Re: desire for ftp.internat.freebsd.org mirror

2000-04-07 Thread Geoff Rehmet
David O'Brien writes : Access to ftp.internat.freebsd.org from the USA (and presumably elsewhere) is an abomination. Isn't there *anyone* with an permanate FTP server that could officially mirror the crypto bits from ftp.internat.freebsd.org? Part of the reason for the poor access is that

Re: desire for ftp.internat.freebsd.org mirror

2000-04-07 Thread John Hay
On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 12:05:48PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 02:16:15PM +0200, Jesper Skriver wrote: elsewhere) is an abomination. Isn't there *anyone* with an permanate FTP server that could officially mirror the crypto bits from

Re: Unicode on FreeBSD

2000-04-07 Thread Anatoly Vorobey
I'm glad we are discussing specific technical issues now. Perhaps we should move this discussion to freebsd-i18n once it's created? You, Kazutaka YOKOTA, were spotted writing this on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 12:13:14PM +0900: I have suggested adding Unicode support in the keyboard driver and the

Re: bad memory patch?

2000-04-07 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 03:31:07PM +0100, Koster, K.J. wrote: Not trying to push this idea one way or the other, I'm just curious as to WHY so many people think this is a "bad idea" I can think of four things real quick: 1) Disks are much slowere, and controllers actually have time

Re: need help

2000-04-07 Thread John Sconiers
Type [enter] You should then be at a "#" sign Type " fsck -y " when it gets done Type 'exit' It should continue booting. hi : when loading the kernel , i have the following error : ** the following file system had an

Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Gustavo V G C Rios
Alfred Perlstein wrote: Some archs (such as i386) allow the OS to set page protections and io permission bitmaps that effectively can pretect against problems with drivers touching incorrect IO ranges, however... Worse yet: What about hardware buggy devices? This could case the

RE: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO
[...] Worse yet: What about hardware buggy devices? This could case the entiry system to crash, isn't it ? Yes, incorrectly programmed hardware either by firmware (on chip/board) or by drivers can cause crashes and hardware damage. [...] This design, would not let a system

Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Kenneth Wayne Culver
I don't think that's quite true. I've seen microkernels crash because of bad drivers. I think no matter what, even in a microkernel the drivers have to interface directly to the kernel. I could be wrong but I thought that in a microkernel, drivers were loaded as kernel modules.

Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Gustavo V G C Rios
"Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO" wrote: only one :-) performance :-) context switch is a slow operation. Thanks, emax Excuse me gentleman, who said that ? Take time to visit this site: http://www.qnx.com/iat/download/index.html You'll be introduced to a hard-real time OS (with a very modular

Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Nick Sayer
Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: Why not starting a microkernel arch? IMHO the microkernel is the emperor's new clothes (so is OOP, but that, I suspect, I won't get quite so much agreement on). Context switching has been mentioned, but in addition to that, the real problem is that it really doesn't

Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Ronald G. Minnich
On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: What all you think about that ? I think you need to do a literature search for, oh, say, six months and get back to us. You'll need to read ca. 256-512 or so articles. I'm not kidding. You should start reading papers from the 1960s. And oh yes,

Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Gustavo V G C Rios
Nick Sayer wrote: Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: Why not starting a microkernel arch? IMHO the microkernel is the emperor's new clothes (so is OOP, but that, I suspect, I won't get quite so much agreement on). Context switching has been mentioned, but in addition to that, the real

RE: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO
[...] only one :-) performance :-) context switch is a slow operation. Excuse me gentleman, who said that ? Well, Intel does :) Take time to visit this site: http://www.qnx.com/iat/download/index.html I know this OS. It looks great. Perhaps, it is a good choice for embeded OS. A good

Re: bad memory patch?

2000-04-07 Thread Parag Patel
Not necessarily a bad idea, but certainly incomplete. Being able to detect and run with bad RAM is only about halfway there. The other half is being able to remove and replace the bad RAM without taking the machine down. Like some of the old mainframes (ie TOPS-10, I think). This not only

Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Wes Peters
Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: Alfred Perlstein wrote: Some archs (such as i386) allow the OS to set page protections and io permission bitmaps that effectively can pretect against problems with drivers touching incorrect IO ranges, however... Worse yet: What about hardware buggy

Re: Troubles with network buffers.. Any Ideas??

2000-04-07 Thread Howard Leadmon
Thanks for the fast reply.. :) Needless to say the machine has been rebooted since the last time it died, but I'll try and keep an eye on it and next time it locks if I can get to the console I'll see if I can grab a snapshot at that time. If a current running snapshot is of any use

Re: bad memory patch?

2000-04-07 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Maybe I'm mis-understanding something, but isn't this situation : analagous to bad sectors on a hard drive? Isn't this similar, at : least in theory, to remapping dead sectors and continuing to use the : drive? (except that the disk's

Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gustavo V G C Rios writes: : All other tasks would run in like any other user process, like a fyle : system daemon, process daemon , internet daemon (not inetd), and, of : course, device drivers programs. This still won't stop you from wedging the machine absoltely

Re: bad memory patch?

2000-04-07 Thread Brooks Davis
On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 04:04:23PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Maybe I'm mis-understanding something, but isn't this situation : analagous to bad sectors on a hard drive? Isn't this similar, at : least in theory, to remapping dead

Ordering in HARDWARE.TXT

2000-04-07 Thread Warner Losh
What's the proper ordering for the hardware listed in HARDWARE.TXT? What's the right way to list drivers that are generally only available on embedded hardware (eg the crystal semiconductor 89x0 based hardware isn't listed in the supported section, even though it appears on many embedded

Re: bad memory patch?

2000-04-07 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 03:19:07PM -0700, Brooks Davis wrote: On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 04:04:23PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Maybe I'm mis-understanding something, but isn't this situation : analagous to bad sectors on a hard drive?

Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Ugen Antsilevitch
Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: "Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO" wrote: only one :-) performance :-) context switch is a slow operation. Thanks, emax Excuse me gentleman, who said that ? Take time to visit this site: http://www.qnx.com/iat/download/index.html You'll be introduced to a

Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread David Holloway
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ugen Antsilevitch writes: Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: "Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO" wrote: only one :-) performance :-) context switch is a slow operation. Thanks, emax Excuse me gentleman, who said that ? Take time to visit this site:

Re: Mirror requirements

2000-04-07 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
rohrbach@filepile:/ftp/.vol/vol1$ du -sk FreeBSD 22975903FreeBSD rohrbach@filepile:/ftp/.vol/vol1$ date Sat Apr 8 01:17:30 CEST 2000 ...eek! /k Jesper Skriver([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 05:11:43PM +0200: On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 09:42:42AM -0500, Patrick Gardella wrote:

lockd-0.2 released!

2000-04-07 Thread David E. Cross
I apologize profusely for the delay of this, but lockd-0.2 is out. The URL is: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~crossd/FreeBSD/lockd-0.2.tar.gz A couple of notes on this release: 1) the statd hooks to lockd are not yet done (or started) 2) you need a patched libc (for XDR64 types). I have included the

Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Patryk Zadarnowski
"Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO" wrote: only one :-) performance :-) context switch is a slow operation. Thanks, emax Excuse me gentleman, who said that ? Take time to visit this site: http://www.qnx.com/iat/download/index.html You'll be introduced to a hard-real time OS (with a

Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ?

2000-04-07 Thread Wes Peters
David Holloway wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ugen Antsilevitch writes: Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: QNX is great and all the power to it. This is FreeBSD and it is unix and BSD and as such it is what it is. If it would take a QNX approach then it would not be FreeBSD but something