On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote:
On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Super Bisquit wrote:
And what if I need to boot into single user mode?
I'll forgive the top-post, and I'll even forgive that you missed the below
NOTE: The final release will have a
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:48:03PM -0700, Devin Teske wrote:
Hi fellow hackers,
I'm designing an open-sourced replacement boot-loader for FreeBSD. I feel
that the existing options in the boot-loader menu today can be whittled down
significantly with a stateful menu system rather than a
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Paul Schenkeveld free...@psconsult.nl wrote:
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:48:03PM -0700, Devin Teske wrote:
Hi fellow hackers,
I'm designing an open-sourced replacement boot-loader for FreeBSD. I feel
that the existing options in the boot-loader menu today can
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:07:30 +0200
Stefan Farfeleder ste...@fafoe.narf.at wrote:
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 08:36:57AM +1300, Andrew Turner wrote:
Along with this WCHAR_MIN and WCHAR_MAX are defined both in
wchar.h and machine/_stdint.h. I would like to remove the copy
from wchar.h and add an
On Sun Mar 27 11, Warner Losh wrote:
On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:48 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
Replacement Boot-Loader: twitpic.com/4e46ol
NOTE: The final release will have a single-user mode option.
This looks really cool. Nice to see a fresh look for the boot loader...
sorry if we
Quoting Jesse Smith jessefrgsm...@yahoo.ca (from Sun, 27 Mar 2011
17:29:20 -0300):
Thanks very much for the reply. I had thought this was a project/port
that was in progress, rather than something waiting on research. Do you
know if that's also the case with other projects on the Ideas list?
on 28/03/2011 14:08 Alexander Best said the following:
sorry if we have different opinions on this matter, but i don't quite see
the fresh look.
imo a modern boot loader looks like this
http://www.dailycupoftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/ubuntu01.png
or this
Would also be cool to have an option to boot something else (like e.g.
memtest86). Maybe a special directory with loadable binaries and a special menu
entry to select one of them.
Probably even better to have a mechanism for pluggable menu entries like a
special
directory that would have .4th
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:38:29PM -0400, Ed Maste wrote:
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 03:27:32PM -0700, David Wolfskill wrote:
There are other ways to do it, of course -- e.g., the first time the
utility is run, it could actually ask, but then cache the information in
some place so it could
On Monday, March 28, 2011 12:48:03 am Devin Teske wrote:
Hi fellow hackers,
I'm designing an open-sourced replacement boot-loader for FreeBSD. I feel
that the existing options in the boot-loader menu today can be whittled down
significantly with a stateful menu system rather than a
On Mar 28, 2011, at 5:08 AM, Alexander Best wrote:
On Sun Mar 27 11, Warner Losh wrote:
On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:48 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
Replacement Boot-Loader: twitpic.com/4e46ol
NOTE: The final release will have a single-user mode option.
This looks really cool. Nice to see
On Mar 28, 2011, at 7:03 AM, John Baldwin wrote:
On Monday, March 28, 2011 12:48:03 am Devin Teske wrote:
Hi fellow hackers,
I'm designing an open-sourced replacement boot-loader for FreeBSD. I feel
that the existing options in the boot-loader menu today can be whittled down
significantly
On 3/28/11 6:48 AM, Devin Teske wrote:
Hi fellow hackers,
I'm designing an open-sourced replacement boot-loader for FreeBSD. I feel
that the existing options in the boot-loader menu today can be whittled down
significantly with a stateful menu system rather than a single-action item
on 25/03/2011 12:11 Baptiste Daroussin said the following:
Hi all,
miwi@ launched the new thing called Experimental Call For Testing,
it's our turn :)
Julien Laffaye (jlaffaye@) and I, helped by Philippe Pepiot (huge
contributor) have been working since the end of the last GSoC on a
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From: owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Andriy Gapon
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:00 AM
To: Alexander Best
Cc: FreeBSD Hackers
Subject: Re: New Boot-Loader
Please note that graphical loaders are not very serial
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Andriy Gapon a...@freebsd.org wrote:
on 25/03/2011 12:11 Baptiste Daroussin said the following:
Hi all,
miwi@ launched the new thing called Experimental Call For Testing,
it's our turn :)
Julien Laffaye (jlaffaye@) and I, helped by Philippe Pepiot (huge
And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime
was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink,
I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it
could impose some unintended requirements on some of the start-up
scripts.
I have been
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:57 AM, dieter...@engineer.com wrote:
And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime
was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink,
I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it
could impose some unintended
Please note that graphical loaders are not very serial console
friendly ;-)
Yes! Real computers have RS-232 consoles. And please stick with
plain ASCII text. The current bootloader is at best ugly and at
worst unusable on some terminals. AFAIK the bootloader doesn't have
termcap/terminfo
The discussion of a new bootloader reminded me of the
following problem:
What we need more than a new bootloader is a new bootstrap.
With MBR, NetBSD's boot selector MBR works reasonably well.
(About as well as can be expected given the limited space available.)
You get a menu of partitions
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Garrett Cooper gcoo...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Andriy Gapon a...@freebsd.org wrote:
on 25/03/2011 12:11 Baptiste Daroussin said the following:
Hi all,
miwi@ launched the new thing called Experimental Call For Testing,
it's our
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 28, 2011, at 10:57 AM, dieter...@engineer.com wrote:
And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime
was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink,
I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it
could impose
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Garrett Cooper gcoo...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:57 AM, dieter...@engineer.com wrote:
And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime
was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink,
I believe that
2011/3/28 dieter...@engineer.com:
And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime
was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink,
I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it
could impose some unintended requirements on some of the
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:10:42AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:57 AM, dieter...@engineer.com wrote:
I have been running FreeBSD and NetBSD with /etc/localtime being
a symlink for years and have not seen any problems as a result.
+1. Many Linux distros do the
Now, how are you going to multiboot OpenBSD and NetBSD on a PowerPC machine
from the same hard disk. From what I know, one or the other can only be as
the first entry and it then has to be set from the forth prompt.
So, you will need two disks to boot , saya: OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, Linux,
and
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 02:22:01PM -0400, Maxim Khitrov thus spake:
Same here, though I'd be happy to change this habit if mergemaster
handled the updates for me.
This would be a good solution for source updates, but how would this work
for binary upgrades via freebsd-update, as mergemaster is
Go through the mailing lists. You can only boot 64bit on 64bit and 32bit on
32bit for FreeBSD. Debian needs to boot a 64bit kernel for 64bit machines.
I made the reply because that is similar to the BTX bootloader.
Let Baptiste get a powerpc machine and try using that bootloader, it won't
work.
On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 11:48 -0700, Jason Helfman wrote:
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 02:22:01PM -0400, Maxim Khitrov thus spake:
Same here, though I'd be happy to change this habit if mergemaster
handled the updates for me.
This would be a good solution for source updates, but how would this
Am 28.03.2011 19:57, schrieb dieter...@engineer.com:
And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime
was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink,
I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it
could impose some unintended
And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime
was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a
symlink,
I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it
could impose some unintended requirements on some of the start-up
scripts.
I have been
Now, how are you going to multiboot OpenBSD and NetBSD on a PowerPC
machine
from the same hard disk.
I didn't say anything about a requirement for booting multiple OSes
from the same disk. I said:
Go through all the disks and look
for bootable partitions. Extract the GPT partition labels
On 03/27/2011 18:38, Ed Maste wrote:
That's what tzsetup does in HEAD - the name of the selected timezone file
is stored in /var/db/zoneinfo, and tzsetup -r can be used to copy in an
updated file:
-r Reinstall the zoneinfo file installed last time. The
name is obtained from
On 2011-Mar-27 20:54:18 +0100, Robert Watson rwat...@freebsd.org wrote:
part of rc.d. I'd also investigate large applications like Firefox, Chrome,
KDE, Gnome, etc. KDE already integrates prebinding tricks in its design, but
I don't think the others do.
Improving startup time for large,
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 4:59 PM, dieter...@engineer.com wrote:
Now, how are you going to multiboot OpenBSD and NetBSD on a PowerPC
machine
from the same hard disk.
I didn't say anything about a requirement for booting multiple OSes
from the same disk. I said:
Go through all the disks
I'm starting a new thread since while the previous one contained a lot
of good information it was starting to get a big fragmented, and as
someone pointed out mergemaster is not a general solution so I want to
focus on the area that I'm actually responsible for. :)
Having read everything in
hi there,
how hard would it be to change the *.mk code so the following semantics apply:
- make.conf(5) == applies system-wide
- src.conf(5) == applies only to /usr/src
right now certain settings will not be picked up from src.conf(5), like CC or
CXX. it seems src.conf(5)'s puspose atm is
On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 16:52 -0400, dieter...@engineer.com wrote:
And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime
was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a
symlink,
I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it
could impose some
On 03/28/11 15:59, dieter...@engineer.com wrote:
From what I know, one or the other can only be as
the first entry and it then has to be set from the forth prompt.
So, you will need two disks to boot , saya: OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD,
Linux,
and MacOSX or a combination of these.
On PPC
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Alexander Best arun...@freebsd.org wrote:
how hard would it be to change the *.mk code so the following semantics apply:
- make.conf(5) == applies system-wide
- src.conf(5) == applies only to /usr/src
What would be really nice would be taking it to its logical
On Mon Mar 28 11, Freddie Cash wrote:
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Alexander Best arun...@freebsd.org wrote:
how hard would it be to change the *.mk code so the following semantics
apply:
- make.conf(5) == applies system-wide
- src.conf(5) == applies only to /usr/src
What would
2011/3/29 Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com:
On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 16:52 -0400, dieter...@engineer.com wrote:
And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime
was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a
symlink,
I believe that approach could be problematic for
2011/3/28 Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org:
I'm starting a new thread since while the previous one contained a lot of
good information it was starting to get a big fragmented, and as someone
pointed out mergemaster is not a general solution so I want to focus on the
area that I'm actually
On 03/28/2011 15:38, Olivier Smedts wrote:
2011/3/28 Doug Bartondo...@freebsd.org:
I'm starting a new thread since while the previous one contained a lot of
good information it was starting to get a big fragmented, and as someone
pointed out mergemaster is not a general solution so I want to
On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 00:51 +0200, Olivier Smedts wrote:
2011/3/29 Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com:
On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 16:52 -0400, dieter...@engineer.com wrote:
And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime
was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as
On 03/28/2011 16:22, Devin Teske wrote:
In which case, I can jump up and down for joy and tell my boss that it's
once-again kosher to set /etc/localtime as a symbolic link.
It has always been true that the only safe way to make /etc/localtime
a symlink is to have / and /usr on the same
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011, Julien Laffaye wrote:
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Garrett Cooper gcoo...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Andriy Gapon a...@freebsd.org wrote:
II. Package signing.
That would be really nice.
Right know we only planned to sign the repo
II. Package signing.
That would be really nice.
Right know we only planned to sign the repo database, so we can trust
the sah256 of the packages stored in the database. Then if the package
has the same sha256 as the one in the repo database it is considered
trusted.
If we want a
Hello Doug,
I think it got lost in the busy/dark part of my life last year.
Feel free to do it, the code is not spectacular or dramatic.
If not done when I go home I will do it tonight on my way back from
work.
Edwin
-- Edwin Groothuis ed...@mavetju.org
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From:
2011/3/29 Tim Kientzle kient...@freebsd.org:
II. Package signing.
That would be really nice.
Right know we only planned to sign the repo database, so we can trust
the sah256 of the packages stored in the database. Then if the package
has the same sha256 as the one in the repo database it is
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