Re: removing enigma(1)

1999-12-01 Thread David Wolfskill

From: Steve Kargl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:20:19 -0800 (PST)

With the FreeBSD 4.0 code freeze fast approaching, are there any
compelling reasons to keep enigma (src/usr.bin/enigma) in the 
source tree?  Yes, I know it is a *small* utility, but
1. it provides rather weak encryption,
2. the crypto-distribution is available with stronger encryption, and
3. src/ports/security contains stronger encryption schemes.

Maybe relocate it to games

:-)/2,
david
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Re: removing enigma(1)

1999-12-01 Thread Bakul Shah

 With the FreeBSD 4.0 code freeze fast approaching, are there any
 compelling reasons to keep enigma (src/usr.bin/enigma) in the 
 source tree?

How dare you be so anti-bloat, living so close to Redmond?:-)
[But otherwise a nice place, Seattle.  I used to live there]

Enigma is just a format converter at this point and should be
left around (after renaming it crypt -- which is how it is
known on all Unix versions older than 10 years).  Some of us
old fogeys still have old encrypted files exhumed, from moldy
old files for which crypt is useful (and not just for
reburying).  crypt should be left around *somewhere*.  If you
have to throw something out, throw our perl [ducking for
cover...:-]


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Re: removing enigma(1)

1999-12-01 Thread Matthew D. Fuller

On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 04:09:11PM -0500, a little birdie told me
that Bakul Shah remarked
 
 Enigma is just a format converter at this point and should be
 left around (after renaming it crypt -- which is how it is
 known on all Unix versions older than 10 years).  Some of us

Renaming?
[15:25:53] mortis:~
(ttyp9):{838}% ll -i `which crypt` `which enigma`
23155 -r-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  4980 Oct 29 13:47 /usr/bin/crypt*
23155 -r-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  4980 Oct 29 13:47 /usr/bin/enigma*




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Re: removing enigma(1)

1999-12-01 Thread Mark Newton

On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 03:26:34PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
 
  On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 04:09:11PM -0500, a little birdie told me
  that Bakul Shah remarked
   Enigma is just a format converter at this point and should be
   left around (after renaming it crypt -- which is how it is
   known on all Unix versions older than 10 years).  Some of us
  
  Renaming?
  [15:25:53] mortis:~
  (ttyp9):{838}% ll -i `which crypt` `which enigma`
  23155 -r-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  4980 Oct 29 13:47 /usr/bin/crypt*
  23155 -r-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  4980 Oct 29 13:47 /usr/bin/enigma*

Ok, so the verdict is that enigma isn't contributing to bloat in
any measurable way whatsoever, because it's merely a hard link to
"crypt", a utility which has long been a useful part of UNIX and 
which is required so that people can decrypt their old files (without
needing to spend an hour or so on a brute-force keysearch :-)

- mark

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Re: removing enigma(1)

1999-12-01 Thread James Howard

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 04:09:11PM -0500, a little birdie told me
 that Bakul Shah remarked
  
  Enigma is just a format converter at this point and should be
  left around (after renaming it crypt -- which is how it is
  known on all Unix versions older than 10 years).  Some of us
 
 Renaming?
 [15:25:53] mortis:~
 (ttyp9):{838}% ll -i `which crypt` `which enigma`
 23155 -r-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  4980 Oct 29 13:47 /usr/bin/crypt*
 23155 -r-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  4980 Oct 29 13:47 /usr/bin/enigma*

Why is that a hard link instead of a symbolic link?

Jamie



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Re: removing enigma(1)

1999-12-01 Thread Matthew D. Fuller

On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 04:36:12PM -0500, a little birdie told me
that James Howard remarked
 On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
 
  [15:25:53] mortis:~
  (ttyp9):{838}% ll -i `which crypt` `which enigma`
  23155 -r-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  4980 Oct 29 13:47 /usr/bin/crypt*
  23155 -r-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  4980 Oct 29 13:47 /usr/bin/enigma*
 
 Why is that a hard link instead of a symbolic link?

Probably the same reason most (all?) things in the base system that run
linked are hard links:
(ll -i | sort is instructive)

/sbin:
14445 -r-xr-xr-x   2 root  wheel 150840 Oct 29 13:46 mount_mfs*
14445 -r-xr-xr-x   2 root  wheel 150840 Oct 29 13:46 newfs*
(That's pretty cool, if mildly weird)
14442 -r-xr-xr-x   5 root  wheel  59756 Oct 29 13:46 mount_devfs*
14442 -r-xr-xr-x   5 root  wheel  59756 Oct 29 13:46 mount_fdesc*
14442 -r-xr-xr-x   5 root  wheel  59756 Oct 29 13:46 mount_kernfs*
14442 -r-xr-xr-x   5 root  wheel  59756 Oct 29 13:46 mount_procfs*
14442 -r-xr-xr-x   5 root  wheel  59756 Oct 29 13:46 mount_std*

/bin:
124 -r-xr-xr-x   2 root  wheel  48592 Oct 29 13:43 [*
124 -r-xr-xr-x   2 root  wheel  48592 Oct 29 13:43 test*

Sendmail the same way (I can't show it since I have Postfix installed,
but...)  (Ah, here's another system:)
430769 -r-sr-xr-x  5 root  7  290816 Nov 18  1998 /usr/bin/mailq*
430769 -r-sr-xr-x  5 root  7  290816 Nov 18  1998 /usr/bin/newaliases*
430769 -r-sr-xr-x  5 root  7  290816 Nov 18  1998 /usr/sbin/sendmail*


etc.




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Re: removing enigma(1)

1999-12-01 Thread James Howard



On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 04:36:12PM -0500, a little birdie told me
 that James Howard remarked
  On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
  
   [15:25:53] mortis:~
   (ttyp9):{838}% ll -i `which crypt` `which enigma`
   23155 -r-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  4980 Oct 29 13:47 /usr/bin/crypt*
   23155 -r-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  4980 Oct 29 13:47 /usr/bin/enigma*
  
  Why is that a hard link instead of a symbolic link?
 
 Probably the same reason most (all?) things in the base system that run
 linked are hard links:
 (ll -i | sort is instructive)
 
 /sbin:
 14445 -r-xr-xr-x   2 root  wheel 150840 Oct 29 13:46 mount_mfs*
 14445 -r-xr-xr-x   2 root  wheel 150840 Oct 29 13:46 newfs*
 (That's pretty cool, if mildly weird)
 14442 -r-xr-xr-x   5 root  wheel  59756 Oct 29 13:46 mount_devfs*
 14442 -r-xr-xr-x   5 root  wheel  59756 Oct 29 13:46 mount_fdesc*
 14442 -r-xr-xr-x   5 root  wheel  59756 Oct 29 13:46 mount_kernfs*
 14442 -r-xr-xr-x   5 root  wheel  59756 Oct 29 13:46 mount_procfs*
 14442 -r-xr-xr-x   5 root  wheel  59756 Oct 29 13:46 mount_std*
 
 /bin:
 124 -r-xr-xr-x   2 root  wheel  48592 Oct 29 13:43 [*
 124 -r-xr-xr-x   2 root  wheel  48592 Oct 29 13:43 test*
 
 Sendmail the same way (I can't show it since I have Postfix installed,
 but...)  (Ah, here's another system:)
 430769 -r-sr-xr-x  5 root  7  290816 Nov 18  1998 /usr/bin/mailq*
 430769 -r-sr-xr-x  5 root  7  290816 Nov 18  1998 /usr/bin/newaliases*
 430769 -r-sr-xr-x  5 root  7  290816 Nov 18  1998 /usr/sbin/sendmail*

Let me rephrase the question.  Why (in general) are hard links used
instead of symbolic links?  Symlinks are used on the man pages, why not on
the binaries?



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