Re: Kernel Configuration script [was Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?]

2004-07-30 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On 29-Jul-2004 William Kirkland wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:39:31PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Just musing on an idea here: I've been thinking for a while now about trying to write a tool to make kernel configuration easier, sort of a make config (as in ports) for the kernel,

Kernel Configuration script [was Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?]

2004-07-29 Thread William Kirkland
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:39:31PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Just musing on an idea here: I've been thinking for a while now about trying to write a tool to make kernel configuration easier, sort of a make config (as in ports) for the kernel, similar to what's available on some of the

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-25 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Allan Fields [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : On Sat, Jul 24, 2004 at 04:21:10PM -0700, Jake Hamby wrote: : M. Warner Losh wrote: : : What's wrong with adding: : : makeoptions MODULES_OVERRIDE=a b c : to your config file? It is already supported. : :

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-24 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jake Hamby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: : On 21-Jul-2004 Devon H. O'Dell wrote: : : : I'm sure this will become another bikeshed, so I suggest whoever came : up with the idea to put up or shut up. People are interested in :

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-24 Thread Jake Hamby
M. Warner Losh wrote: What's wrong with adding: makeoptions MODULES_OVERRIDE=a b c to your config file? It is already supported. Nothing, I just didn't know about it! Thanks to all who replied with the answer... -Jake ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-24 Thread Allan Fields
On Sat, Jul 24, 2004 at 04:21:10PM -0700, Jake Hamby wrote: M. Warner Losh wrote: What's wrong with adding: makeoptions MODULES_OVERRIDE=a b c to your config file? It is already supported. Though, I've used this before to good effect (on slow crash-box): There's no mention to specify

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-23 Thread Jake Hamby
Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: On 21-Jul-2004 Devon H. O'Dell wrote: I'm sure this will become another bikeshed, so I suggest whoever came up with the idea to put up or shut up. People are interested in solutions, not suggestions. Agreed. And the original proponent of the idea was me. I just wanted

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-23 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Fri, 2004-Jul-23 20:50:01 -0700, Jake Hamby wrote: My biggest annoyance with building the kernel, compared to Linux, is that it insists on building all of the possible kernel modules, even though I only want to build the ones that make sense for my hardware. I think you want the following:

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-22 Thread Avleen Vig
On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 02:52:07PM +0200, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: I wholly disagree. I think using an excuse ``people will let everything else do the work for them and nobody will ever learn'' to discourage the development of automation tools is very poor. Try applying that argument to any

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-22 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On 21-Jul-2004 M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murray Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : As an initial starting point for 'preloading' any menubased kernel : configurator, could the file /var/run/dmesg.boot be usefully parsed : as : a list of 'this is what is

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-22 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On 21-Jul-2004 Devon H. O'Dell wrote: I'm sure this will become another bikeshed, so I suggest whoever came up with the idea to put up or shut up. People are interested in solutions, not suggestions. Agreed. And the original proponent of the idea was me. I just wanted to see if there was

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-22 Thread Nicolas BĂ©rard Nault
You confuse automation, with simplification. Automation tools are good for frequently re-run tasks. How often do you recompile your kernel? exactly. In my opinion, the least we could do is have it as a port/package. For the make check dependencies, that could be a great idea to commit

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-22 Thread Murray Taylor
major:minor numbers and the rules / options pertaining thereto, - and finally how to return data and driver status. Fun. mjt On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 06:41, Bruce R. Montague wrote: Hi, re, Next Generation kernel configuration: Years ago I had a job for a few years where I constantly

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-22 Thread soralx
The debate here is automation vs. simplification. Why we shouldn't simplificate the kernel compile ? Because our user base's average IQ will be lower ? We're not suggesting to have KDE installed by default here. Users would still to have to type the commands to compile the kernel by hand and

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-22 Thread Chris Pressey
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:39:31 -0500 (CDT) Conrad J. Sabatier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just musing on an idea here: I've been thinking for a while now about trying to write a tool to make kernel configuration easier, sort of a make config (as in ports) for the kernel, similar to what's

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-22 Thread Bruce R. Montague
Hi, re rule-based configuration Chris Pressey noted: That's the easy part. The hard part is discovering the dependencies. My impression is that almost all rule-based expert systems of sufficient complexity that deal with a dynamic field have failed because of this, that is, due to the

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-21 Thread Murray Taylor
On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 11:53, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: On 21-Jul-2004 Max Laier wrote: On Wednesday 21 July 2004 03:03, Brooks Davis wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:39:31PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: [snip] A dependable tool offering a menu-driven means of configuring the

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-21 Thread Avleen Vig
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:39:31PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Just musing on an idea here: I've been thinking for a while now about trying to write a tool to make kernel configuration easier, sort of a make config (as in ports) for the kernel, similar to what's available on some of the

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-21 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
Avleen Vig wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:39:31PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Just musing on an idea here: I've been thinking for a while now about trying to write a tool to make kernel configuration easier, sort of a make config (as in ports) for the kernel, similar to what's available on

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-21 Thread Andrew Konstantinov
On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 05:43:45AM -0700, Avleen Vig wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:39:31PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Just musing on an idea here: I've been thinking for a while now about trying to write a tool to make kernel configuration easier, sort of a make config (as in

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-21 Thread Anish Mistry
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 21 July 2004 01:00 pm, Andrew Konstantinov wrote: On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 05:43:45AM -0700, Avleen Vig wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:39:31PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Just musing on an idea here: I've been thinking

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-21 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murray Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : As an initial starting point for 'preloading' any menubased kernel : configurator, could the file /var/run/dmesg.boot be usefully parsed as : a list of 'this is what is actually installed in this box, what else do

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-21 Thread Bruce R. Montague
Hi, re, Next Generation kernel configuration: Years ago I had a job for a few years where I constantly built RSX-11 systems on PDP-11s. RSX-11 was always built from source and had a couple of hundred build-time options, many hardware build dependencies, and supported numerous other dynamic

Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-20 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
Just musing on an idea here: I've been thinking for a while now about trying to write a tool to make kernel configuration easier, sort of a make config (as in ports) for the kernel, similar to what's available on some of the Linux distros. Ideally, such a tool would be capable of automatically

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-20 Thread Brooks Davis
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:39:31PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Just musing on an idea here: I've been thinking for a while now about trying to write a tool to make kernel configuration easier, sort of a make config (as in ports) for the kernel, similar to what's available on some of the

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-20 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On 21-Jul-2004 Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: [snip] Has this ever come up for discussion before? Now that we have rcNG, with its explicit declarations of dependencies, has any thought been given to doing something similar with kernel configuration files? Something still human-readable, yet

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-20 Thread Max Laier
On Wednesday 21 July 2004 03:03, Brooks Davis wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:39:31PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Just musing on an idea here: I've been thinking for a while now about trying to write a tool to make kernel configuration easier, sort of a make config (as in ports)

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-20 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On 21-Jul-2004 Brooks Davis wrote: You can have my simple flat file kernel config when you pry it from my cold, dead hands and I know a number of other develoeprs share this viewpoint. All my experiences with the linux visual kernel config tool have been annoying and I've got friends with

Re: Next Generation kernel configuration?

2004-07-20 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On 21-Jul-2004 Max Laier wrote: On Wednesday 21 July 2004 03:03, Brooks Davis wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:39:31PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: [snip] A dependable tool offering a menu-driven means of configuring the kernel, ensuring proper config file syntax, dependency handling,