Re: My views on Eclipse/BSD

2000-02-12 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Peter Wemm wrote: One key thing to keep in mind is that copyrights apply automatically regardless of age, contracts etc. You have no right to copy a copyrighted work unless the right to do so is given to you (or you have statutory rights such as making backups etc). In this case, you

Re: My views on Eclipse/BSD

2000-02-12 Thread Peter Wemm
"Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: Peter Wemm wrote: One key thing to keep in mind is that copyrights apply automatically regardless of age, contracts etc. You have no right to copy a copyrighted work unless the right to do so is given to you (or you have statutory rights such as making

Re: My views on Eclipse/BSD

2000-02-11 Thread Wes Peters
"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: Since everyone seems to be jumping up and down on this, I thought I'd just chime in with my two cents on the matter. None of that requires Lucent to be any more "open" than they currently are with the licensing of Eclipse and we really ought to be thanking them

Re: My views on Eclipse/BSD

2000-02-11 Thread Ed Hall
I'm quite pleased with what we, as individuals, will be able to learn about Eclipse, and the terms of the license don't interfere with that one bit. But--and this is my *only* objection to the license terms--we each are prohibited from discussing what we discover, absent Lucent's written

Re: My views on Eclipse/BSD

2000-02-11 Thread Laurence Berland
Most licenses aren't all that enforceable. I was speaking with a lawyer friend who theorized that if the person accepting the license was under 18 (in the US at least) then they could do whatever they want with it. Solution? Have someone download it for you...I'm only 17, anybody want

RE: My views on Eclipse/BSD

2000-02-11 Thread Colin
As one of the masses that could probably be accused of "whining" about the conditions that eclipse was released under, I figure I better say a little more. I think what Lucent has done here is "a good thing" ;) At the very least it gives us a benchmark to work against. At the best, it

Re: My views on Eclipse/BSD

2000-02-11 Thread Laurence Berland
Well the idea is that someone under 18 in the US can't legally be party to a contract, so the contract becomes null and void even if I agree to it. There's lots of legal precedent on this. It may not be this way in other countries (I take it Australia is different). So if we get stuck with

Re: My views on Eclipse/BSD

2000-02-11 Thread Peter Wemm
One key thing to keep in mind is that copyrights apply automatically regardless of age, contracts etc. You have no right to copy a copyrighted work unless the right to do so is given to you (or you have statutory rights such as making backups etc). In this case, you don't have the right to

My views on Eclipse/BSD

2000-02-10 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Since everyone seems to be jumping up and down on this, I thought I'd just chime in with my two cents on the matter. I saw the Lucent folks behind this when they first brought a demo of Eclipse to FreeBSDCon '99 and, frankly, I was just pleased that they were willing to show up as exhibitors and