Re: Google SoC idea

2005-06-08 Thread Scott Long
Richard Coleman wrote: Scott Long wrote: /me jumps up and down and waves his hands The problem with journalling at the block layer is that you pretty much become forced to journal metadata and data, since the block layer really doesn't know the distinction, and definitely not in a

Re: Google SoC idea

2005-06-08 Thread Ivan Voras
Scott Long wrote: An alternate SoC project that would be very useful is block-level snapshots. I'm not sure if I'll be able to retain the filesystem snapshot functionality in UFS with journalling enabled, so moving to doing the snapshots in the block layer would be a good way to make up for

Re: Google SoC idea

2005-06-08 Thread Eric Anderson
Scott Long wrote: Richard Coleman wrote: Scott Long wrote: /me jumps up and down and waves his hands The problem with journalling at the block layer is that you pretty much become forced to journal metadata and data, since the block layer really doesn't know the distinction, and

Version 4.4 sick and dying

2005-06-08 Thread Sydney Hole Owen Huffaker
Hello, Wonder if you can give me a little advise. I don't have a background in freebsd. I maintained a Unix V5 system years ago and I have been called in to look at an installation that is ailing. This system is a 4.4 version that is acting as a web server. It has some web functionality on it

Re: Version 4.4 sick and dying

2005-06-08 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, Sydney Hole Owen Huffaker wrote: Wonder if you can give me a little advise. But not much more. I do have a copy of BSD 4.5 and 5.o from a FreeBSD Unleashed book by Michael Urban and Brian Tieman. I also have the absolute BSD by Michael Lucas. I would not touch them as they are

Re: Version 4.4 sick and dying

2005-06-08 Thread Eric Anderson
Sydney Hole Owen Huffaker wrote: Hello, Wonder if you can give me a little advise. [..snip..] I am going to try this tomorrow morning and wondered if you might have some good advise. I do have a copy of BSD 4.5 and 5.o from a FreeBSD Unleashed book by Michael Urban and Brian Tieman. I also

Re: Google SoC idea

2005-06-08 Thread Scott Long
Eric Anderson wrote: Scott Long wrote: Richard Coleman wrote: Scott Long wrote: /me jumps up and down and waves his hands The problem with journalling at the block layer is that you pretty much become forced to journal metadata and data, since the block layer really doesn't know the

Re: Google SoC idea

2005-06-08 Thread Scott Long
Ivan Voras wrote: Scott Long wrote: An alternate SoC project that would be very useful is block-level snapshots. I'm not sure if I'll be able to retain the filesystem snapshot functionality in UFS with journalling enabled, so moving to doing the snapshots in the block layer would be a good

Re: Google SoC idea

2005-06-08 Thread Ivan Voras
Scott Long wrote: Again, I'm not exactly sure how a generic mechanism can handle the distinction of data vs. metadata vs. journal data. Also, what you I don't care about the distinction at this level - all data is treated equal :) ___

Re: Google SoC idea

2005-06-08 Thread Scott Long
Ivan Voras wrote: Scott Long wrote: Again, I'm not exactly sure how a generic mechanism can handle the distinction of data vs. metadata vs. journal data. Also, what you I don't care about the distinction at this level - all data is treated equal. But for journalling to work, you must

Re: Google SoC idea

2005-06-08 Thread Bruce R. Montague
Scott Long wrote: Again, I'm not exactly sure how a generic mechanism can handle the distinction of data vs. metadata vs. journal data. Also, what you Ivan Voras wrote: I don't care about the distinction at this level - all data is treated equal. Scott Long wrote: But for

debugging with Qemu

2005-06-08 Thread Igor Shmukler
Hello, We have tried to use qemu for debugging of kernel-level code the same way we used bochs in past. The qemu whether with or without kqemu is quite fast for our needs. The gdb connects to guest just fine, however breakpoints break things and qemu stops working. Our guest OS is FreeBSD

Re: Google SoC idea

2005-06-08 Thread Stephan Uphoff
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 16:52, Scott Long wrote: David Malone wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 09:40:05PM +0200, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: + Does it make sense to do it this way? Is it worth applying for the SoC? Not sure. Basically this is simlar what softupdate does, I think. From

freebsd 5.4 on HP DL 385

2005-06-08 Thread Sergey Lyubka
Hi hackers, I have got an HP DL 385 dual opteron system, with 2 on-board broadcom network cards. If I use more NICs, I have to have ACPI turned on. But if the ACPI is turned on, kernel does not boot, this is an error message: panic: npx: can't get ports Does anybody knows a solution for that ?

Re: Google SoC idea

2005-06-08 Thread Ivan Voras
Stephan Uphoff wrote: In my opinion the original proposal described a non volatile write cache using dedicated cache disks. Yes, I think that best describes what I have in mind. Here's the proposal that went to Google yesterday: http://geri.cc.fer.hr/~ivoras/proposal.pdf

Re: Version 4.4 sick and dying

2005-06-08 Thread Julian Elischer
where (physically) are you? It is possible there is someone nearby that can help you.. Sydney Hole Owen Huffaker wrote: Hello, Wonder if you can give me a little advise. [...] Regards, Owen ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing

Re: debugging with Qemu

2005-06-08 Thread Bakul Shah
Hmm... I've used qemu a bit to debug the kernel. Even used it to debug a loadable module. Here is what I did: # qemu -s img # cd path to where the kernel was built on the host # gdb kernel.debug (gdb) target remote localhost:1234 ... (gdb) l kldload 739 /* 740 * MPSAFE 741 */ 742

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: debugging with Qemu

2005-06-08 Thread Bakul Shah
I am using kqemu and qemu built from May 2 snapshot if that matters. This was a stock 5.4-RELEASE complied locallly with makeoptionsDEBUG=-g added the kernel config file. The host was also running 5.4 but that should not matter. Ugh... Should've done a diff with GENERIC

Bootable CDROM creation system

2005-06-08 Thread Chad David
My company built a tool a few years back for creating a bootable cdrom based on a running host FreeBSD 3/4 system, which promptly got shelved and forgotten.I recently had to update it for FreeBSD 5 and thought that perhaps the community at large could make use it before it gets forgotten again.

Re: Version 4.4 sick and dying

2005-06-08 Thread John Von Essen
If I understand your email correctly, you were able to get all the files tar'd up from the original system. And you put those tar's on a second hard drive that you mounted in the dying system, then a day later, the primary boot drive died. So right now you have a non-bootable drive formated