Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-11-06 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Bernd Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In short: The data is tranfered into the kernel and dropped there. The data is never transferred into the kernel. There is no copyin() or uiomove() there. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-11-01 Thread Bernd Walter
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:02:59PM -0600, Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null That's what manpages are for - see null(4). If you want it more specific src/sys/dev/null.c says: [...] static int null_write(dev_t dev, struct uio *uio, int

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-11-01 Thread Bernd Walter
On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 08:29:39PM +, lg wrote: In short: The data is tranfered into the kernel and dropped there. my source /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/mem.c [FreeBSD-4.3-RELEASE] says that data doesnt transfered into kernel. I was looking into -current. Null and *random have been seprarated

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-11-01 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Nicpon, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null It goes into a special data sink in the CPU where it is converted to heat which is vented through the heatsink / fan assembly. This is why CPU cooling is increasingly important; as

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-11-01 Thread Bakul Shah
Answer 2. All the data goes into another dimension, and comes out of /dev/random. That would be so funny... I cat /dev/random, and I get your files, as you delete them. 8-). Of course you do, it is just that the bytes are in random order. But I see that you are thinking of /dev/null as

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Brian Reichert
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:02:59PM -0600, Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null How 'specific' are you trying to get? /dev/null is a pseudo-device to which writes never fail. What question are you _really_ trying to ask? -- Brian 'you

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Terry Lambert
Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null The bit bucket. You won't have to empty the one in your machine until the year 2038, which we assume someone will come up with a way of recyling the used bits by then (or just compressing them into bus

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Geoff Mohler
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Brian Reichert wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:02:59PM -0600, Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null How 'specific' are you trying to get? /dev/null is a pseudo-device to which writes never fail. What question

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Jim Bryant
Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null Without actually looking at the code, the generic definition of /dev/null goes something to the effect of: open /dev/null while(1) { select on /dev/null read byte from /dev/null

RE: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Nicpon, John
ethersWhere does data go when it dies?/ethers -Original Message- From: Brian Reichert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:08 PM To: Nicpon, John Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Unix Philosophers Please! On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:02:59PM -0600, Nicpon

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Jim Bryant
To: Nicpon, John Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Unix Philosophers Please! On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:02:59PM -0600, Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null How 'specific' are you trying to get? /dev/null is a pseudo-device to which writes

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Mathieu Arnold
Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null to the place where no data ever came back. -- Mathieu Arnold To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Louis A. Mamakos
Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null to the place where no data ever came back. ..on those blank tapes on which you should be backing up the data you do care about. ..to help fight the secret, hidden war against entropy. To

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Drew Eckhardt
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What question are you _really_ trying to ask? What is the sound of one hand clapping? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Josef Grosch
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:08:38PM -0700, Drew Eckhardt wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What question are you _really_ trying to ask? What is the sound of one hand clapping? If a bit falls into the bit bucket and signal is not raised does it make a sound?

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null Answer 1. Data is not like energy. There is no conservation of data law. So the data simply disappears. Answer 2. All the data goes into another dimension, and comes out of /dev/random. --

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Terry Lambert
Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Answer 2. All the data goes into another dimension, and comes out of /dev/random. That would be so funny... I cat /dev/random, and I get your files, as you delete them. 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:08:38PM -0700, Drew Eckhardt wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What question are you _really_ trying to ask? What is the sound of one hand clapping? Can this go to -chat please?? -- | / o / /_ _ email: [EMAIL

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Lamont Granquist
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null Answer 1. Data is not like energy. There is no conservation of data law. So the data simply disappears. Doesn't thermodynamics second law

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Jim Bryant
Lamont Granquist wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null Answer 1. Data is not like energy. There is no conservation of data law. So the data simply disappears. Doesn't

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 05:20:33PM -0800, Lamont Granquist wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null Answer 1. Data is not like energy. There is no conservation of data

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Chad Ziccardi
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Nicpon, John wrote: Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null To boldy go where no Data has returned from before? -- Chad Ziccardi, Professional Slacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go.

Re: Unix Philosophers Please!

2001-10-31 Thread Bakul Shah
Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null The same place where /dev/random gets its data from. Unless your computer is owned by gummint, in which case FBI gets it as you have to keep a copy of all output. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with