On Tuesday, 25 May 2010 at 16:16:10 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
If you must kick groff out, why not port plan9 troff which
now does unicode, has 27 macro packages including ms, weighs
in at about 10K lines of C code written by Joe Ossanna, Brian
Kernighan, Ken Thompson, Jaap Akkerhuis others,
On Wed, 26 May 2010 16:54:35 +1000 Greg 'groggy' Lehey g...@freebsd.org
wrote:
On Tuesday, 25 May 2010 at 16:16:10 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
If you must kick groff out, why not port plan9 troff which
now does unicode, has 27 macro packages including ms, weighs
in at about 10K lines of C
I'll be working on replacing groff with mdocml (mandoc) in the system base
No. Do not remove groff or associated tools from /usr/src !
Roff has been in Unix /usr/src since '77 or earlier.
A lot of people use tools from that descendancy as production tools.
However if you just mean
I'll
Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de wrote:
The use of (g)roff for anything but man pages is practically non-existent.
False. Its a production tool used here.
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On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 05:06:58PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de wrote:
The use of (g)roff for anything but man pages is practically non-existent.
False. Its a production tool used here.
http://berklix.com./associates/
No. Do not remove groff or associated tools from /usr/src !
Roff has been in Unix /usr/src since '77 or earlier.
A lot of people use tools from that descendancy as production tools.
So? If it isn't a very commonly used tool and isn't necessary for 99%
of cases I don't seem the harm of removing
Re. half baked proposal to delete groff:
If you want to play, play with Linux, which has no tradition of
what to expect. BSD by contrast is real Unix, those who've been
in Unix business a few decades you know what real Unix is. More
than just the toolchain to support make world. Look at Bell
On 5/25/10 8:33 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
No. Do not remove groff or associated tools from /usr/src !
Roff has been in Unix /usr/src since '77 or earlier.
A lot of people use tools from that descendancy as production tools.
So? If it isn't a very commonly used tool and isn't necessary for 99%
of
On 5/25/2010 9:52 AM, Julian Elischer wrote:
On 5/25/10 8:33 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
No. Do not remove groff or associated tools from /usr/src !
Roff has been in Unix /usr/src since '77 or earlier.
A lot of people use tools from that descendancy as production tools.
So? If it isn't a very
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Matthew Jacob m...@feral.com wrote:
On 5/25/2010 9:52 AM, Julian Elischer wrote:
On 5/25/10 8:33 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
No. Do not remove groff or associated tools from /usr/src !
Roff has been in Unix /usr/src since '77 or earlier.
A lot of people use tools
On Monday, 24 May 2010 at 21:17:01 +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote:
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:13:07PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote:
Is the thinking that groff has only been in base to support manpages?
If so, this project makes sense. But even so, some clarification of the
intent is needed.
On Monday, 24 May 2010 at 22:43:37 +0300, Kostik Belousov wrote:
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 09:17:01PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote:
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:13:07PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote:
I welcome this change, but groff is used for much more than manpages.
What happens to pic, tbl,
On Wednesday, 26 May 2010 at 1:21:20 +0300, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 5/25/2010 9:52 AM, Julian Elischer wrote:
BSD has always been ab;e to produce it's documentation as part of its
build
Please keep this true.
This is what mdocml will be for. I never advocated removing the
utilities
On 26/05/10 10:21, Eitan Adler wrote:
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Matthew Jacobm...@feral.com wrote:
On 5/25/2010 9:52 AM, Julian Elischer wrote:
On 5/25/10 8:33 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
No. Do not remove groff or associated tools from /usr/src !
Roff has been in Unix /usr/src since '77
On Wed, 26 May 2010 01:21:20 +0300 Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Matthew Jacob m...@feral.com wrote:
On 5/25/2010 9:52 AM, Julian Elischer wrote:
On 5/25/10 8:33 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
No. Do not remove groff or associated tools from /usr/src
I'll be working on replacing groff with mdocml (mandoc) in the system base
(and yes, I am aware of Gordon's work on a man
replacementhttp://people.freebsd.org/%7Egordon/man.sh).
In addition, I will be creating or (more likely) porting BSD-ish licensed
feature-complete replacements for: diff, sort,
On Mon, 24.05.2010 at 00:08:30 -0700, Ben Fiedler wrote:
I'll be working on replacing groff with mdocml (mandoc) in the system base
(and yes, I am aware of Gordon's work on a man
replacementhttp://people.freebsd.org/%7Egordon/man.sh).
In addition, I will be creating or (more likely) porting
On Mon 24 May 2010 at 00:08:30 PDT Ben Fiedler wrote:
I'll be working on replacing groff with mdocml (mandoc) in the system base
(and yes, I am aware of Gordon's work on a man
replacementhttp://people.freebsd.org/%7Egordon/man.sh).
In addition, I will be creating or (more likely) porting BSD-ish
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:13:07PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote:
I welcome this change, but groff is used for much more than manpages.
What happens to pic, tbl, and the other troff-related little
languages? How can you say mdocml is completely replacing groff if
it doesn't support those kinds
On Mon 24 May 2010 at 12:17:01 PDT Joerg Sonnenberger wrote:
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:13:07PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote:
I welcome this change, but groff is used for much more than manpages.
What happens to pic, tbl, and the other troff-related little
languages? How can you say mdocml is
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 09:17:01PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote:
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:13:07PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote:
I welcome this change, but groff is used for much more than manpages.
What happens to pic, tbl, and the other troff-related little
languages? How can you say
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:43:37PM +0300, Kostik Belousov wrote:
Would it support ps/dvi output ?
Postscript output is the major goal of a GSoC project.
Joerg
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