Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-13 Thread Eric van Gyzen
On 03/07/2014 11:29, Warner Losh wrote:
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Ian Lepore i...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 10:19 -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:

 On 7 March 2014 11:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:
 On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.
 Is this something we want to support?
 Yes.

 NetBSD made some invasive changes on their source tree to be able to 
 support case-insensitive filesystems (like renaming 'cvs' to 'xcvs' to 
 avoid clashing with the 'CVS' metadata directory), but they support 
 building NetBSD on many different platforms.
 Has anyone enumerated the problematic files for FreeBSD ?
 Last time I looked there were only a handful. I’ll conduct a census and get 
 a concrete enumeration of the problem…
 Last time I noticed (early last year) there were 3 files ending in a dot
 and no case conflicts.  Mercurial now finds just the one file ending in
 a dot and no case conflicts (doing hg init;hg add -q at /usr/src).
 Confirmed via regex, almost… Now there’s only one ending in dot:

 ./tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.

I confirmed, using Git, that this is the only problematic file when
checking out head on Windows.

On stable/9, lib/libc/gen/aux.c is the only problem.  If someone is
interested, r239193 could be MFC'd.

On stable/8, some files under share/doc/psd/15.yacc are the only
problem.  r210167 could be MFC'd.

Eric
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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-08 Thread Alfred Perlstein

On 3/7/14 8:41 AM, Rui Paulo wrote:

On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:

it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.

Is this something we want to support?  NetBSD made some invasive changes on 
their source tree to be able to support case-insensitive filesystems (like 
renaming 'cvs' to 'xcvs' to avoid clashing with the 'CVS' metadata directory), 
but they support building NetBSD on many different platforms.  We don't support 
that yet, though.

The file in question can be easily renamed, I think.


We definitely want to support untaring/zipping the code on Windows. Even 
if not for cross compiling, just for convenience of use.


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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Warner Losh

On Mar 7, 2014, at 12:30 AM, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:

 When I am using mercurial to initialize a freebsd repository, it prints
 warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 
 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'
 
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.

There are other problems as well. We have some directories that have mixed case 
and
lower case versions of the same file. This trips up OS unless you specifically 
format your
disk to be case sensitive…

Warner

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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Rui Paulo
On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.

Is this something we want to support?  NetBSD made some invasive changes on 
their source tree to be able to support case-insensitive filesystems (like 
renaming 'cvs' to 'xcvs' to avoid clashing with the 'CVS' metadata directory), 
but they support building NetBSD on many different platforms.  We don't support 
that yet, though.

The file in question can be easily renamed, I think.

--
Rui Paulo



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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Eitan Adler
On 7 March 2014 11:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:
 On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.

 Is this something we want to support?

Yes.

   NetBSD made some invasive changes on their source tree to be able to 
 support case-insensitive filesystems (like renaming 'cvs' to 'xcvs' to avoid 
 clashing with the 'CVS' metadata directory), but they support building NetBSD 
 on many different platforms.

Has anyone enumerated the problematic files for FreeBSD ?

  We don't support that yet, though.

However, being able to checkout out the source code is a prerequisite
to building out other platforms.

 The file in question can be easily renamed, I think.

-- 
Eitan Adler
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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Warner Losh

On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:

 On 7 March 2014 11:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:
 On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.
 
 Is this something we want to support?
 
 Yes.
 
  NetBSD made some invasive changes on their source tree to be able to 
 support case-insensitive filesystems (like renaming 'cvs' to 'xcvs' to avoid 
 clashing with the 'CVS' metadata directory), but they support building 
 NetBSD on many different platforms.
 
 Has anyone enumerated the problematic files for FreeBSD ?

Last time I looked there were only a handful. I’ll conduct a census and get a 
concrete enumeration of the problem…

Warner

 We don't support that yet, though.
 
 However, being able to checkout out the source code is a prerequisite
 to building out other platforms.
 
 The file in question can be easily renamed, I think.
 
 -- 
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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Ian Lepore
On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 10:19 -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
 
  On 7 March 2014 11:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:
  On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
  it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
  wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.
  
  Is this something we want to support?
  
  Yes.
  
   NetBSD made some invasive changes on their source tree to be able to 
  support case-insensitive filesystems (like renaming 'cvs' to 'xcvs' to 
  avoid clashing with the 'CVS' metadata directory), but they support 
  building NetBSD on many different platforms.
  
  Has anyone enumerated the problematic files for FreeBSD ?
 
 Last time I looked there were only a handful. I’ll conduct a census and get a 
 concrete enumeration of the problem…

Last time I noticed (early last year) there were 3 files ending in a dot
and no case conflicts.  Mercurial now finds just the one file ending in
a dot and no case conflicts (doing hg init;hg add -q at /usr/src).

-- Ian


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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Warner Losh

On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Ian Lepore i...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 10:19 -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
 
 On 7 March 2014 11:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:
 On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.
 
 Is this something we want to support?
 
 Yes.
 
 NetBSD made some invasive changes on their source tree to be able to 
 support case-insensitive filesystems (like renaming 'cvs' to 'xcvs' to 
 avoid clashing with the 'CVS' metadata directory), but they support 
 building NetBSD on many different platforms.
 
 Has anyone enumerated the problematic files for FreeBSD ?
 
 Last time I looked there were only a handful. I’ll conduct a census and get 
 a concrete enumeration of the problem…
 
 Last time I noticed (early last year) there were 3 files ending in a dot
 and no case conflicts.  Mercurial now finds just the one file ending in
 a dot and no case conflicts (doing hg init;hg add -q at /usr/src).

Confirmed via regex, almost… Now there’s only one ending in dot:

./tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.

Warner

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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread David Chisnall
On 7 Mar 2014, at 16:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.
 
 Is this something we want to support?

Yes, definitely.  Building FreeBSD on other platforms is one of the requests we 
get very often from embedded systems vendors.  Cheap virtualisation has made it 
less urgent (they can just stick a FreeBSD VirtualBox VM on their 
workstations), but it's definitely something we'd like eventually.  To my 
knowledge, no one is working on it, but we should aim to make life easy for 
whoever does...

David

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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Rui Paulo
On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:38, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On 7 Mar 2014, at 16:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:
 
 On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.
 
 Is this something we want to support?
 
 Yes, definitely.  Building FreeBSD on other platforms is one of the requests 
 we get very often from embedded systems vendors.  Cheap virtualisation has 
 made it less urgent (they can just stick a FreeBSD VirtualBox VM on their 
 workstations), but it's definitely something we'd like eventually.  To my 
 knowledge, no one is working on it, but we should aim to make life easy for 
 whoever does...

I guess I should clarify: I wasn’t talking about cross building in general, but 
specifically on Windows.  It’s far easier to setup a case-sensitive file system 
on OS X and cross build FreeBSD from there than it is on Windows.  I’m not even 
sure NetBSD builds on Windows with Cygwin anymore.

Warner was working on building FreeBSD from OS X, IIRC.

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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Warner Losh

On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Rui Paulo rpa...@felyko.com wrote:

 On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:38, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote:
 
 On 7 Mar 2014, at 16:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:
 
 On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.
 
 Is this something we want to support?
 
 Yes, definitely.  Building FreeBSD on other platforms is one of the requests 
 we get very often from embedded systems vendors.  Cheap virtualisation has 
 made it less urgent (they can just stick a FreeBSD VirtualBox VM on their 
 workstations), but it's definitely something we'd like eventually.  To my 
 knowledge, no one is working on it, but we should aim to make life easy for 
 whoever does...
 
 I guess I should clarify: I wasn’t talking about cross building in general, 
 but specifically on Windows.  It’s far easier to setup a case-sensitive file 
 system on OS X and cross build FreeBSD from there than it is on Windows.  I’m 
 not even sure NetBSD builds on Windows with Cygwin anymore.
 
 Warner was working on building FreeBSD from OS X, IIRC.

When I worked at Cisco in 2008, yes. That work went approximately no-where when 
I hit a huge snag in building gdb using static configurations for FreeBSD, but 
on a OS X host and the differences between them mattering.

Warner

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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Eitan Adler
On 7 March 2014 13:50, Rui Paulo rpa...@felyko.com wrote:
 On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:38, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On 7 Mar 2014, at 16:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.

 Is this something we want to support?

 Yes, definitely.  Building FreeBSD on other platforms is one of the requests 
 we get very often from embedded systems vendors.  Cheap virtualisation has 
 made it less urgent (they can just stick a FreeBSD VirtualBox VM on their 
 workstations), but it's definitely something we'd like eventually.  To my 
 knowledge, no one is working on it, but we should aim to make life easy for 
 whoever does...

 I guess I should clarify: I wasn’t talking about cross building in general, 
 but specifically on Windows.  It’s far easier to setup a case-sensitive file 
 system on OS X and cross build FreeBSD from there than it is on Windows.

Over 50% of the people that come to FreeBSD.org run windows.  If it is
possible to support building on windows, we should try.
-- 
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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Allan Jude
On 2014-03-07 18:12, Eitan Adler wrote:
 On 7 March 2014 13:50, Rui Paulo rpa...@felyko.com wrote:
 On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:38, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On 7 Mar 2014, at 16:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.

 Is this something we want to support?

 Yes, definitely.  Building FreeBSD on other platforms is one of the 
 requests we get very often from embedded systems vendors.  Cheap 
 virtualisation has made it less urgent (they can just stick a FreeBSD 
 VirtualBox VM on their workstations), but it's definitely something we'd 
 like eventually.  To my knowledge, no one is working on it, but we should 
 aim to make life easy for whoever does...

 I guess I should clarify: I wasn’t talking about cross building in general, 
 but specifically on Windows.  It’s far easier to setup a case-sensitive file 
 system on OS X and cross build FreeBSD from there than it is on Windows.
 
 Over 50% of the people that come to FreeBSD.org run windows.  If it is
 possible to support building on windows, we should try.
 

Even well shy of 'building' on windows, I do most of my docs work on
windows. I even wrote most of the new code for bsdinstall on a windows
machine. Being able to checkout the svn tree and work on it on my
existing work station is nice.

-- 
Allan Jude



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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Warner Losh

On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:

 On 7 March 2014 13:50, Rui Paulo rpa...@felyko.com wrote:
 On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:38, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote:
 
 On 7 Mar 2014, at 16:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:
 
 On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.
 
 Is this something we want to support?
 
 Yes, definitely.  Building FreeBSD on other platforms is one of the 
 requests we get very often from embedded systems vendors.  Cheap 
 virtualisation has made it less urgent (they can just stick a FreeBSD 
 VirtualBox VM on their workstations), but it's definitely something we'd 
 like eventually.  To my knowledge, no one is working on it, but we should 
 aim to make life easy for whoever does...
 
 I guess I should clarify: I wasn’t talking about cross building in general, 
 but specifically on Windows.  It’s far easier to setup a case-sensitive file 
 system on OS X and cross build FreeBSD from there than it is on Windows.
 
 Over 50% of the people that come to FreeBSD.org run windows.  If it is
 possible to support building on windows, we should try.

The big issue isn’t case sensitivity or file names ending in dot. The real 
issue is that our build just isn’t setup for this at the moment and it would be 
a big lift to make it work at all. Sure, go ahead and fix this minor flea-bite 
of an issue, but there are several large elephant-sized issues before we could 
have even a tiny chance of doing this...

Warner


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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 7 March 2014 15:25, Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com wrote:

 On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:

 On 7 March 2014 13:50, Rui Paulo rpa...@felyko.com wrote:
 On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:38, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On 7 Mar 2014, at 16:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.

 Is this something we want to support?

 Yes, definitely.  Building FreeBSD on other platforms is one of the 
 requests we get very often from embedded systems vendors.  Cheap 
 virtualisation has made it less urgent (they can just stick a FreeBSD 
 VirtualBox VM on their workstations), but it's definitely something we'd 
 like eventually.  To my knowledge, no one is working on it, but we should 
 aim to make life easy for whoever does...

 I guess I should clarify: I wasn't talking about cross building in general, 
 but specifically on Windows.  It's far easier to setup a case-sensitive 
 file system on OS X and cross build FreeBSD from there than it is on 
 Windows.

 Over 50% of the people that come to FreeBSD.org run windows.  If it is
 possible to support building on windows, we should try.

 The big issue isn't case sensitivity or file names ending in dot. The real 
 issue is that our build just isn't setup for this at the moment and it would 
 be a big lift to make it work at all. Sure, go ahead and fix this minor 
 flea-bite of an issue, but there are several large elephant-sized issues 
 before we could have even a tiny chance of doing this...


are those issues documented anywhere? :)


-a
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Re: warning: filename ends with '.', which is not allowed on Windows: 'tools/test/sort/bigtest/q-1.024.003.'

2014-03-07 Thread Warner Losh

On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:30 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On 7 March 2014 15:25, Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com wrote:
 
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
 
 On 7 March 2014 13:50, Rui Paulo rpa...@felyko.com wrote:
 On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:38, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote:
 
 On 7 Mar 2014, at 16:41, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote:
 
 On 6 Mar 2014, at 23:30, David Xu davi...@freebsd.org wrote:
 it seems filename ended with a dot is illegal on Windows, if someone
 wants to check out freebsd source code on Windows, it will be a problem.
 
 Is this something we want to support?
 
 Yes, definitely.  Building FreeBSD on other platforms is one of the 
 requests we get very often from embedded systems vendors.  Cheap 
 virtualisation has made it less urgent (they can just stick a FreeBSD 
 VirtualBox VM on their workstations), but it's definitely something we'd 
 like eventually.  To my knowledge, no one is working on it, but we should 
 aim to make life easy for whoever does...
 
 I guess I should clarify: I wasn't talking about cross building in 
 general, but specifically on Windows.  It's far easier to setup a 
 case-sensitive file system on OS X and cross build FreeBSD from there than 
 it is on Windows.
 
 Over 50% of the people that come to FreeBSD.org run windows.  If it is
 possible to support building on windows, we should try.
 
 The big issue isn't case sensitivity or file names ending in dot. The real 
 issue is that our build just isn't setup for this at the moment and it would 
 be a big lift to make it work at all. Sure, go ahead and fix this minor 
 flea-bite of an issue, but there are several large elephant-sized issues 
 before we could have even a tiny chance of doing this...
 
 
 are those issues documented anywhere? :)

I believe I talked to some notes at a developer’s summit 5 years ago or so on 
what I found. The hardest part is bootstrapping the tools needed in the build.

Warner

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