Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 2:02 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: I use ci/co every single day to track changes to individual config files on individual machines. For simple things like ntp.conf, rc.conf, sysctl.conf, a simple 'ci -l xxx' is a trivial way to maintain local revision

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On 7 October 2013 22:08, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: On 2013-10-07, at 2:02 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: I use ci/co every single day to track changes to individual config files on individual machines. For simple things like ntp.conf, rc.conf, sysctl.conf, a

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 2:08 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: And sorry, what I left out was how having ci/co in the base is immensely helpful with the installer scripts I write. The server installation scripts I've cooked up use ci(1) to keep a record of changes made during the

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On 10/7/13 2:14 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On 2013-10-07, at 2:08 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: And sorry, what I left out was how having ci/co in the base is immensely helpful with the installer scripts I write. The server installation scripts I've cooked up use ci(1) to

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On 7 October 2013 22:15, Andreas Nilsson andrn...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it has been announced, and is available as a port. So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD decide to move away from distributing a usable OS? Why not just distribute a kernel and a few

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Igor. You wrote 8 октября 2013 г., 1:26:07: Well, it has been announced, and is available as a port. IM So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD IM decide to move away from distributing a usable OS? Why not just distribute IM a kernel and a few bits that

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Glen Barber
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 10:26:07PM +0100, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: On 7 October 2013 22:15, Andreas Nilsson andrn...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it has been announced, and is available as a port. So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD decide to move away

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On 7 October 2013 22:28, Lev Serebryakov l...@freebsd.org wrote: svnlite? :) Thanks Lev Glen- it's something to explore albeit that screws up quite a lot of stuff on this end... Cheers, -- Igor M. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread David Chisnall
On 7 Oct 2013, at 22:14, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: Install from ports is a non-starter. Our development systems will never be connected to the internet for a ports upgrade. In this environment, in-base RCS is a very useful tool. Why is install from packages any harder than

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Adrian Chadd
.. don't be surprised how many people do exactly this; then compile what handful of things they need from source in order to make a server. -adrian On 7 October 2013 14:53, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote: On 7 Oct 2013, at 22:14, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Freddie Cash
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Igor Mozolevsky i...@hybrid-lab.co.ukwrote: On 7 October 2013 22:28, Lev Serebryakov l...@freebsd.org wrote: svnlite? :) Thanks Lev Glen- it's something to explore albeit that screws up quite a lot of stuff on this end... Why does that screw up

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 2:53 PM, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote: Or do you really only run the base OS and no other software on your systems, without any of your own code or any customisation? We install from the base release ISO images burned on DVDs. We are physically air-gapped from

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Diane Bruce
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 03:45:23PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On 2013-10-07, at 2:53 PM, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote: Or do you really only run the base OS and no other software on your systems, without any of your own code or any customisation? We install from the

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 3:45 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: Having RCS in the base system is very useful. We use it to track changes to bits of /etc on the machines where we don't do wholesale customizations. (Those ones get git, but they also get an install of /usr/ports with a

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Adrian Chadd
Hi! Then you and others should stand up and provide feedback like this far, far earlier in the development process. If everyone who communicates says x and no-one says anything about the other letters a-w, y, z, then we as developers don't really have a good cross-section of what people actually

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 4:37 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: Then you and others should stand up and provide feedback like this far, far earlier in the development process. So when was this first discussed? I've been on -current for over a decade. If I missed a prior discussion I

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Julian Elischer
On 10/8/13 7:37 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: Hi! Then you and others should stand up and provide feedback like this far, far earlier in the development process. Adiran this is the first I've heard of removing RCS. I would have screamed about it had I heard anything.. so now that I officially

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Adrian Chadd
I've asked on IRC to figure out when this was first proposed. I'll see if it was announced anywhere or if Eitan snuck it in. -a On 7 October 2013 16:46, Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote: On 10/8/13 7:37 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: Hi! Then you and others should stand up and provide

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 4:49 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: I've asked on IRC to figure out when this was first proposed. Adrian, something to keep in mind is that the majority of your code's users will never use your preferred communication media. So when you propose to remove a

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 7 October 2013 16:58, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: On 2013-10-07, at 4:49 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: I've asked on IRC to figure out when this was first proposed. Adrian, something to keep in mind is that the majority of your code's users will never use

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Julian Elischer
On 10/8/13 6:45 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On 2013-10-07, at 2:53 PM, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote: Or do you really only run the base OS and no other software on your systems, without any of your own code or any customisation? We install from the base release ISO images burned

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On 8 October 2013 01:00, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: [snip] Oh, I know it's an up-hill battle. But I honestly thought that this had been communicated on a list somewhere. It seems.. not. I don't know why. Gah. It's been communicated at Sun, 6 Oct 2013 22:43:21 -0400, but that

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Glen Barber wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 17:29 -0400: On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 10:26:07PM +0100, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: On 7 October 2013 22:15, Andreas Nilsson andrn...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it has been announced, and is available as a port. So there's no version

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Julian Elischer
On 10/8/13 5:29 AM, Glen Barber wrote: On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 10:26:07PM +0100, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: On 7 October 2013 22:15, Andreas Nilsson andrn...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it has been announced, and is available as a port. So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Glen Barber
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:36:42PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD decide to move away from distributing a usable OS? Why not just distribute a kernel and a few bits that are barely sufficient for the initial set up,

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 5:40 PM, Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote: svnlite? fail I won't go that far, immediately. But I need a tool that lets me migrate the history of my RCS files to the new regime. And the new tools(s) *must* be part of the base system. (Migration tools included.)

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Glen Barber wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 20:42 -0400: On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:36:42PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD decide to move away from distributing a usable OS? Why not just distribute

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Ian Lepore
On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 16:49 -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote: I've asked on IRC to figure out when this was first proposed. I'll see if it was announced anywhere or if Eitan snuck it in. -a It was mentioned briefly on stable@

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Dmitry Morozovsky
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Julian Elischer wrote: Or do you really only run the base OS and no other software on your systems, without any of your own code or any customisation? We install from the base release ISO images burned on DVDs. We are physically air-gapped from the internet, none

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Glen Barber
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:54:23PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: No, not really. # mkdir local # svnadmin create ./local # svn import /etc file:///$PWD/local besides the s/svn/svnlite/ you forgot... It doesn't work... Sure it WITH_SVN in src.conf will install svnlite

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On 8 October 2013 01:58, Ian Lepore i...@freebsd.org wrote: On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 16:49 -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote: I've asked on IRC to figure out when this was first proposed. I'll see if it was announced anywhere or if Eitan snuck it in. -a It was mentioned briefly on stable@

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On 8 October 2013 01:59, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:54:23PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: [snip] Plus, I was quite reasured that svn isn't smart enough to realize that a path might be a file: url relative to the current working directory... I don't

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 5:58 PM, Ian Lepore i...@freebsd.org wrote: I have not re-read those threads to see just how much of the discussion involved rcs, I just spot-checked a few and confirmed my memory that it showed up in some of the messages there. I don't see any discussion as to why the code

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Glen Barber
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 02:03:44AM +0100, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: On 8 October 2013 01:59, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:54:23PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: [snip] Plus, I was quite reasured that svn isn't smart enough to realize that a path

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Xin Li
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/07/13 17:42, Glen Barber wrote: On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:36:42PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD decide to move away from distributing a usable OS? Why not just

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Julian Elischer
On 10/8/13 9:05 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On 2013-10-07, at 5:58 PM, Ian Lepore i...@freebsd.org wrote: I have not re-read those threads to see just how much of the discussion involved rcs, I just spot-checked a few and confirmed my memory that it showed up in some of the messages there. I

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote: On 10/8/13 9:05 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On 2013-10-07, at 5:58 PM, Ian Lepore i...@freebsd.org wrote: I have not re-read those threads to see just how much of the discussion involved rcs, I just spot-checked a

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.comwrote: I would like to see RCS remain in base as well. Many enterprise distro still ship it by default too. There is no compelling reason to remove it. I sort of retract that statement. I thought the base RCS was already

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Xin Li
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/07/13 18:37, Adam Vande More wrote: On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.comwrote: I would like to see RCS remain in base as well. Many enterprise distro still ship it by default too. There is no

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 6:05 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: I don't see any discussion as to why the code (CVS, in this case) *needs* to be removed. My stupidity: I meant RCS, not CVS. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Glen Barber wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 20:59 -0400: On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:54:23PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: No, not really. # mkdir local # svnadmin create ./local # svn import /etc file:///$PWD/local besides the s/svn/svnlite/ you

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Diane Bruce d...@db.net wrote: On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 03:45:23PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On 2013-10-07, at 2:53 PM, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote: Or do you really only run the base OS and no other software on your systems, without