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Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:29:52AM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:41:11 -0700
Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 03:53:38PM +0300, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 01:07:44PM +0200, Danny Braniss wrote:
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:35:16PM +0200, Danny Braniss wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:42:49 -0700
Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:29:52AM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote:
On Fri, 10
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:35:16PM +0200, Danny Braniss wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:42:49 -0700
Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:29:52AM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:41:11 -0700
Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:35:16PM +0200, Danny Braniss wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:42:49 -0700
Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:29:52AM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:41:11 -0700
Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 03:53:38PM +0300, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
Mike Meyer wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:34:28 +0300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
These features are readily available right now on FreeBSD.
You don't have to code anything.
Well with 2
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:41:11 -0700
Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 03:53:38PM +0300, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
Mike Meyer wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:34:28 +0300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
These features are
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:29:52AM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:41:11 -0700
Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 03:53:38PM +0300, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
Mike Meyer wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:34:28 +0300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:51:26 +0300
Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The original question (which was lost) was if somebody who has technical
knowledge and coding skills who can put r1soft into the right track so
their software can support FreeBSD. Because r1soft is interested in
I just wanted to say thanks to all the replies to this thread. It has
been insightful even though the suggestions I have received were not
really answers to what I asked.
I dont see any reason why we should continue to argue about if this can
be done using ZFS or Hammer or any other
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:42:49 -0700
Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:29:52AM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:41:11 -0700
Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 03:53:38PM +0300, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
Mike
Evren Yurtesen wrote:
Shaun Amott wrote:
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:31:58AM +0300, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
so FreeBSD could be supported also. As you can imagine, it is not only
important that data can be restored when a box hardware failure etc. it
is
also important that
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
Oliver Fromme wrote:
However, ZFS does exist on FreeBSD, and I think it wouldn't
be impossible to add similar features to ZFS.
Possibly even as a ZFS module? This might be something better addressed at
the ZFS project level --- but the next question is:
Go here:
http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?28,197644,197644
There are a ton of ways to maintain mysql backups without having to
replay the entire log. Google some keywords.
With regards to solutions based on filesystem snapshots, such as partial
log replaying
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Matthew Dillon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
(ZFS has a way to do something similar but I do not know what the
various advantages or disadvantages of using the feature are).
The only current way to do this on ZFS is to snapshot (very cheap) and
stream
Quoting Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
These features are readily available right now on FreeBSD.
You don't have to code anything.
Well with 2 downsides,
The fact that I still would need to take full backups once in a while
if I do this and Linux users do not have to because the CDP
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:34:28 +0300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
These features are readily available right now on FreeBSD.
You don't have to code anything.
Well with 2 downsides,
Once you actually try and implement these solutions, you'll see that
:The fact that I still would need to take full backups once in a while =20
:if I do this and Linux users do not have to because the CDP software =20
:on Linux does not need to do this. The software expires the old data =20
:automatically and you only need a full backup at first run only.
You
Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What really annoys me with this thread is that nobody has provided
any information at all that would allow someone to understand what
needs to be done and estimate how hard it would be.
Well... I
Bakul Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What really annoys me with this thread is that nobody has provided any
information at all that would allow someone to understand what needs to
be done and estimate how hard it would be.
From their
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What really annoys me with this thread is that nobody has provided
any information at all that would allow someone to understand what
needs to be done and estimate
one answer... www.bakbone.com
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What really annoys me with this thread is that nobody has
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What really annoys me with this thread is that nobody has provided
any information at all that would allow someone to
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
FWIW, the HAMMER file system _does_ support replication to
remote targets (thus separate). Unfortunately they call
this feature mirroring, which is misleading at best.
It's really rather a
Shaun Amott wrote:
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:31:58AM +0300, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
so FreeBSD could be supported also. As you can imagine, it is not only
important that data can be restored when a box hardware failure etc. it is
also important that data can be restored if deleted by accidents
Outback Dingo wrote:
one answer... www.bakbone.com http://www.bakbone.com
Unfortunately if you check their compatibility matrix you can see that I
have to use Linux to be able to do CDP :)
http://www.bakbone.com/docs/NetVault_Backup_Supported_Platforms_October_2008.pdf
or am I reading this
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
What
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
Thanks again for pointing out snapshots. It is more or less suitable :)
I'll just warn you that if you're planning to use snapshots for your own
purposes, to first do an extensive stress test on a non-critical machine
with backed up data. I've had
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:18:47 +0200 =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
Bakul Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What really annoys me with this thread is that nobody has provided any
information at all that would
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
Wow... thanks for the flame, but there's no reason that the device that
is receiving the hammer replication couldn't be on the other side of the
globe and there's no reason it couldn't be
Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It would perhaps be too much to ask but can you drop a line to them
and ask or is it ok if I give your email address to them and they can
contact you?
Feel free.
DES
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Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wouldnt that device need to keep the whole filesystem? Like if you
have 10 machines with 10x 1GB drives (lets say each used about 250gb),
you will need 10TB disk space in the backup server?
Yes and no and yes... It stores *changes* to the file systems,
Bakul Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bakul Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What really annoys me with this thread is that nobody has
provided any information at all that would allow someone to
Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
FWIW, the HAMMER file system _does_ support replication [...]
No, actually, I didn't write that. You need to learn to quote properly.
DES
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Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:19:48 +0200 =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
Bakul Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bakul Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What
Sorry about that. Didn't mean to continue this discussion in
-hackers but forgot to remove the cc list.
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Quoting Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
Wow... thanks for the flame, but there's no reason that the device that
is receiving the hammer replication couldn't be on the other side of the
Quoting Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
If you take a step back and go through and read the entire thread again
from the start, though, I think you will understand my frustration.
Evren asked a question which everybody else is doing their best not to
answer in as many words as possible;
Hi, re Continuous Data Protection (an enterprise market
niche, today), a recent paper that provides some background
and has basic references might be:
http://www.usenix.org/event/fast08/tech/verma.html
SWEEPER: An Efficient Disaster Recovery Point Identification Mechanism,
FAST '08, Akshat
Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They actually do not think that it is an easy job to adapt their
software to support FreeBSD even. See this post:
http://forum.r1soft.com/showpost.php?p=4224postcount=3
All this shows is that they don't know anything about FreeBSD at all
(plus they need
I think here might be a misunderstanding. I was talking about a reliable backup
solution whereas you guys are all the time talking about mirroring and
replication type solutions. Since you cant be thinking that mirroring and
replication can replace backup, there must be a misunderstanding?
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:31:58AM +0300, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
so FreeBSD could be supported also. As you can imagine, it is not only
important that data can be restored when a box hardware failure etc. it is
also important that data can be restored if deleted by accidents etc. While
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:13 AM, Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
From my reading, Hammer is much more than a filesystem, but then you
probably havn't read about it yet. By my reading, Hammer hits all their
feature points and does it better _because_ it's a
I wanted to respond to DES' email separately --- because he's right.
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:56 AM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They actually do not think that it is an easy job to adapt their
software to support FreeBSD even. See
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:56:09 +0200 =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They actually do not think that it is an easy job to adapt their
software to support FreeBSD even. See this post:
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Shaun Amott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:31:58AM +0300, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
so FreeBSD could be supported also. As you can imagine, it is not only
important that data can be restored when a box hardware failure etc. it
is
also
Hello,
As far as I can see, there is no continuous backup solution for FreeBSD at the
moment. I talked with R1Soft and they seem to not be able to support FreeBSD and
need help.
Does anybody have free time and skills to give a hand? Please see:
http://forum.r1soft.com/showpost.php?p
Hi,
On 6 Oct 2008, at 11:00, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
As far as I can see, there is no continuous backup solution for
FreeBSD at the moment. I talked with R1Soft and they seem to not be
able to support FreeBSD and need help.
Does anybody have free time and skills to give a hand? Please see
Bob Bishop wrote:
Does anybody have free time and skills to give a hand? Please see:
http://forum.r1soft.com/showpost.php?p=3414postcount=9
Should be possible to do this with a geom(4) class?
I am not saying it is impossible. They just need somebody to put them to
right track I guess. I
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob Bishop wrote:
Does anybody have free time and skills to give a hand? Please see:
http://forum.r1soft.com/showpost.php?p=3414postcount=9
Should be possible to do this with a geom(4) class?
I am not saying it is
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[regarding r1soft.com, ...]
I am not saying it is impossible. They just need somebody to put them to
right track I guess. I personally cant do that. It would be nice if somebody
who has knowledge in this area contacts
On 12/23/-58 20:59, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
Hello,
As far as I can see, there is no continuous backup solution for FreeBSD
at the moment. I talked with R1Soft and they seem to not be able to
support FreeBSD and need help.
Does anybody have free time and skills to give a hand? Please see
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:09:06 +0300 Vlad GALU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob Bishop wrote:
Does anybody have free time and skills to give a hand? Please see:
http://forum.r1soft.com/showpost.php?p=3414postcount=9
Vlad GALU wrote:
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob Bishop wrote:
Does anybody have free time and skills to give a hand? Please see:
http://forum.r1soft.com/showpost.php?p=3414postcount=9
Should be possible to do this with a geom(4) class?
I am not
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[regarding r1soft.com http://r1soft.com, ...]
I am not saying it is impossible. They just need somebody to put
them to right track I guess. I personally cant
Bakul Shah writes:
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:09:06 +0300 Vlad GALU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob Bishop wrote:
Does anybody have free time and skills to give a hand? Please see:
Sean Bruno wrote:
Evren Yurtesen wrote:
Hello,
As far as I can see, there is no continuous backup solution for
FreeBSD at the moment. I talked with R1Soft and they seem to not be
able to support FreeBSD and need help.
Does anybody have free time and skills to give a hand? Please see:
http
Volker wrote:
On 12/23/-58 20:59, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
Hello,
As far as I can see, there is no continuous backup solution for FreeBSD
at the moment. I talked with R1Soft and they seem to not be able to
support FreeBSD and need help.
Does anybody have free time and skills to give a hand
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[regarding r1soft.com http://r1soft.com, ...]
I am not saying it is impossible. They just
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:24:32 -0700
George Hartzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There were a couple of threads about using kqueue or other FreeBSD
tools to build something like Mac OS X's Time Machine. R1soft's
software sounds very similar.
Time machine doesn't do continuous backups, it does them
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
Actually, right back at you. You didn't fathom the meaning in my
statement. While your post was vague, I read the company's website to
I am sorry what was vague since I wrote 'continuous backup' in my post? The
whole idea is such a basic idea that if you put this
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
Actually, right back at you. You didn't fathom the meaning in my
statement. While your post was vague, I read the company's website to
While Hammer might be doing a similar job, it is a
Mike Meyer writes:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:24:32 -0700
George Hartzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There were a couple of threads about using kqueue or other FreeBSD
tools to build something like Mac OS X's Time Machine. R1soft's
software sounds very similar.
Time machine doesn't do
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