Re: Using any network interface whatsoever

2006-04-09 Thread Matthew Seaman
Mike Meyer wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Daniel Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: So I doubt that the overwriting of an Ingres database really happened in Solaris, like some other poster described - unless the administrator fiddled with /etc/path_to_inst by hand (you are free to shoot in your own

Re: Using any network interface whatsoever

2006-04-09 Thread Bruce M Simpson
Mike, Tell me about it, I know exactly what you mean! On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 06:53:11PM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: My question about labels for ethernet devices wasn't meant to be rhetorical. Ethernet device names on Unix are pretty much worthless. They tell you basically nothing about which

Re: Using any network interface whatsoever

2006-04-09 Thread Ceri Davies
On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 05:42:13PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: Ceri Davies wrote: On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 08:34:30AM -0600, Scott Long wrote: On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 11:53:42PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: For the filesystem I can use geom_label and /dev/ufs/UnlikelyString, but I'd also

Re: RFC: Adding a ``user'' mount option

2006-04-09 Thread Artem Ignatiev
On 08.04.2006, at 5:04, Jeremy Baggs wrote: I suppose it would be nice to have something that works out of the box, but the solution I have been using is group permissions on the devices and then making the mount point in fstab relative instead of absolute. ie: /dev/cd0 cdrom

Re: Using any network interface whatsoever

2006-04-09 Thread M. Warner Losh
eth0 works well for the degenerate case where there's a network card in the system, and nothing else. It works less well for systmes where there are more than one card, and where the hardware changes a lot for all the reasons discussed in this thread. It is too generic. Of course, when you have

Re: Call for FreeBSD Status Reports

2006-04-09 Thread Max Laier
On Thursday 30 March 2006 02:36, Brad Davis wrote: Hi All, It is time for the quarterly Status Reports. As always, reports are encouraged for anything that relates to FreeBSD development, documentation, independent projects, or anything else that might be interesting to the community as a

Re: Using any network interface whatsoever (solution?)

2006-04-09 Thread Mike Meyer
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Pilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Mike Meyer wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Pilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: [Tying names to MAC addresses.] That's far better than trying to remember what's on em0. That's certainly true. But is there an advantage to

Re: Using any network interface whatsoever

2006-04-09 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Sun, 2006-Apr-09 09:58:19 -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: I've actually run into all of these problems on a machine we have at work that acts as a gateway to about 10-20 private networks. It has had between 2-4 dual cards and 2-4 quad cards, in various mix and match flavors over the years. We

Re: Re: Using any network interface whatsoever

2006-04-09 Thread Sergey Babkin
From: Mike Meyer In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Youre' saying that instead of /dev/da0, we should have /dev/HITACHI-HUS103073FL3800-SA19-B0T1L0 That's a ridiculous extreme. All I advocated was that we be able to easily identify the devices connected to the system,

Re: Using any network interface whatsoever (solution?)

2006-04-09 Thread Darren Pilgrim
Mike Meyer wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Pilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: You could test two different drivers on the same hardware and you wouldn't have to duplicate or modify your ifconfig lines in /etc/rc.conf, just run: Yup, and this is an advantage. On the other hand, if you tie

Re: Re: Using any network interface whatsoever (solution?)

2006-04-09 Thread Sergey Babkin
From: Mike Meyer In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Pilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: That's far better than trying to remember what's on em0. That's certainly true. But is there an advantage to tieing the PublicLAN name to a MAC address as opposed to em0? You could test two different drivers

What's in a (device) name?

2006-04-09 Thread Mike Meyer
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sergey Babkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: I think this is a problem consisting of multiple parts: 1. Identify physical devices and be able to access them. 2. Identify some stable logical names by device type, that stay fixed when the configuration changes. 3. Be able

UFS extended attributes

2006-04-09 Thread Duane Whitty
Hi, Started doing a little reading on the UFS and UFS2 file systems. I'm just wondering if all types of files have extended attribute blocks available including named pipes, sockets, and device files? Is it still the case that there are three unused extended attribute blocks available?

Re: Using any network interface whatsoever

2006-04-09 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce M Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : What it really comes down to is that one needs a PCI variant which supports : what's known as 'geographical addressing', and for FreeBSD's device / ifnet : framework to support naming cards according to the

Re: Using any network interface whatsoever (solution?)

2006-04-09 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Of course, this doesn't help the OP's problem of wanting to be able to : address the sole interface in a system without knowing it's name in : advance. Maybe a feature to provide a default name for an interface if :

Re: Using any network interface whatsoever (solution?)

2006-04-09 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Darren Pilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Mike Meyer wrote: : In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Pilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: : You could test two different drivers on the same hardware and you wouldn't : have to duplicate or modify your ifconfig lines

Re: What's in a (device) name?

2006-04-09 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : The major problem with it is that todays bus architectures don't have : stable device addresses. Instead of devices having a fixed address on : the bus that the user sets, the addresses are assigned as the devices :

Re: Using any network interface whatsoever (solution?)

2006-04-09 Thread Darren Pilgrim
M. Warner Losh wrote: The device subsystem already exports a bus-dependent plug and play position. No need to make it specific to USB/PCI/whatever. Where is this information found? I can't find anything obvious that wouldn't change if you inserted a bus in the middle of the probe order.

Re: Using any network interface whatsoever (solution?)

2006-04-09 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Darren Pilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : M. Warner Losh wrote: : : The device subsystem already exports a bus-dependent plug and play : position. No need to make it specific to USB/PCI/whatever. : : Where is this information found? I can't find

Re: What's in a (device) name?

2006-04-09 Thread Mike Meyer
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : The major problem with it is that todays bus architectures don't have : stable device addresses. Instead of devices having a fixed address on : the