Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-09 Thread Bruce Evans
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Warner Losh wrote: Leaving aside the 'r' question for the moment... Should that be sa or ast? sa is the scsi device for any tape device (formerly st or mt), while ast is for ide/atapi based tape drives. It should be ssa and asa, of course :-). The wt and wst devices

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 08:54:50PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: wst and ast are weird names. Doesn't the "s" in them stand for "SCSI" and not "streaming", so wst is the so-called-Winchester (non-SCSI) SCSI It does to me. But McKusick's mail I forwarded says "s" was for "streaming". -- --

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-08 Thread Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS SPS Perth
The Pyramid series of machines used to have block tape devices, such that one was able to boot a repair kernel and ro root fs off the 1600bpi reel-to-reel deck. Not unaturally, one was discouraged from doing a recursive find on that fs. Stephen (who used to have thoughts of doing the

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-08 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 02:56:17PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: We had this argument the other day, and you clearly didn't understand. Yes I did. We agreed to not agree and to not argue it. :-) Which is why I've never brought it up with you again. -- -- David([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-08 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "David O'Brien" writes: : On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:39:16PM +0200, Christian Weisgerber wrote: : OpenBSD only changed "rmt" to "rst" ("rsa" for us) : : Just "sa" for us -- "sa" is now a raw device and "rFOO" use is : depreciated. Leaving aside the 'r' question for

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-08 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Jacob writes: : Oh, and in the updating of this, don't forget the FreeBSD usage of .ctl for : tape devices- as far as I know this is the only *BSD that has this. Which devices use .ctl? sa and ast don't seem to use them now (at the very least they aren't

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-08 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (May 08), Warner Losh said: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Jacob writes: : Oh, and in the updating of this, don't forget the FreeBSD usage of : .ctl for tape devices- as far as I know this is the only *BSD that : has this. Which devices use .ctl? sa and ast

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-08 Thread Kenneth D. Merry
On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 15:42:01 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Jacob writes: : Oh, and in the updating of this, don't forget the FreeBSD usage of .ctl for : tape devices- as far as I know this is the only *BSD that has this. Which devices use .ctl? sa and

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-08 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Kenneth D. Merry" writes: : The sa driver does use the control nodes, whether or not they're actually : created by MAKEDEV. (Look in saopen().) It's useful to be able to get : status on your tape drive while a backup is going on via the control node, : e.g.: : :

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-08 Thread Matthew Jacob
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Jacob writes: : Oh, and in the updating of this, don't forget the FreeBSD usage of .ctl for : tape devices- as far as I know this is the only *BSD that has this. Which devices use .ctl? sa and ast don't seem

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-08 Thread Matthew Jacob
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (May 08), Warner Losh said: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Jacob writes: : Oh, and in the updating of this, don't forget the FreeBSD usage of : .ctl for tape devices- as far as I know this is the only *BSD that : has

Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-07 Thread Kris Kennaway
Can someone explain to me why pax(1) has (undocumented) switches which select some tape devices, but apparently randomly numbered ones: From tar.h: /* * default device names */ #define DEV_0 "/dev/rmt0" #define DEV_1 "/dev/rmt1" #define DEV_4 "/dev/rmt4" #define

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-07 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain to me why pax(1) has (undocumented) switches which select some tape devices, but apparently randomly numbered ones: Note that these switches appear only in pax' tar compatibility personality, which isn't used in FreeBSD. And the

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-07 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:39:16PM +0200, Christian Weisgerber wrote: OpenBSD only changed "rmt" to "rst" ("rsa" for us) Just "sa" for us -- "sa" is now a raw device and "rFOO" use is depreciated. -- -- David([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-07 Thread Mike Smith
On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:39:16PM +0200, Christian Weisgerber wrote: OpenBSD only changed "rmt" to "rst" ("rsa" for us) Just "sa" for us -- "sa" is now a raw device and "rFOO" use is depreciated. We had this argument the other day, and you clearly didn't understand. We have three

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-07 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'r' prefix for tape devices is entirely unrelated to the 'r' prefix for disk devices. I'd like to see some backup for this assertion. Historically, BSD (up to 4.4) used to have mt block device, rewinding nmt block device, non-rewinding rmt

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-07 Thread Mike Smith
Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'r' prefix for tape devices is entirely unrelated to the 'r' prefix for disk devices. I'd like to see some backup for this assertion. Historically, BSD (up to 4.4) used to have mt block device, rewinding nmt block device,

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-07 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 7 May 2000 at 16:48:36 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'r' prefix for tape devices is entirely unrelated to the 'r' prefix for disk devices. I'd like to see some backup for this assertion. Historically, BSD (up to 4.4) used to have mt

Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1)

2000-05-07 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Greg Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that's an assumption on your part. I think we've come up with enough man pages to support naddy's statement. Which, btw, was drawn from inspection of MAKEDEV in the various 4.xBSD releases in the CSRG archives (Kirk's CD set). Personally, I take