but mine is the dual-channel Ultra160, dual-3com 10/100, 5-64bit PCI, 1 AGP version. You can cheap out and not get the non-SCSI S2462NG model. Match this bad-boy up with a pair of fast Athlon `MP' (not `XP') CPU's and it is a totally solid system. Various FreeBSD committers also have this system. There is a newer [more economic] version called the Thunder K7X. http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7x.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Recommended MP development machines...
On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 11:50:00PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: (2) a fixed onboard usb port. The K7 had a broken on-board usb (the AMD chipset had a PCI contention bug for the usb port, so the tin back panel of the board blocked out the usb, and the K7 came with a PCI usb card, which ate up one of your PCI slots. Strange, my UCB works. I don't have a back panel (was an early release mobo), but I have used a USB Zip drive with this mobo. I haven't been able to get my USB printer working; but that seemed more due to our USB support than hardware. I think the K7 had only AGP; the K7X has AGP-Pro; doesn't mean much yet, but if you're a gaming maven, maybe it'll be important pretty quickly now. Mine has AGP-pro. Not saying the K7X isn't better. Just that maybe the Thunder K7 isn't so bad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
