Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Anonymous
Really? Couldn't the Port WWN change and the Node WWN stay constant? I mean, yes, for FC controllers that have WWN in the 0x2 range, the Node WWN is 0x20... and the Port is 0x22... but it seems like this is a soft relationship- you *could* have Port Node unique for each

ufs/ffs resize?

1999-06-25 Thread Aaron Smith
anybody done any work on a utility for growing ufs filesystems? aaron To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: ufs/ffs resize?

1999-06-25 Thread Anonymous
there are several greg lehey has been collecting them. julian On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Aaron Smith wrote: anybody done any work on a utility for growing ufs filesystems? aaron To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Anonymous
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:55:03 -0600 Wes Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there enough bytes available in the BIOS NVRAM? That would do nicely as a place to store it. If you want this to be widely adoped across the free OS community (hell, even if you want both of FreeBSD's platforms

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Jason Thorpe
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:18:04 -0600 Wes Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whose BIOS NVRAM? The host system BIOS NVRAM. I thought we were looking for a per-host ID here, right? I think Matt meant "which vendor's BIOS?" -- Jason R. Thorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe:

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Anonymous
Matthew Jacob wrote: Whose BIOS NVRAM? The host system BIOS NVRAM. I thought we were looking for a per-host ID here, right? Yes, but this kind of NVRAM isn't available on an Alpha, or a Sparc. On the SPARC you can put it in the OpenBoot environment. I dunno about the

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Matthew Jacob
On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Matthew Jacob mja...@feral.com wrote: I was talking about this on linux-kernel, but it also applies to *BSD... What're folks' motions of a settable system unique identifier, available prior to

SMP locking (Was Re: Microsoft performance (was: ...))

1999-06-25 Thread Arun Sharma
On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 10:56:07PM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: Alan Cox has just started passing around some code that starts on the breakdown of the GKL I suggest that all intersted parties go to the SMP list if they wish to take part in this action. You mean freebsd-...@freebsd.org ?

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Jason Thorpe
On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Matthew Jacob mja...@feral.com wrote: More generally a system unique identifier available early (pre mountroot) could be useful for a number of things. Why're you asking? The intended usage: (1) Could influence where it is stored.

Re: SMP locking (Was Re: Microsoft performance (was: ...))

1999-06-25 Thread Julian Elischer
On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Arun Sharma wrote: You mean freebsd-...@freebsd.org ? I've been reading the list for a while, but haven't seen any code there. Am I missing something ? I've just redirected some stuff there, and there's some stuff that will be sent there shortly. -Arun

Re: Anybody using the Efficient Networks ATM PCI adapter?

1999-06-25 Thread Jesper Skriver
On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 06:39:07PM -0700, Jaye Mathisen wrote: I see it's supported, but I'm curious if anybody is using it. If so, I'd like to ask a few questions off-line of somebody... Soren S. Jorvang so...@t.dk is working on a NetBSD driver for the ATM25 version ... he claims it should

Re: Anybody using the Efficient Networks ATM PCI adapter?

1999-06-25 Thread Soren S. Jorvang
On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:18:53AM +0200, Jesper Skriver wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 06:39:07PM -0700, Jaye Mathisen wrote: I see it's supported, but I'm curious if anybody is using it. If so, I'd like to ask a few questions off-line of somebody... Soren S. Jorvang so...@t.dk is

Driver for Efficient Networks SpeadStream 3010 ATM-25 NIC

1999-06-25 Thread Taavi Talvik
Hello ! Driver for Efficient Networks lanai based NIC is available at ftp://ftp.uninet.ee/pub/ATM/. This is just brute force port of original NetBSD driver written by john.c.hayw...@wheaton.edu. Jeremie Kass jere...@umich.edu is working on OpenBSD port. Driver should be reviewed (cleaned

Re: Inetd and wrapping.

1999-06-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:53:08 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: Here's one possibility, it adds a a wrap/nowrap field that goes beside the wait/nowait field, so you would have: ftp stream tcp nowait wrap root /usr/libexec/ftpd ftpd -l hi John, I think I prefer the

Cyclic stopping CVS development

1999-06-25 Thread Dominic Mitchell
This may have some bearing on FreeBSD... http://www.lwn.net/daily/cyclic.html -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator Always think very hard before messing with TCP. And then don't. -- MC --

Re: [ispell(1) is for WIMPs (was Re: vi(1) is for whimps)]

1999-06-25 Thread Jesus Monroy
Wes Peters w...@softweyr.com wrote: Bill Fumerola wrote: On 22 Jun 1999, Jesus Monroy wrote: vi(1) is for whimps http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/1986/viforwhimps.html As long as you're critiquing people for what you called (paraphrased) a smiley that made you sound

REQ: Better etiquette next week

1999-06-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
I find myself looking back at some of the ridiculous mail that found its way into freebsd-hackers (instead of freebsd-chat or /dev/null) this week and I wonder how on earth people without my li'l dethread script survive. No, NO! Don't tell me, publically or privately, I don't care. I'd like to

Xeon box hanging, top shows FFS_node. FFS problem?

1999-06-25 Thread Dmitry Flitmann
Hi there! We've got a fast computer for our database (Intel SC450NX, 2xXeon/500MHz, 1G RAM, SymBios U2W SCSI onboard, 2xPCI, 3x18G Seagate Cheetah, OS - FreeBSD 3.2-R). At first, we had to patch NCR driver - then it worked fine for some time. When we started to load our new server with data

How to debug message passing based multiprogramming program?

1999-06-25 Thread miaobo
Hi Hackers! I am not a professional programmer as you are or I know much about debug skills. But here I have a large multiprogramming program that I need to hack into. The program can be divided into several functional modules and a kernel module which handles all messages needed for every

Re: REQ: Better etiquette next week

1999-06-25 Thread Janie
hello all ~ I never posted to this list - maybe once, but I learned. I follow threads of brilliant minds at work and I read - and I am amazed by creative and complex issues which are resolved by a group of geeky greats. So - before I begin to drag this out - I wanted to share in agreement with

Re: Inetd and wrapping.

1999-06-25 Thread Aaron Smith
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:14:48 +0200, Sheldon Hearn writes: I think I prefer the suggestion I saw from someone else, which would allow ftpstream tcp nowait/10/10/wrap root ... This can be done in such a way as to be backward compatible. Looks like something for the week-end, if I can

Re: Inetd and wrapping.

1999-06-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:44:06 MST, Aaron Smith wrote: could you please restate the argument for this? i still haven't heard a decent reason for this sort of conf format perturbation. I'm so tempted to say me too. :-) John Baldwin has suggested that he had functionality with inetd + tcpd that

Re: Anybody using the Efficient Networks ATM PCI adapter?

1999-06-25 Thread John . C . Hayward
Couple of notes: o Taavi has done work on the FreeBSD port o The driver at ftp://ftp.wheaton.edu has several bugs in it which I think both Soren and Taavi have adjuste for. johnh... Quoting Soren S. Jorvang so...@t.dk: On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:18:53AM +0200, Jesper Skriver wrote: On Thu,

Re: Inetd and wrapping.

1999-06-25 Thread Keith Stevenson
On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 02:50:34PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:44:06 MST, Aaron Smith wrote: could you please restate the argument for this? i still haven't heard a decent reason for this sort of conf format perturbation. I'm so tempted to say me too. :-) John

Re: Inetd and wrapping.

1999-06-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:31:26 -0400, Keith Stevenson wrote: What is possible now that wasn't possible with tcpd from the ports collection? Why incorporate libwrap (and make our inetd functionally different from everyone else's) instead of bringing tcpd into the base system? If we _don't_

Re: Inetd and wrapping.

1999-06-25 Thread Keith Stevenson
On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 04:05:05PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:31:26 -0400, Keith Stevenson wrote: What is possible now that wasn't possible with tcpd from the ports collection? Why incorporate libwrap (and make our inetd functionally different from everyone

Re: Connect and so on..

1999-06-25 Thread Dan Seguin
On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Dan Seguin wrote: [snip] I use the calling proc's table as it is passed to the system call, and am trying to call socket and connect as if the user process originally called them one by one (from userland syscall 97

RE: Connect and so on..

1999-06-25 Thread Ladavac Marino
-Original Message- From: Dan Seguin [SMTP:d...@texar.com] Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 5:26 PM To: Brian F. Feldman Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Connect and so on.. As I said earlier in this post, I need to open a connection to the outside (presumably) from the

RE: Connect and so on..

1999-06-25 Thread Dan Seguin
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Ladavac Marino wrote: -Original Message- From: Dan Seguin [SMTP:d...@texar.com] Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 5:26 PM To: Brian F. Feldman Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject:Re: Connect and so on.. As I said earlier in this post, I need to open

Re: Connect and so on..

1999-06-25 Thread Mike Smith
static struct sockaddr_in servaddr; This needs to be a valid structure in USER space, not kernel. OK. I suspected as much. Question is: how do I open a connection from KERNEL space? You don't. If you're really desperate to do this, you'll have to patch _all_ of the system calls

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Roger Brooks
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Eduardo E. Horvath wrote: We've been hashing this issue out quite a bit. Since a Fibre Channel card is by definition a fibre channel controller, each card should have a unique WWN that is used for the node WWN. If you swap a controller, the node WWN should change. I've

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Matthew Jacob
On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Matthew Jacob mja...@feral.com wrote: More generally a system unique identifier available early (pre mountroot) could be useful for a number of things. Why're you asking? The intended usage: (1) Could influence where it is stored.

NEWBUS-ifyed ISA-PnP Question.

1999-06-25 Thread takawata
Hi, I believe someone working on NEWBUS-ifying ISA-PnP. How will they implement it? I think current framework is like this. ++ ++ ...|ISA DEV | |ISA-hint|-This device provides ++ ++ what device is connected | ||

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Matthew Jacob
On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: Specifically in this case a Node WWN for fibre channel fabrics that does not depend upon an assigned WWN in any particular Fibre Channel card (multipathing might make it desirable to have a synthetic Node WWN that can also be passed to partner

Re: Inetd and wrapping.

1999-06-25 Thread Aaron Smith
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:05:05 +0200, Sheldon Hearn writes: We'll also end up with an inetd that _can_ wrap if it's told to (-w and -ww). So we end up offering a better super-server than we had before, with no backward compatibility problems, and no additional incompatibilities with other systems (I

NIS Question Thanks!!

1999-06-25 Thread Nick LoPresti
First of all, I would like to thank everyone who helped me with my NIS problems(A few days back). It is up and running now. For anyone else attempting to set up NIS, what really helped me was this website: http://www.realtime.net/sculpture/nis-startup.html For all those questioning the security

SOCKS5 Question

1999-06-25 Thread Nick LoPresti
Lemme explain my situation. I have a FreeBSD box sitting behind a Microsoft Proxy Server. I want the FreeBSD box to be able to reach the internet via SOCKS. I have downloaded, installed, and played a great deal with this software. I can't seem to get it to work. Could someone help me out?

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Matthew Jacob wrote ... Yes. The Solaris drivers use the 'localetheraddr' function, or's in 160 and then HBA instance # 48 to make a NAA_IEEE port identifier. The main issue, I think, is that of persistence. How persistent do you want it? I'd bet that no matter what source you

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Matthew Jacob
FYI: The Compaq HSG80 Fibrechannel RAID controllers have their WWN in NVRAM. One is supposed to get the WWN from a label on the *cabinet* into the HSG controller. This allows for easy hardware swap in case of hardware grief. Yes, if you want the WWN to stay constant. -matt To

Re: Serial Console Wierdness

1999-06-25 Thread Doug
On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Aaron Smith wrote: (also see http://www.arctic.org/~aaron/tips/freebsd-serial-console) Great page, thank you. One suggestion I have is that you make the distinction between getting a login prompt on the com console and getting the boot messages to display on the com

Re: Inetd and wrapping.

1999-06-25 Thread David Malone
On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 11:02:04AM -0700, Aaron Smith wrote: i have no problem with -w options, but i am still surprised that you want to go ahead with the conf format change. This isn't so much a conf format change, as a conf format extension. It is the same type of extension as was added to

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Matthew Jacob
Really? Couldn't the Port WWN change and the Node WWN stay constant? I mean, yes, for FC controllers that have WWN in the 0x2 range, the Node WWN is 0x20... and the Port is 0x22... but it seems like this is a soft relationship- you *could* have Port Node unique for each

Re: Inetd and wrapping.

1999-06-25 Thread Aaron Smith
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:12:01 BST, David Malone writes: This isn't so much a conf format change, as a conf format extension. It is the same type of extension as was added to support max child and max child per minute - which aren't a standard inetd feature. All old inetd.conf files remain valid.

ufs/ffs resize?

1999-06-25 Thread Aaron Smith
anybody done any work on a utility for growing ufs filesystems? aaron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: ufs/ffs resize?

1999-06-25 Thread Julian Elischer
there are several greg lehey has been collecting them. julian On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Aaron Smith wrote: anybody done any work on a utility for growing ufs filesystems? aaron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Matthew Jacob wrote ... FYI: The Compaq HSG80 Fibrechannel RAID controllers have their WWN in NVRAM. One is supposed to get the WWN from a label on the *cabinet* into the HSG controller. This allows for easy hardware swap in case of hardware grief. Yes, if you want the WWN to

Re: ufs/ffs resize?

1999-06-25 Thread Matthew Dillon
:anybody done any work on a utility for growing ufs filesystems? : :aaron It has been brought up a couple of times but nobody has tried to do actually it. Personally, I think it would be a doable project if someone wanted to have a go at it - to allow a filesystem to be grown or

Re: ufs/ffs resize?

1999-06-25 Thread Luigi Rizzo
:anybody done any work on a utility for growing ufs filesystems? : :aaron It has been brought up a couple of times but nobody has tried to do actually it. Personally, I think it would be a doable project if someone wanted to have a go at it - to allow a filesystem to be

Re: Inetd and wrapping.

1999-06-25 Thread Drew Eckhardt
In article 199906242353.taa06...@smtp4.erols.com you write: Here's one possibility, it adds a a wrap/nowrap field that goes beside the wait/nowait field, so you would have: ftp stream tcp nowait wrap root /usr/libexec/ftpd ftpd -l Breaking backwards compatability is evil.

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Matthew Jacob
Yes, you want the WWN to stay constant. That doesn't mean it should necessarily be the same physical box. Nor does it mean it should be a system that comes with a WWN assigned to by the manufacturer. I think I'm confusing myself and people. I have a WWN. By definition it should be unique value.

Re: synch primitives (was Re: Microsoft performance)

1999-06-25 Thread Wes Peters
Aaron Smith wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:14:19 CDT, Alfred Perlstein writes: I'm not sure what you mean by the refernce to malloc types, I just thought something along the lines of mutex_t with an API for trying, allocating, freeing and initializing them. i'd really like to implement

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Wes Peters
Matthew Jacob wrote: I want it to persist until it's changed. Change doesn't mean a reboot. The Linux folks (mostly Ted) helped me clarify some thinking about this so that the basic original source of the seeded WWN doesn't have to come from first principles in hardware that can be read

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Matthew Jacob
I want it to persist until it's changed. Change doesn't mean a reboot. The Linux folks (mostly Ted) helped me clarify some thinking about this so that the basic original source of the seeded WWN doesn't have to come from first principles in hardware that can be read prior to

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Wes Peters
Matthew Jacob wrote: I want it to persist until it's changed. Change doesn't mean a reboot. The Linux folks (mostly Ted) helped me clarify some thinking about this so that the basic original source of the seeded WWN doesn't have to come from first principles in hardware that

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Matthew Jacob
Whose BIOS NVRAM? The host system BIOS NVRAM. I thought we were looking for a per-host ID here, right? Yes, but this kind of NVRAM isn't available on an Alpha, or a Sparc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Jason Thorpe
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:55:03 -0600 Wes Peters w...@softweyr.com wrote: Are there enough bytes available in the BIOS NVRAM? That would do nicely as a place to store it. If you want this to be widely adoped across the free OS community (hell, even if you want both of FreeBSD's platforms to

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Jason Thorpe
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:18:04 -0600 Wes Peters w...@softweyr.com wrote: Whose BIOS NVRAM? The host system BIOS NVRAM. I thought we were looking for a per-host ID here, right? I think Matt meant which vendor's BIOS? -- Jason R. Thorpe thor...@nas.nasa.gov To Unsubscribe:

Re: Microsoft performance (was: ...)

1999-06-25 Thread Zach Brown
On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Mike Smith wrote: It's stupid to tune everything for performance except for the web server -- they should be using Zeus, not Apache. The Zeus evaluation license prohibits its use for benchmarks, and the Zeus folks failed to respond to any of my attempts to

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Wes Peters
Matthew Jacob wrote: Whose BIOS NVRAM? The host system BIOS NVRAM. I thought we were looking for a per-host ID here, right? Yes, but this kind of NVRAM isn't available on an Alpha, or a Sparc. On the SPARC you can put it in the OpenBoot environment. I dunno about the Alpha. --

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Matthew Jacob
Matthew Jacob wrote: Whose BIOS NVRAM? The host system BIOS NVRAM. I thought we were looking for a per-host ID here, right? Yes, but this kind of NVRAM isn't available on an Alpha, or a Sparc. On the SPARC you can put it in the OpenBoot environment. I dunno about the

Re: System unique identifier.....

1999-06-25 Thread Mike Smith
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:55:03 -0600 Wes Peters w...@softweyr.com wrote: Are there enough bytes available in the BIOS NVRAM? That would do nicely as a place to store it. If you want this to be widely adoped across the free OS community (hell, even if you want both of FreeBSD's

building thread-safe Xlibs

1999-06-25 Thread Francis Jordan
Can anyone please give me some clues as to how to build X with thread support enabled. I think the right way to do it is to add the relevant options to config/cf/FreeBSD.cf, something like #define HasPosixThreads YES #define ThreadedX YES #define ThreadsLibraries

Re: ufs/ffs resize?

1999-06-25 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
to do actually it. Personally, I think it would be a doable project if someone wanted to have a go at it - to allow a filesystem to be grown or shrunk on a cylinder-by-cylinder basis. The only real complexity occurs when you are shrinking a filesystem - you have to locat e

CF Ethernet cards

1999-06-25 Thread Warner Losh
Can anybody recommend a good Type I Compact Flash ethernet card that has a driver for one or more of FreeBSD, NetBSD or OpenBSD? Please note, I'm not asking for a PC Card, PCMCIA, or CardBus. I have a device that has a Type I Compact Flash slot. All the CF Ethernet cards I've seen have shared

Re: ufs/ffs resize?

1999-06-25 Thread Greg Lehey
[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] On Friday, 25 June 1999 at 18:22:19 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: to do actually it. Personally, I think it would be a doable project if someone wanted to have a go at it - to allow a filesystem to be grown or

Re: Inetd and wrapping.

1999-06-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:02:00 MST, Aaron Smith wrote: hey, that's a pretty neat feature. i confess i wasn't aware of that. out of curiosity, can old inetds read this without choking? No, the extension would cause older inetd's to barf. agreed; what i was trying to get at is the mental

Re: [Re: coarse vs fine-grained locking in SMP systems]

1999-06-25 Thread Jesus Monroy
Ville-Pertti Keinonen w...@iki.fi wrote: m...@servo.ccr.org (Mike O'Dell) writes: we published the best Unix SMP paper I've ever seen in Computing Systems - from the Amdahl guys who did an SMP version of the kernel by very clever hacks on SPLx() macros to make them spin locks and a bit of