Re: This igb change makes my igb not working anymore - Re: regression in igb/clang?

2015-12-31 Thread alan somers
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=205759

On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Sean Bruno  wrote:
> 
>
> Please create/update/point-me-at a bugzilla issue with all this information.
>
> sean
>
> On 12/22/15 08:37, Alan Somers wrote:
>> I'm experiencing the same problem, and I can confirm that Alexander's
>> workaround fixes it.  Here is some more information:
>>
>> * I see the exact same problem on two different systems, both with
>> S5520HC motherboards.
>> * Both systems have two igb ports, and igb1 works on both.  Only igb0 is 
>> broken.
>> * Disabling tso, lro, rxcsum, and txcsum has no effect.
>> * tcpdump reveals that igb0 transmits successfully, but fails to receive
>> * Curiously, "netstat -I igb0" shows nonzero values for Ipkts, even
>> though "tcpdump  -i igb0" shows no inbound packets at all.
>> * I can't really tell if IPv4 or IPv6 are working, because even ARP
>> doesn't work.
>> * SVN revisions 291495 and 292570 are both bad.  I don't know any
>> recent good revision.
>>
>> -Alan
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Alexander Leidinger
>>  wrote:
>>> Dual stack.
>>> Ping was on ipv4, no answer. Without the line I get the answer.
>>> I have not tried a ping6.
>>> --
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>>> Am 20. November 2015 02:07:11 schrieb Eric Joyner :
>>>
 Are you using IPv6?

 On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM Alexander Leidinger <
 alexan...@leidinger.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:45:32 +0100
> Alexander Leidinger  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I' updated a system with -current as of r287323 (end August) to
>> r290633 (yesterday).
>>
>> Result: no network connection (not even ping) on igb.
>> Ping internally (local addresses) works, anything outgoing/incoming
>> doesn't.
>
> And this is the function which causes it:
> e1000_rx_fifo_flush_82575(>hw);
>
> If I comment it out in if_igb.c, the network card works again.
>
> Full quote below for the PCI ID of my card in case it helps for fixing
> the issue.
>
> Bye,
> Alexander.
>
>> I disabled HW support (tso4, lro, rxcsum, txcsum): doesn't help.
>>
>> Did I miss some known defect/workaround?
>>
>> Anything I should test/provide besides what is below?
>>
>> The igb device is a:
>> ---snip---
>> igb0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x02 card=0x34e28086 chip=0x10a78086
>> rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 ---snip---
>>
>> My src.conf:
>> ---snip---
>> WITH_IDEA=yes
>> WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
>> CFLAGS+=-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS
>> MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes
>> LOADER_FIREWIRE_SUPPORT=yes
>> #WITH_FAST_DEPEND=yes
>> ---snip---
>>
>> My buildworld related config in make.conf:
>> ---snip---
>> CFLAGS+= -O2 -pipe
>> COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe
>> #CPUTYPE?=core2
>> #WITH_CCACHE_BUILD=yes
>> #.if (!empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/src*)
>> || !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/obj*)|| !empty(.CURDIR:M/space/system/usr_obj*))
>> #.if !defined(NOCCACHE) && exists(/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc)
>> #CC:=${CC:C,^cc,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc,1}
>> #CXX:=${CXX:C,^c\+\+,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/c++,1} #.endif
>> #.endif
>> ---snip---
>>
>> The commented out parts were active initially, but then I commented
>> them out, cleaned out /usr/obj (rm -r) and rebuild/reinstall to make
>> sure it's not due to them (CPUTYPE commented out due to the fact that
>> there's a new compiler, and I use zsh and there was a commit talking
>> about zsh and CPUTYPE workaround).
>>
>> Bye,
>> Alexander.
>>
>
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Re: This igb change makes my igb not working anymore - Re: regression in igb/clang?

2015-12-24 Thread Sean Bruno


Please create/update/point-me-at a bugzilla issue with all this information.

sean

On 12/22/15 08:37, Alan Somers wrote:
> I'm experiencing the same problem, and I can confirm that Alexander's
> workaround fixes it.  Here is some more information:
> 
> * I see the exact same problem on two different systems, both with
> S5520HC motherboards.
> * Both systems have two igb ports, and igb1 works on both.  Only igb0 is 
> broken.
> * Disabling tso, lro, rxcsum, and txcsum has no effect.
> * tcpdump reveals that igb0 transmits successfully, but fails to receive
> * Curiously, "netstat -I igb0" shows nonzero values for Ipkts, even
> though "tcpdump  -i igb0" shows no inbound packets at all.
> * I can't really tell if IPv4 or IPv6 are working, because even ARP
> doesn't work.
> * SVN revisions 291495 and 292570 are both bad.  I don't know any
> recent good revision.
> 
> -Alan
> 
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Alexander Leidinger
>  wrote:
>> Dual stack.
>> Ping was on ipv4, no answer. Without the line I get the answer.
>> I have not tried a ping6.
>> --
>> Send from a mobile device, please forgive brevity and misspelling.
>>
>>
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>> Am 20. November 2015 02:07:11 schrieb Eric Joyner :
>>
>>> Are you using IPv6?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM Alexander Leidinger <
>>> alexan...@leidinger.net> wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:45:32 +0100
 Alexander Leidinger  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I' updated a system with -current as of r287323 (end August) to
> r290633 (yesterday).
>
> Result: no network connection (not even ping) on igb.
> Ping internally (local addresses) works, anything outgoing/incoming
> doesn't.

 And this is the function which causes it:
 e1000_rx_fifo_flush_82575(>hw);

 If I comment it out in if_igb.c, the network card works again.

 Full quote below for the PCI ID of my card in case it helps for fixing
 the issue.

 Bye,
 Alexander.

> I disabled HW support (tso4, lro, rxcsum, txcsum): doesn't help.
>
> Did I miss some known defect/workaround?
>
> Anything I should test/provide besides what is below?
>
> The igb device is a:
> ---snip---
> igb0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x02 card=0x34e28086 chip=0x10a78086
> rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 ---snip---
>
> My src.conf:
> ---snip---
> WITH_IDEA=yes
> WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
> CFLAGS+=-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS
> MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes
> LOADER_FIREWIRE_SUPPORT=yes
> #WITH_FAST_DEPEND=yes
> ---snip---
>
> My buildworld related config in make.conf:
> ---snip---
> CFLAGS+= -O2 -pipe
> COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe
> #CPUTYPE?=core2
> #WITH_CCACHE_BUILD=yes
> #.if (!empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/src*)
> || !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/obj*)|| !empty(.CURDIR:M/space/system/usr_obj*))
> #.if !defined(NOCCACHE) && exists(/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc)
> #CC:=${CC:C,^cc,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc,1}
> #CXX:=${CXX:C,^c\+\+,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/c++,1} #.endif
> #.endif
> ---snip---
>
> The commented out parts were active initially, but then I commented
> them out, cleaned out /usr/obj (rm -r) and rebuild/reinstall to make
> sure it's not due to them (CPUTYPE commented out due to the fact that
> there's a new compiler, and I use zsh and there was a commit talking
> about zsh and CPUTYPE workaround).
>
> Bye,
> Alexander.
>


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Re: This igb change makes my igb not working anymore - Re: regression in igb/clang?

2015-12-22 Thread Alan Somers
I'm experiencing the same problem, and I can confirm that Alexander's
workaround fixes it.  Here is some more information:

* I see the exact same problem on two different systems, both with
S5520HC motherboards.
* Both systems have two igb ports, and igb1 works on both.  Only igb0 is broken.
* Disabling tso, lro, rxcsum, and txcsum has no effect.
* tcpdump reveals that igb0 transmits successfully, but fails to receive
* Curiously, "netstat -I igb0" shows nonzero values for Ipkts, even
though "tcpdump  -i igb0" shows no inbound packets at all.
* I can't really tell if IPv4 or IPv6 are working, because even ARP
doesn't work.
* SVN revisions 291495 and 292570 are both bad.  I don't know any
recent good revision.

-Alan

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Alexander Leidinger
 wrote:
> Dual stack.
> Ping was on ipv4, no answer. Without the line I get the answer.
> I have not tried a ping6.
> --
> Send from a mobile device, please forgive brevity and misspelling.
>
>
> Gesendet mit AquaMail für Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> Am 20. November 2015 02:07:11 schrieb Eric Joyner :
>
>> Are you using IPv6?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM Alexander Leidinger <
>> alexan...@leidinger.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:45:32 +0100
>>> Alexander Leidinger  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I' updated a system with -current as of r287323 (end August) to
>>> > r290633 (yesterday).
>>> >
>>> > Result: no network connection (not even ping) on igb.
>>> > Ping internally (local addresses) works, anything outgoing/incoming
>>> > doesn't.
>>>
>>> And this is the function which causes it:
>>> e1000_rx_fifo_flush_82575(>hw);
>>>
>>> If I comment it out in if_igb.c, the network card works again.
>>>
>>> Full quote below for the PCI ID of my card in case it helps for fixing
>>> the issue.
>>>
>>> Bye,
>>> Alexander.
>>>
>>> > I disabled HW support (tso4, lro, rxcsum, txcsum): doesn't help.
>>> >
>>> > Did I miss some known defect/workaround?
>>> >
>>> > Anything I should test/provide besides what is below?
>>> >
>>> > The igb device is a:
>>> > ---snip---
>>> > igb0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x02 card=0x34e28086 chip=0x10a78086
>>> > rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 ---snip---
>>> >
>>> > My src.conf:
>>> > ---snip---
>>> > WITH_IDEA=yes
>>> > WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
>>> > CFLAGS+=-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS
>>> > MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes
>>> > LOADER_FIREWIRE_SUPPORT=yes
>>> > #WITH_FAST_DEPEND=yes
>>> > ---snip---
>>> >
>>> > My buildworld related config in make.conf:
>>> > ---snip---
>>> > CFLAGS+= -O2 -pipe
>>> > COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe
>>> > #CPUTYPE?=core2
>>> > #WITH_CCACHE_BUILD=yes
>>> > #.if (!empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/src*)
>>> > || !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/obj*)|| !empty(.CURDIR:M/space/system/usr_obj*))
>>> > #.if !defined(NOCCACHE) && exists(/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc)
>>> > #CC:=${CC:C,^cc,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc,1}
>>> > #CXX:=${CXX:C,^c\+\+,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/c++,1} #.endif
>>> > #.endif
>>> > ---snip---
>>> >
>>> > The commented out parts were active initially, but then I commented
>>> > them out, cleaned out /usr/obj (rm -r) and rebuild/reinstall to make
>>> > sure it's not due to them (CPUTYPE commented out due to the fact that
>>> > there's a new compiler, and I use zsh and there was a commit talking
>>> > about zsh and CPUTYPE workaround).
>>> >
>>> > Bye,
>>> > Alexander.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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This igb change makes my igb not working anymore - Re: regression in igb/clang?

2015-11-19 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:45:32 +0100
Alexander Leidinger  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I' updated a system with -current as of r287323 (end August) to
> r290633 (yesterday).
> 
> Result: no network connection (not even ping) on igb.
> Ping internally (local addresses) works, anything outgoing/incoming
> doesn't.

And this is the function which causes it:
e1000_rx_fifo_flush_82575(>hw);

If I comment it out in if_igb.c, the network card works again.

Full quote below for the PCI ID of my card in case it helps for fixing
the issue.

Bye,
Alexander.

> I disabled HW support (tso4, lro, rxcsum, txcsum): doesn't help.
> 
> Did I miss some known defect/workaround?
> 
> Anything I should test/provide besides what is below?
> 
> The igb device is a:
> ---snip---
> igb0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x02 card=0x34e28086 chip=0x10a78086
> rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 ---snip---
> 
> My src.conf:
> ---snip---
> WITH_IDEA=yes
> WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
> CFLAGS+=-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS
> MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes
> LOADER_FIREWIRE_SUPPORT=yes
> #WITH_FAST_DEPEND=yes
> ---snip---
> 
> My buildworld related config in make.conf:
> ---snip---
> CFLAGS+= -O2 -pipe
> COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe
> #CPUTYPE?=core2
> #WITH_CCACHE_BUILD=yes
> #.if (!empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/src*)
> || !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/obj*)|| !empty(.CURDIR:M/space/system/usr_obj*))
> #.if !defined(NOCCACHE) && exists(/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc)
> #CC:=${CC:C,^cc,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc,1}
> #CXX:=${CXX:C,^c\+\+,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/c++,1} #.endif
> #.endif
> ---snip---
> 
> The commented out parts were active initially, but then I commented
> them out, cleaned out /usr/obj (rm -r) and rebuild/reinstall to make
> sure it's not due to them (CPUTYPE commented out due to the fact that
> there's a new compiler, and I use zsh and there was a commit talking
> about zsh and CPUTYPE workaround).
> 
> Bye,
> Alexander.
> 


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Re: This igb change makes my igb not working anymore - Re: regression in igb/clang?

2015-11-19 Thread Eric Joyner
Are you using IPv6?

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM Alexander Leidinger <
alexan...@leidinger.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:45:32 +0100
> Alexander Leidinger  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I' updated a system with -current as of r287323 (end August) to
> > r290633 (yesterday).
> >
> > Result: no network connection (not even ping) on igb.
> > Ping internally (local addresses) works, anything outgoing/incoming
> > doesn't.
>
> And this is the function which causes it:
> e1000_rx_fifo_flush_82575(>hw);
>
> If I comment it out in if_igb.c, the network card works again.
>
> Full quote below for the PCI ID of my card in case it helps for fixing
> the issue.
>
> Bye,
> Alexander.
>
> > I disabled HW support (tso4, lro, rxcsum, txcsum): doesn't help.
> >
> > Did I miss some known defect/workaround?
> >
> > Anything I should test/provide besides what is below?
> >
> > The igb device is a:
> > ---snip---
> > igb0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x02 card=0x34e28086 chip=0x10a78086
> > rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 ---snip---
> >
> > My src.conf:
> > ---snip---
> > WITH_IDEA=yes
> > WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
> > CFLAGS+=-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS
> > MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes
> > LOADER_FIREWIRE_SUPPORT=yes
> > #WITH_FAST_DEPEND=yes
> > ---snip---
> >
> > My buildworld related config in make.conf:
> > ---snip---
> > CFLAGS+= -O2 -pipe
> > COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe
> > #CPUTYPE?=core2
> > #WITH_CCACHE_BUILD=yes
> > #.if (!empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/src*)
> > || !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/obj*)|| !empty(.CURDIR:M/space/system/usr_obj*))
> > #.if !defined(NOCCACHE) && exists(/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc)
> > #CC:=${CC:C,^cc,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc,1}
> > #CXX:=${CXX:C,^c\+\+,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/c++,1} #.endif
> > #.endif
> > ---snip---
> >
> > The commented out parts were active initially, but then I commented
> > them out, cleaned out /usr/obj (rm -r) and rebuild/reinstall to make
> > sure it's not due to them (CPUTYPE commented out due to the fact that
> > there's a new compiler, and I use zsh and there was a commit talking
> > about zsh and CPUTYPE workaround).
> >
> > Bye,
> > Alexander.
> >
>
>
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Re: This igb change makes my igb not working anymore - Re: regression in igb/clang?

2015-11-19 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Dual stack.
Ping was on ipv4, no answer. Without the line I get the answer.
I have not tried a ping6.
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Am 20. November 2015 02:07:11 schrieb Eric Joyner :

> Are you using IPv6?
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM Alexander Leidinger <
> alexan...@leidinger.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:45:32 +0100
>> Alexander Leidinger  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I' updated a system with -current as of r287323 (end August) to
>> > r290633 (yesterday).
>> >
>> > Result: no network connection (not even ping) on igb.
>> > Ping internally (local addresses) works, anything outgoing/incoming
>> > doesn't.
>>
>> And this is the function which causes it:
>> e1000_rx_fifo_flush_82575(>hw);
>>
>> If I comment it out in if_igb.c, the network card works again.
>>
>> Full quote below for the PCI ID of my card in case it helps for fixing
>> the issue.
>>
>> Bye,
>> Alexander.
>>
>> > I disabled HW support (tso4, lro, rxcsum, txcsum): doesn't help.
>> >
>> > Did I miss some known defect/workaround?
>> >
>> > Anything I should test/provide besides what is below?
>> >
>> > The igb device is a:
>> > ---snip---
>> > igb0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x02 card=0x34e28086 chip=0x10a78086
>> > rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 ---snip---
>> >
>> > My src.conf:
>> > ---snip---
>> > WITH_IDEA=yes
>> > WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
>> > CFLAGS+=-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS
>> > MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes
>> > LOADER_FIREWIRE_SUPPORT=yes
>> > #WITH_FAST_DEPEND=yes
>> > ---snip---
>> >
>> > My buildworld related config in make.conf:
>> > ---snip---
>> > CFLAGS+= -O2 -pipe
>> > COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe
>> > #CPUTYPE?=core2
>> > #WITH_CCACHE_BUILD=yes
>> > #.if (!empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/src*)
>> > || !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/obj*)|| !empty(.CURDIR:M/space/system/usr_obj*))
>> > #.if !defined(NOCCACHE) && exists(/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc)
>> > #CC:=${CC:C,^cc,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc,1}
>> > #CXX:=${CXX:C,^c\+\+,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/c++,1} #.endif
>> > #.endif
>> > ---snip---
>> >
>> > The commented out parts were active initially, but then I commented
>> > them out, cleaned out /usr/obj (rm -r) and rebuild/reinstall to make
>> > sure it's not due to them (CPUTYPE commented out due to the fact that
>> > there's a new compiler, and I use zsh and there was a commit talking
>> > about zsh and CPUTYPE workaround).
>> >
>> > Bye,
>> > Alexander.
>> >
>>
>>
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regression in igb/clang?

2015-11-11 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Hi,

I' updated a system with -current as of r287323 (end August) to r290633
(yesterday).

Result: no network connection (not even ping) on igb.
Ping internally (local addresses) works, anything outgoing/incoming
doesn't.

I disabled HW support (tso4, lro, rxcsum, txcsum): doesn't help.

Did I miss some known defect/workaround?

Anything I should test/provide besides what is below?

The igb device is a:
---snip---
igb0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x02 card=0x34e28086 chip=0x10a78086 rev=0x02 
hdr=0x00
---snip---

My src.conf:
---snip---
WITH_IDEA=yes
WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
CFLAGS+=-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS
MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes
LOADER_FIREWIRE_SUPPORT=yes
#WITH_FAST_DEPEND=yes
---snip---

My buildworld related config in make.conf:
---snip---
CFLAGS+= -O2 -pipe
COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe
#CPUTYPE?=core2
#WITH_CCACHE_BUILD=yes
#.if (!empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/src*)
|| !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/obj*)|| !empty(.CURDIR:M/space/system/usr_obj*))
#.if !defined(NOCCACHE) && exists(/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc)
#CC:=${CC:C,^cc,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc,1}
#CXX:=${CXX:C,^c\+\+,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/c++,1} #.endif
#.endif
---snip---

The commented out parts were active initially, but then I commented
them out, cleaned out /usr/obj (rm -r) and rebuild/reinstall to make
sure it's not due to them (CPUTYPE commented out due to the fact that
there's a new compiler, and I use zsh and there was a commit talking
about zsh and CPUTYPE workaround).

Bye,
Alexander.

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